It's not about courtesy, respect or anything like that. If it were, you would see 20% of the space in airports reserved for smokers use. Not a phone booth. It's all about oppression of smokers. Just because they can and, on top of it, they take an immense pleasure in doing it. Not to mention the money.
Vaper's Revenge
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I kinda get his point here in TX lots of Californians are migrating cause CA is mismanaged high taxes not much job growth over regulated. Thats all good and dandy but they come here expecting things to be like CA The reason Tx is thriving is because its not like CA.
I guess If you go someplace to get away from something it might be a good idea to not bring the problems that made you leave with you. At least I thing thats what skonny meant;-)
I vape everywhere.
I do respect private enterprises businesses though. If they announce before you enter their domain that they don't explicitly allow vaping, then I'll respect their wishes.
I am also civil, because we all know that vaping is pretty darn safe to the user and does not cause any second anything, I still won't allow my vape to become obnoxious to the point of making the air around me uncomfortable to breath or vape a real smelly flavor. Some flavors can really stench up a place.
If I'm in a public place under gov't jurisdiction, I'll have to be told not to vape by law enforcement, and if I have to go to court to find out why is that there is a law against something that doesn't hurt anybody, then so be it.
I wish all vapers would start to stand on their own two feet about laws that are not with merit.
Too many vapors feel, they should obey, feel like and act like smokers in thought, be drones and except huge taxation from our government.
I do respect private enterprises businesses though. If they announce before you enter their domain that they don't explicitly allow vaping, then I'll respect their wishes.
I am also civil, because we all know that vaping is pretty darn safe to the user and does not cause any second anything, I still won't allow my vape to become obnoxious to the point of making the air around me uncomfortable to breath or vape a real smelly flavor. Some flavors can really stench up a place.
If I'm in a public place under gov't jurisdiction, I'll have to be told not to vape by law enforcement, and if I have to go to court to find out why is that there is a law against something that doesn't hurt anybody, then so be it.
I wish all vapers would start to stand on their own two feet about laws that are not with merit.
Too many vapors feel, they should obey, feel like and act like smokers in thought, be drones and except huge taxation from our government.
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Scent is subjective too... just like taste. Ain't no lie in that.
We are however going to need nonsmoker's on our side...we are going to need the heart and lung assoc., the american cancer society etc on our side if we are going to stop the over regulation or flat out outlawing of our vapes.
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I wish all vapers would start to stand on their own two feet about laws that are not with merit.
Too many vapors feel, they should obey, feel like and act like smokers in thought, be drones and except huge taxation from our government.
Absolutely right. I am no longer a smoker, and I refuse to be strait-jacketed as if I am one. When you give in to unreasonable demands, it makes those responsible for the unreasonable demands feel vindicated, as if they're doing something right. They're not, and I will not be subject to irrational, unreasonable, and just plain STUPID laws and regulations. I *don't* vape "everywhere" -- got better things to do than get into some futile argument with the terminally self-righteous, and I try to never engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed. But when the terminally self-righteous and perpetually witless aren't looking, they simply aren't going to know what I do, or when or where I do it, and it's none of their business.
Andria
Lots of interesting posts so far. I didn't expect the topic to get this many replies.
I agree with most of the posts who say that somebody vaping shouldn't go out of their way to be obnoxious. I guess that that's just common sense and courtesy.
But I don't agree with some of the posts who say that I should treat my vaping like smoking, because they're not the same thing at all, and I would merely be giving fuel to the anti-vaping movement if I were to equate the two as being equal.
I agree with most of the posts who say that somebody vaping shouldn't go out of their way to be obnoxious. I guess that that's just common sense and courtesy.
But I don't agree with some of the posts who say that I should treat my vaping like smoking, because they're not the same thing at all, and I would merely be giving fuel to the anti-vaping movement if I were to equate the two as being equal.
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SOOOOOO true. How did the Cali-immigrants not notice and obey the 'Don't mess with Texas."?
Fixed that for ya...
I'm gonna steal the 'perpetually witless' description of someone for use from time to time - that was great!
it was the road traveled. Its exactly how this all unfolded.there wasnt apeep until they realized vaping was going to make an impact.its only been in the last two the public in general has become aware of the issues.
"Why should vaping be any different [from tobacco cigarettes]"? Well, simply put, because they are not the same.
But how do you expect to properly "educate" the public about vaping, if all you do is treat vaping just like smoking - which is NOT?
Is it not mis-educating/mis-informing the public about what vaping really is?
How is that attitude any different from any piece of "news" stating "Be aware!! Vaping is just a new form of tobacco, and just as deadliest".
If people see vapers treating vaping just the way they heard it "should" be treated, "on the news", aren't you just implicitly confirming the propaganda?
To treat vaping "just like tobacco", you would need, for example, to refrain from vaping OUTSIDE, in some areas. Do you believe there's a good health reason to be forbidden from vaping outside - or even smoking?
"I will refrain from vaping in a park, so that legislators will not regulate vaping outside and forbid it"?
If people already refrain from doing things, in order to "prevent" regulations forbidding those same things in the future, what difference does it make if it is forbidden or not?
Thank you for this very clear logic -- which apparently totally escapes all these saying we shouldn't vape where we can't smoke -- if that was true, I'd never have started vaping at all! Because I started JUST SO I could vape IN MY OWN HOME! -- where I didn't smoke!
Andria
I really think vaping just makes it easier for me to do what I want and not have to face disapproval..
I vape whenever I want ― it's just so easy.
I vape whenever I want ― it's just so easy.
And I think the first problem with the two being equated is people are still calling them e-cigarettes. That's not what I use. That's Big Tobacco's product which looks exactly like a cigarette and is specifically designed for dual use. I feel even ECF should change their name because calling it an e-cigarette is doing absolutely nothing good for the cause.
While there are places I will not vape such as in a store or family restaurant, there are places I will such as in a bar. The bars in my community are very welcoming of it because the smoking ban a few years back crippled many of their businesses.
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I would also like to add that contrary to what many think, not many establishments seem to care. A few weeks ago I walked into Lowes and I had gottan my Atlantis and CF mod recently. Wanting to use it because of the new factor, I asked the Lowes employee as I walked in if it would be ok if I used it. He looked at me almost confused that I asked and said that he didn't see an issue at all. I enjoyed my vape while I browsed the store looking for my items and out of courtesy I didn't take my big lung hits like I do at home or in the street. No issues at all, but normally I just wait until I'm out of the store so I can take my lung hits.
Because it's something completely different. The only similarity is a single ingredient.
I think my post came off the wrong way. I am not equating vaping with smoking. I am talking about being courteous and respectful to people who do not yet understand what vaping is. I could refrain from smoking if I had to and I can do the same with vaping. I don't own the environment around me so I respect the people around me. This is about respect. How can we as vapers earn the respect of others if we don't show respect for them. Vaping anywhere to educate others is what will fuel the negative propaganda.
As I scroll through this thread, I've noticed a large number of "deleted" posts. It appears as though folks are pretty passionate about vaping. My take on the whole thing is maintaining a low profile while vaping may help keep BIG BROTHER out of our arena. Flaunting vapor around folks could "T" them off enough to push anything against us. In answer to the original post...ya I have stealth vaped...but have never been caught.
Because vaping IS NOT THE SAME as smoking.
There are NO CARCINOGENS. In fact, many studies have shown that the exhaled "vapor" is virtually identical to the air around you.
Much of the non-vaping public already think vaping = smoking. If vapers treat it as such, this misconception will never die, and will help to force regulations on vapers that treat us the same as smokers (including the astronomical taxes).
I'm not talking about blowing clouds in restaurants - that's rude. But there are ways to politely push the envelope and get vaping in front of non-vapers so they can see how fast it dissipates, and notice how pleasant (or absent) the smell is. It helps to open a dialogue so we can refute the lies and misconceptions. It helps to "normalize" vaping.
The smell may be nice for us but it is still something that doesn't smell like air. It doesn't look like air. I believe we as vapers should have our rights but it doesn't remove the fact that non vapers have rights too.
Can we give Katt a round of applause? <insert clapping here>
If we continue to treat vaping like smoking, you better believe that the anti crowd will point out the fact that even we vapers feel they are the same thing.
It isn't regular people that are fighting to get these banned. Hell, half the people in the legislative seats that are in process of regulating these Have Never Even Seen these. They have No Clue what these are or what they are about. Hiding out of sight is not going to change public perception. The fight to ban these are coming from the Health three letter organizations, the states because of loss of tax and MSA payment $$$, the tobacco industry. All of these because they are no longer getting $$,$$$,$$$.$$ from us ex smokers.
Think about why....
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