By Louis Neipris, M.D., Staff Writer, myOptumHealth
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Vaping' and e-cigarettes: A new nicotine habit
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By Louis Neipris, M.D., Staff Writer, myOptumHealth
FULL ARTICLE: Vaping' and e-cigarettes: A new nicotine habit - KIVITV.COM | Boise. News, Breaking News, Weather and Sports-
They make it sound so bad. I can't believe that the're saying there are dangerous chemicals in them. I wonder what they would say if asked about real cigarettes, because they are not dangerous at all. Hmmm.....
"it's water vapor"
Didn't even make it to the second line, they are already wrong. I stopped there.
The media sucks, they can't get anything right. Whatever happened to checking facts?
Didn't even make it to the second line, they are already wrong. I stopped there.
The media sucks, they can't get anything right. Whatever happened to checking facts?
Ugh, more bad news... *sigh*
I believe it was not mentioned because the writers were not aware. This is obviously a rehash of common "knowledge" that we've seen over and over. It's not "investigative" reporting; they don't appear to have done any research. All they know is what they were told.
I believe it was not mentioned because the writers were not aware. This is obviously a rehash of common "knowledge" that we've seen over and over. It's not "investigative" reporting; they don't appear to have done any research. All they know is what they were told.
Check out the advertizement which accompanies this article on the source site:
About Vaping and e-Cigarettes - myOptumHealth
Of course it's for Chantix - the killer drug from Pfizer that the FDA approves of and wants us all to take or go back to killer analogs.
About Vaping and e-Cigarettes - myOptumHealth
Of course it's for Chantix - the killer drug from Pfizer that the FDA approves of and wants us all to take or go back to killer analogs.
I love the way they tout the fact that they aren't FDA approved. Go to any Vitamin store and most of the things you find there say they aren't FDA approved, but no one is messing with them. Considering that there are tons of drugs the FDA has approved of that caused people major problems, I'm not sure they are a reliable source of approval anyway.
That says diethylene glycol....are they mistaking this for the propylene glycol that the eliquids are made of? Or confusing it for ethylene glycol...which is what is in most antifreeze...? Was diethylene glycol found in some carts?
Diethylene glycol was found in one out of the 18 carts tested by the FDA (a Smoking Everywhere cart); however, the FDA failed to disclose the amount of DEG they found. As in any other chemical, DEG is safe in trace amounts.
Another theory is that the cart was contaminated (which sprouts many more theories about how).
Ah...so. DG wasn't what the nicotine was suspended in then. Accidental freak occurrance, or shady Big Tobacco sneaking in some adulturants...?
From other forums, I know how annoying answering the same questions can get. You guys seem to handle it pretty well.
37 and I've got 30+ pack years under my belt. I'm gonna die just like pops and gramps did if I don't get off these things...but I don't want to do it any quicker, if at all possible.
Doctor? What is she an optometrist? You'd think she'd do a little research before putting something into print.
--Prof Daffy
1% of diethylene glycol was found in one cart. What amazes me is that they looked to find the most dangerous thing it was in so people would think we were vaping antifreeze. E-liquids also sometimes contain water, which can be found in car batteries! E-liquids are mostly propylene glycol which can be found in tooth paste!
Facts are facts. It's how you present them that makes a difference. Why not say in all by one it was proven that e-cigs contain no carcinogenic material. But the obvious question is why was there diethylene glycol in it at all? It's not necessary. There's no reason for it to be there. Is it simply a matter of quality control with one of the two companies being tested?
Another fact is that many e-liquids contain glycerin (most if it put there by it's users
) to produce a thicker vaper. It is not uncommon for e-liquids to contain glycerin (also in toothpaste). The most likely reason it was there was because they though they were adding glycerin. Diethylene glycol is also illegally used as counterfeit glycerin in some nations and sold internationally as a component of cough syrup, toothpaste, and mouthwash. It has in the past been used as an adulterant by winemakers to create a "sweet" wine.
But lets face facts. When you purchase any food substance that you put in your body, you take the risk that is it not 100% as advertised. Unless your manufacturing it yourself you never know. And they you have to be weary of where you get the components. Of what is in the ground it was grown in. Or how clean the preparation area was.
If you want a 100% sure thing go back to cigarettes. If anyone said, hey we found 40 carcinogens and deadly chemicals including carbon monoxide, you'd say... DUH! If you could guarantee 100% that there was only ONE carcinogen in e-cigs it's still better than a cigarette.
The truth is... When e-liquid is prepared correctly it contains no carcinogens, no tar, to tobacco, and no carbon monoxide. It was proven by the FDA and let's not forget it. If anything it's an issue of quality control.
--Prof Daffy
Does the US media ever bother writing the truth? Or do sensationalist lies always take precidence?
I hate to split hairs, but i wanna get my facts straight. Was it 1%, or was it actually <1% ? Do you have a link?
According to the FDA report, DEG was found in one of the 18 carts at a level of 1%. DEG was the substance that was found in the toothpaste that forced a recall of all dollar store brands. It was found in this at levels of 3-4%. I could not locate anything that indicated what a "safe" level of DEG is.
It is thought that the DEG is used in foreign products to "cut" the PG to save costs, which might account for how a bit showed up in one of the ecig carts. It is not generally accepted as a normal component of nicotine liquid.
Finding it in our liquid does support the need for FDA regulation, but did they ban all forms of toothpaste because a few brands had DEG?
FDA report stated, "approximately 1%" in their narrative, but the data chart just indicated that it was present and didn't quantify it.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf
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Thank you for the link Territoo
The thing that really bothers me about these test results is that, upon looking at the table, for many substances they only confirmed the presence or lack thereof. I am convinced that they used instruments that were sensitive enough to detect the presence of anything at just about any level (trace or not); yet the amounts they found must have been so small that they could not quantify their actual amount with the equipment used, unlike the nicotine substances which were in large enough amounts that they could quantify.
Very interesting indeed...
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