Vaper's Revenge

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skoony

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If you don't understand what I was trying to say then I can't help you with that. Simply put don't vape where you can't smoke. Dont wear sweaty gym clothes to a wedding it just wouldnt be proper. Respect and we shall be respected. vaping where smoking isn't allowed...even the sneaking here and there is only furthering big tobacco and pharma's cause.

treating vaping as smoking is what furthers BT/BP and the ANTZ
agenda. the non-smoking public wasn't even aware and in all
probability wouldn't care about vaping if it wasn't for the uproar
the ANTZ and the government started. Aroma therapy is proven
to be potentially more harmful than vaping because of some
of the oils they use.
:2c:
regards
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treating vaping as smoking is what furthers BT/BP and the ANTZ
agenda. the non-smoking public wasn't even aware and in all
probability wouldn't care about vaping if it wasn't for the uproar
the ANTZ and the government started. Aroma therapy is proven
to be potentially more harmful than vaping because of some
of the oils they use.
:2c:
regards
mike

Proven?
Really?
C'mon .... Let's not go down that road.
You and I both know that's not accurate.
It behooves us to remain above such statements, and stick to facts.
 

jchisholm

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Even on the Forum :grr:

Please remember most people that find ECF have just discovered this amazing thing called vaping. They had no clue about all the legislation that we have been fighting for years. They have also not seen the many threads that have discussed open vaping and stealth vaping.

Manners people, manners.

Become a CASAA Member

A good place to start, in that link above, if you want to join the fight :)

While we're on the subject of discrimination..
There are people from all around the world who want to join the fight but guess what, casaa will only accept American applications.
Other's don't seem to count. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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And there are people from all around the world who want to join the fight but guess what, casaa will only accept American applications.
Other's don't seem to count. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not sure. I do know that they send calls to action to members that are registered in the state the call to action is targeted. Let me check re: if you are from another country.
 

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I'm not sure. I do know that they send calls to action to members that are registered in the state the call to action is targeted. Let me check re: if you are from another country.

It has just been pointed out that (unbeknownst to me,) casaa is actually "staffed" by only 9 individuals, so given their limited time and resources, kudos to them.
 

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It has just been pointed out that (unbeknownst to me,) casaa is actually "staffed" by only 9 individuals, so given their limited time and resources, kudos to them.

Interesting.
I didn't know that.
Sounds like CASAA should ask for some assistance from members who have experience in fundraising and effective political activism.
Some of us have experience in those areas and have seen success from well organized efforts.
 

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No I definitely don't think vaping should be treated like smoking is. While I don't want the foggy rooms we had when smoking was the norm, if people are sensible about how they vape in public most should be able to vape wherever they want. I won't debate about whether people SHOULD vape wherever they want as I think we're all grown ups here & can make our own decisions.

But blowing big clouds at the grocery store isn't necessary.
 

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It has just been pointed out that (unbeknownst to me,) casaa is actually "staffed" by only 9 individuals, so given their limited time and resources, kudos to them.

I have a work around for those out of the United States: We have a workaround solution for this. When filling out the information for membership, use "American Somoa" for the state, and instead of putting a ZIP code (which non-US folks won't have), use their country code

So per Alex--

Use "country code" for ZIP (i.e. UK = 00044, CAN - just use your phone # prefix: QC = 00514, etc.)

Interesting.
I didn't know that.
Sounds like CASAA should ask for some assistance from members who have experience in fundraising and effective political activism.
Some of us have experience in those areas and have seen success from well organized efforts.

They have repeatedly asked for help from the general membership. Some are helping others...not so much. If you or anyone you know has any experience in those areas, please, please, please offer your services to CASAA!
 
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If you don't understand what I was trying to say then I can't help you with that. Simply put don't vape where you can't smoke. Dont wear sweaty gym clothes to a wedding it just wouldnt be proper. Respect and we shall be respected. Vaping where smoking isn't allowed...even the sneaking here and there is only furthering big tobacco and pharma's cause.

Vaping is simply NOT analogous to "sweaty gym socks" -- THAT is why it makes no sense. I refuse to pretend I'm a smoker, when I'm not. I refuse to pretend that my vape smells as bad or is as potentially dangerous as 2nd hand smoke. I'm not going to LIE, which is what it is when someone says vaping is as bad as smoking, and I'm not going to cater to that lie either.

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I have a work around for those out of the United States: We have a workaround solution for this. When filling out the information for membership, use "American Somoa" for the state, and instead of putting a ZIP code (which non-US folks won't have), use their country code

So per Alex--

Use "country code" for ZIP (i.e. UK = 00044, CAN - just use your phone # prefix: QC = 00514, etc.)



They have repeatedly asked for help from the general membership. Some are helping others...not so much. If you or anyone you know has any experience in those areas, please, please, please offer your services to CASAA!


Actually, the few times I've given advice to open a dialogue, I was slammed with excuses about how they had no time or resources.
You can't get support without a very clear plan of action.
Due to ECFs very strict terms of use, I can't elaborate on experience, but some of us have been involved in activism that has led to a new way of thinking for most of the nation, as well as some serious changes in local and state legislation.
Those victories locally led to ongoing changes in national policy.

To be blunt, this isn't something new. You don't need to re invent the wheel. Use proven tactics and strategies.
 

jchisholm

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I have a work around for those out of the United States: We have a workaround solution for this. When filling out the information for membership, use "American Somoa" for the state, and instead of putting a ZIP code (which non-US folks won't have), use their country code

So per Alex--

Use "country code" for ZIP (i.e. UK = 00044, CAN - just use your phone # prefix: QC = 00514, etc.)



They have repeatedly asked for help from the general membership. Some are helping others...not so much. If you or anyone you know has any experience in those areas, please, please, please offer your services to CASAA!

Done, thanks Robino.
I still have 3 feet of snow in my yard, I'll take American Samoa any day!
 

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IMO, it's about courtesy.

Even though I like to blow clouds so thick that I can't see the other side of the room, and even though there is no evidence that 2nd hand vapor is hazardous (although we all should be able to realize that what we exhale probably isn't just water vapor as the 'blu e-cig' commercials state. It often has an odor similar to the flavoring used, may cause a film on glass and probably has some unabsorbed nicotine in it), someone who neither smokes nor vapes probably doesn't want to be in an area with a fog of vapor, smoke or any airborne contaminants. That person has made a choice, for whatever reason, not to inhale anything like vape or smoke and who am I to subject them to such without their consent.

Yes, we as vapers (vapors ?) have rights but one person's rights end where another's begin.
:2c:
/rant
 

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Skoony, that is almost tin foil hat time, with that post. But it is scary how accurate the scenario works out that way. :shock: :ohmy:

RE: Post #59

Should have quoted it :facepalm:

if you lived in Minnesota it would make prefect sense.
we have had a long history of tolerance here.
30 years ago Saint Paul had more bars per capita
than any where else than maybe Minneapolis.
on the busier streets it was not uncommon
for there to be a bar every two to three blocks.
sometimes more. back in the day if one ran
for office they would canvas the neighborhoods.
they made darn sure they hit all the bars as this was
where a large part of a neighborhoods social intermingling
took place. back then Saint Paul was a blue collar town.
starting in the 60's into the 70's politicos primarily from
out east started moving in because it was near impossible
for them to rise in rank in the entrenched and full political
hierarchy's back east. this is reflected in the fact that in the cities
there are more representatives that were born out of state than were
born here. they brought along there brand of east coast politics.
they understood how things worked here and set about getting
around them. the first bans were directed at venues where the
public was most likely to congregate and intermingle. that fact
along with the strengthening of the liquor regulations eliminated
80% of all the neighborhood bars and with it a powerful influence
on local politics. i know this is hard to understand especially
in parts of the country that still have dry counties or parishes.
that's why there is a big push to silence the pulpit.
:2c:
regards
mike
 

Robino1

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I think I know what you mean. A couple of years ago I had an idea (along with help from another individual to push me along LOL). I presented the idea to CASAA.....I really didn't get much help, they left me to figure out what I needed to do and to just do it. I created a thread asking for help and any input on my idea. It was a quite the experience and there was quite a bit of turnout for this little project I had going on.

The point was, they didn't have the time to help or even do the project. If there is something that you feel needs to be done, just do it. We can't expect them to take the idea and make the time to explore it further. What I got out of the whole thing was: If it was detrimental, they would have let me know. Since it wasn't detrimental to the cause(it really was a great idea BTW. Too bad the media didn't think so) they would have said something.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...y-sept-19th-part-history-what-you-can-do.html

I did this long before I was a moderator here.
 

Robino1

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if you lived in Minnesota it would make prefect sense.
we have had a long history of tolerance here.
30 years ago Saint Paul had more bars per capita
than any where else than maybe Minneapolis.
on the busier streets it was not uncommon
for there to be a bar every two to three blocks.
sometimes more. back in the day if one ran
for office they would canvas the neighborhoods.
they made darn sure they hit all the bars as this was
where a large part of a neighborhoods social intermingling
took place. back then Saint Paul was a blue collar town.
starting in the 60's into the 70's politicos primarily from
out east started moving in because it was near impossible
for them to rise in rank in the entrenched and full political
hierarchy's back east. this is reflected in the fact that in the cities
there are more representatives that were born out of state than were
born here. they brought along there brand of east coast politics.
they understood how things worked here and set about getting
around them. the first bans were directed at venues where the
public was most likely to congregate and intermingle. that fact
along with the strengthening of the liquor regulations eliminated
80% of all the neighborhood bars and with it a powerful influence
on local politics. i know this is hard to understand especially
in parts of the country that still have dry counties or parishes.
that's why there is a big push to silence the pulpit.
:2c:
regards
mike

I cannot 'Like' this post :(
 
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