Vaping and the immune system?

[pennysmalls]

I understand that cold symptoms (fever, coughing, sneezing, etc.) are the body's attempt to kill or expel the infectious agents. Now, either vaping is killing the viruses that caused me to get colds, or vaping is suppressing my immune system and thus preventing my body from attacking the viruses. If it's the latter, then I suppose my body must be full of multiple viruses that don't seem to be harming me at present but at some point may produce devastating consequences.

Oh god, I hadn't thought of it that way. Ugh.

 

[DC2]

Today is a Day that Can/Will have a Profound
Effect for a Very Long Time.

You said a mouthful right there.

The death of Justice Scalia will be a turning point in the history of this country.
There is no doubt about that.

 

[DC2]

CB in all fairness if the author had not aligned her premature results with the AAAS or evidently with the FDA your position would seem more valid to me. Not being the case, it's one more pilin' on as far as I can reasonably see it (so far). And that is the risk that is offensive to me. The politicalization of the science which is vital to us is also an attack on our we'll being as a community. That we should have to dig down to such levels of scrutiny. It makes our task as individuals of evaluating risk far more difficult. I remain as equally skeptical as to the advantages of vaping as for the manipulations of institution to denigrate or offset them. Have to, my life depends upon it.

Brilliant post.

 

[DC2]

The scientific community is having issues the last couple decades. There are articles, even from institutions like the NIH discussing the current state of scientific research. I can some if you like. In the rush to be the first to publish something, many researchers are side stepping the usual process, and the usual process is what makes science more than belief, and makes it actually applicable. One of the major problems today is irreproducability. One reason for including detailed methodology is so that another researcher can follow your method and achieve the same results, confirming your findings. Well, much of the research being performed has such sloppy methodology, or the populations are so constrained, that they cannot be reproduced.

And this is a fantastic summary of what is wrong with the world we currently live in.

Science in it's rightful form can solve problems, uncover truths, and point to new solutions.
Science, when perverted, and parroted by a purchased media, can lead to a demise of our species.

And who can direct science to the rightful place it should hold in public discourse?

Really, only the media can do that.
Or the powers that control said media.

And they're doing it all wrong, in a way that really goes beyond causing serious damage.
What the mainstream media is doing is "destructive" in any way you want to define the term.

 

[skoony]

@bigdancehawk @pennysmalls
Having a suppressed immune system allows bacterial and viral infections
to take hold and you simply would not get better.
Mike

 

[pennysmalls]

I know you're correct Mike. That's why immune suppressant therapy can be risky for patients, they're at higher risk for infections but that idea...that freaked me out lol! Bad!

 

[Lessifer]

I'm sure it has been Posted before.

But could someone Post a Link to the Actual Study?

As far as anyone can tell, there is no actual study. I have looked a little and I can't find any slides or notes from the presentation at the conference, I may look harder but you are welcome to as well. There is no published study, yet.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Pretty much everything is all part of some Big Lie.
It's the world we live in today.

Actually, it's probably the world everyone has always lived in.

It took my around 45 years on this planet to start figuring this out.
And I'm a very smart guy, so I have no idea why it took so long.

Oh, yeah, I remember now.
I blame the mainstream media more than anything else.


EDIT: OMG this thread is six pages long?
EDIT: I probably shouldn't post here again until I get caught up.

Hi DC2...haven't see you for a while. Welcome to this discussion.

 

[r77r7r]

Several people on my autoimmune forum have benefited from vaping and patch use. Only reason I still use Nicotine now.

 

[zoiDman]

As far as anyone can tell, there is no actual study. I have looked a little and I can't find any slides or notes from the presentation at the conference, I may look harder but you are welcome to as well. There is no published study, yet.

So all of this Discussion is Based on ???

Because I keep hearing "the Study" says this or "the Study" might imply that or "the Study is wrong" based on _____.

And there Is No Study?

LOL

 

[Lessifer]

So all of this Discussion is Based on ???

Because I keep hearing "the Study" says this or "the Study" might imply that or "the Study is wrong" based on _____.

And there Is No Study?

LOL

The article refers to a study, and the conference abstract refers to a study, however, nothing anywhere refers to a PUBLISHED study. So, we're being presented with conclusions, masked as points of interest, with only as much info on the methodologies as the authors care to share at this time. In fact, there are three separate "studies" by three teams of researchers, all covering different things relating to e-cigs and OTHER EMERGING TOBACCO PRODUCTS.

This is why I said it's too early to be making any decisions, or even really to share any of this, because as it has been presented it is impossible to decipher who found what, from where, or how they found it.

 

[pennysmalls]

So all of this Discussion is Based on ???

Because I keep hearing "the Study" says this or "the Study" might imply that or "the Study is wrong" based on _____.

And there Is No Study?

LOL

From what I've gathered this is a future study and what was "revealed" in the article were hints at what they will be looking at.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

The article refers to a study, and the conference abstract refers to a study, however, nothing anywhere refers to a PUBLISHED study. So, we're being presented with conclusions, masked as points of interest, with only as much info on the methodologies as the authors care to share at this time. In fact, there are three separate "studies" by three teams of researchers, all covering different things relating to e-cigs and OTHER EMERGING TOBACCO PRODUCTS.

This is why I said it's too early to be making any decisions, or even really to share any of this, because as it has been presented it is impossible to decipher who found what, from where, or how they found it.

For me, the apparent preliminary findings continue to stand as plausible.

 

[Lessifer]

For me, the apparent preliminary findings continue to stand as plausible.

I agree that there may be some effect on the immune system from nicotine, vg, pg, and/or flavorings. What that effect might be, or what they might mean, I don't know and I don't feel that they are telling us enough here to determine that. In fact, they are telling us that they don't know either.

If I'm misinterpreting something, please, let me know.

 

[skoony]

For me, the apparent preliminary findings continue to stand as plausible.

I do not have a problem with the study and or studies findings as they are
totally plausible.
My problem is with the interpretation of the findings by the authors especially
the mention of possible autoimmune disease when the results clearly pointed
in another direction even though there hasn't been any anecdotal evidence of
increased infection rates in vapers.
Regards
Mike

 

[pennysmalls]

For me, the apparent preliminary findings continue to stand as plausible.

Just out of curiosity, what preliminary findings are you referencing?

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Just out of curiosity, what preliminary findings are you referencing?

Referencing the Ars Technica write up, the terminology "initial results" may be more appropriate than "preliminary findings."

 

[pennysmalls]

Referencing the Ars Technica write up, the terminology "initial results" may be more appropriate than "preliminary findings."

I wasn't sure what you were stating was plausible. Was is it the concern for possible infections?

 

[zoiDman]

...

This is why I said it's too early to be making any decisions, or even really to share any of this, because as it has been presented it is impossible to decipher who found what, from where, or how they found it.

Couldn't agree with you More Lessifer.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I do not have a problem with the study and or studies findings as they are
totally plausible.
My problem is with the interpretation of the findings by the authors especially
the mention of possible autoimmune disease when the results clearly pointed
in another direction even though there hasn't been any anecdotal evidence of
increased infection rates in vapers.
Regards
Mike

I suspect in the context of AAAS symposia forward looking thought is expected to be mentioned. I don't know enough about genetics and the immune system to evaluate the researchers' suggestion of compromised immune responses.