Vaping around my 2 year old
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I'd also like to add that it' s ok to say vaping around your child may incourage them to start, which I actually disagree with, my parents never smoked and I was smoking at the age of 12 .. I have 5 child and I'm far more worried about what they are picking up at school than in their loving home. There are far more things to worry about than a bit of vaper with whatever small nic content is in the air ect ect.
Your basically saying that passive vaping is dangerous, not matter how you want to dress it up, we have enough of a fight on our hands without fellow vapers agreeing..
Your basically saying that passive vaping is dangerous, not matter how you want to dress it up, we have enough of a fight on our hands without fellow vapers agreeing..
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Inhaling sand occurs in nature too but I doubt that any rational person would constantly and intentionally inhale large volumes of sand. This is an indicator that most people have enough common sense not to do such a thing. If you did it would kill you. Take a look at what happened to people in the days of the dust bowl. They would more than likely perceive me as a lunatic if I was living back then and told them to go ahead and breath in the dust because dust is natural and that the act of inhaling it was natural. It all boils down to using common sense which may not be so "common".
Yes it is... To me, even one single person dying a self inflicted death is a disaster. But, I have empathy for other people, and so yes, when scores of people die from a self inflicted act, I view it as a disaster. At the very least, it is a tragedy.
Yes, it is natural not to breath under water and this is my entire point. Common sense should cause people to know this fact. Same with vaping, or putting anything else into your body where common sense raises a red flag. You assume that vaping is natural and I think you are wrong.
Vaping is not "clearly" natural or anything else. Where are the facts, and evidence for that statement so that it can become "clear" to me? Sure, people breath in stream while cooking, breath in water in humid locations, etc.. but no where to my knowledge is there PG, VG, flavorings and nicotine all wrapped into one unit that is found in nature and inhaled, not to mention being inhaled for long periods of time. Once again, common sense throws up the red flag of caution. Breathing sand, lint, and other foreign particles is natural too but it becomes unnatural and a liability that flies in the face of common sense when intentionally consumed in unnatural ways or in large volumes.
As stated above, it is natural for foreign substances in SMALL amounts. But, to intentionally subject the lungs too large amounts and for long periods of time is not found in nature.
I just provided a "rational" viewpoint ..... One of the components of common sense is rationality, which many people do not posses. Common sense eludes many people and instead they try to theorize away the things and events that are staring them directly in the face.
You are splitting hairs. The only relevant fact is that vaping is safer than smoking. Those are the choices for most ex-smokers -- vape or smoke. For most of us "not vaping" is the same as "smoke".
Andria
Yes, and I agree whole heartedly... That's why I vape, is because I assume it is safer.......... But, I still stand by my post above and would rather lean towards common sense. Let me just be honest here... I started smoking when I was a young kid (10 years old) and I was immature, unwise and an idiot for starting..........However, even way back then I can remember the red flag of common sense trying to caution me against fooling around with it......... But, like many I refused to listen to the common sense that was tugging at me.
Even though I vape, I still place vaping and many other human activities into this same type of category.......... So, yes, I do things that I consider to be possibly dangerous to myself and I view that as one of my great flaws. But, at the same time, I am also fully aware of how important common sense is and that people should be very careful before they jump head long into certain activities.
Unless the headlong jump is to vape rather than smoke, I agree. I've had to learn caution, thinking before I act, due to so many bad choices when I was younger.
But when one is already a smoker, then that bell can't be unrung -- one can either keep smoking, or vape... or choose some other method of quitting that entails suffering for the quitter AND everyone around them. I had already experienced that last option several times and my husband had suffered with me, and until vaping came along, I was resigned to smoking till I died of it, because any other option was simply too unpleasant, for me AND my husband. Then vaping DID come along... so I'm not going to split hairs about "how dangerous" it is -- it's a LOT less dangerous than continuing to smoke, which is exactly what I'd be doing if I wasn't vaping. It's also less dangerous for my husband; he no longer has to suffer 2nd-hand smoke, and, doesn't have to endure someone who's gone completely out of their mind with withdrawal.
Is it really that hard a choice? Do we really need to have VAPERS telling others that vaping is dangerous? Don't we get enough of that misinformation from ANTZ, and from the gov't that wants to profit on the disease and death of smokers?
Andria
Nah Andria........ I think maybe you missed my prior posts or something. This discussion was about the op posting that inhalation of certain vaping ingredients was not a natural act... This was what my prior posts were concerned with and nothing else. No, I am, 100% with you in regards to vaping... Just like yourself, I tried for many years and by various methods to quit. Each time I tried I became a most irritable and intolerable person to be around, ask anyone who was around me lol ..... Using common sense, it would appear that vaping is indeed much better (and safer) than smoking and that's why I do it. Some of us were just deliberating over, not just vaping, but other human activities that may be debatable. I am mainly making the point that just because someone is using common sense, like the op was doing, that it doesn't make him wrong, nor do I see any reason that it should anger anyone, which is why I was responding to a person in my original post that seemed irritated about the op using common sense.
Yes, I would agree with all that. And I can even go along with not subjecting a child *with health problems* to a closed room filled with vapor -- or anyone else with health problems, if the vapor gives them a real problem -- but most homes have adequate ventilation, so the "closed room" aspect is somewhat of a non-issue, in most normal dwellings. I *might* even go along with not wishing to give the child "ideas" for their own behavior, though with a 2 yr old, that seems rather unlikely. The fact is, adults can and do do a lot of things that are either illegal (drinking) or unsavory/inadvisable (cursing, drinking coffee, vaping, and lots of others) for children -- but purposely NOT doing those things around kids just to keep from "giving them ideas" seems rather silly to me; the kids do know about those things, so it seems rather pointless, an exercise in self-denial, masochism, and martyrdom. Seems to me it would be far better for the child to grow up knowing that their parent was doing a thing in order NOT to do a far more dangerous thing, for the benefit of the parent themselves AND the child.
My own son has bronchitis, and when my indoor smoking was causing him such a problem that he was missing a LOT of school, I voluntarily took my smoking outdoors, and it stayed that way till he grew up, and even beyond, because I discovered how nice it was to have a home that didn't smell like an ashtray. But if vaping had come along while he was still a child, I would have been so relieved to have a way to get what I need without having to spend so much time loitering on the porch. My husband and COPD-afflicted mom can attest, there is no hazard in "2nd-hand vapor," and scientific tests have concluded the same. There may be TRACES of nicotine in exhaled vapor, but there are traces of nicotine in many very healthy foods, so that's a non-issue. Hospitals put PG into the ventilation system, for its antimicrobial properties -- obviously a non-issue!
To me it just looks like more of the brainwashing that the ANTZ have tried to indoctrinate in everyone; that if it even LOOKS like smoke, well it MUST be bad for you, for your kids, for every life form on the planet. It's just not true.
Andria
My own son has bronchitis, and when my indoor smoking was causing him such a problem that he was missing a LOT of school, I voluntarily took my smoking outdoors, and it stayed that way till he grew up, and even beyond, because I discovered how nice it was to have a home that didn't smell like an ashtray. But if vaping had come along while he was still a child, I would have been so relieved to have a way to get what I need without having to spend so much time loitering on the porch. My husband and COPD-afflicted mom can attest, there is no hazard in "2nd-hand vapor," and scientific tests have concluded the same. There may be TRACES of nicotine in exhaled vapor, but there are traces of nicotine in many very healthy foods, so that's a non-issue. Hospitals put PG into the ventilation system, for its antimicrobial properties -- obviously a non-issue!
To me it just looks like more of the brainwashing that the ANTZ have tried to indoctrinate in everyone; that if it even LOOKS like smoke, well it MUST be bad for you, for your kids, for every life form on the planet.
It's just not true.Andria
Yes, I would agree with all that.
To me it just looks like more of the brainwashing that the ANTZ have tried to indoctrinate in everyone; that if it even LOOKS like smoke, well it MUST be bad for you, for your kids, for every life form on the planet.
Andria
I totally agree with you.......... Many folks think that because it looks like smoke that it must be bad.......... Of course, and once again, if they used a bit of common sense then they would not assume such nonsense... Please, do not fall under the misconception that I am in anyway against vaping because I am not. I wouldn't be here if I was. Nor do I want to make it seem to new people that vaping is somehow bad. It's just that when I see people make statements that I either know better about or have different facts about, then I tend to want to jump in and deliberate on the subject a bit. But by no means am I even the slightest amount against vaping.
Also, I think it is very admirable that you went outside and smoked when your child was sick. It shows that you care and love the child. As for the rest of this thread about weather to vape around kids or not, I do not have any input in those regards. I do think differently than you in regards to cursing, smoking, and other things around the kids though but that is a subject for another time
I like reading your posts, so please do not think I am trying to persuade new people from vaping........ My gosh it may turn out that vaping has helped save my life and so I would never do such a thing.
I know vaping is natural. All ingredients are natural, all processes to make it occurred naturally. This is all observable. It is judgment to say it is not natural, and it is erroneous.
It never becomes unnatural. Everything that occurs on the planet is natural. Might seem semantical, but IMO it is clearly proper perspective.
Natural things can be, at times, dangerous and harmful, and hurtful, and create need for improvement, correction, healing. That too would be natural.
It is is found on this planet (anywhere) it is found in nature. To think of it as not natural, means to think of what humans do, and in essence what humans ARE, as unnatural. To me, that is a really huge leap in logic and doesn't help anything. You can still observe / understand it as all natural, and understand how improvement can work, or at times, is necessary.
I agree it is rational, but also know it is erroneous. It is not observable as unnatural. I'm giving you the short responses to an issue I've written at length about, contemplated on, and can go way further on this tangent than what's being discussed. In soundbite terms, I find it helps though to realize that unnatural is not observable. It takes a leap in logic / understanding to determine what humanity is doing is unnatural, and is really an exercise in erroneous judgment. But, I'd also say it is extremely normal to think about things as unnatural, even while it is a mistaken view. 10 times out of 9, I let it slide, but this thread and your response chose to emphasize the point of "natural," and I chose to chime in. Which is natural for me to do so.
This to me makes the most sense with regards to primary tangent of this thread.
But I respect / honor decision of parent that chooses differently for their own parenting style. Yet, when entering that thinking on open forum, I think the above point is higher consideration.
Kids do know. The idea they don't know when we hide stuff from them is ludicrous. What they learn is that hiding stuff is valuable and that secrets can be justified as a good thing. I personally think everyone reading this learned that at some point while growing up. And then used that to own advantage, and quite possibly still is using it to this day. It strikes me as very normal.
But more effective parenting, to me, is establishing boundaries, but not keeping things hidden. Being upfront, direct and listening for feedback, concerns. That vaping is plausibly harmful as a secondhand activity is the heart of the issue, but to assume it for sure is and would be to a child needs to be backed up with more than, "it's a child."
How do you Feeling about Children being able to Buy e-Liquids that Contain Nicotine?
Debating and/or Arguing Personal & Individual Opinions (by definition: Subjective), Beliefs (by definition: Subjective), Perspectives (by definition: Subjective), Codes/Creeds/Mantras (by definition: Subjective), etc. is both Inanity & Futility at their finest.
Given the true Nature of Subjectivity, there can be No factually True Right or Wrong and therefore are both as Valid as they are Invalid.
Decide and Execute for yourself and those who are in your Charge as best you can using the best Judgment at your disposal and Let it Be.
However, bear one definitively Objective Fact in Mind when doing so; like it or not,,, You are indeed "training" and forever molding the Minds, Souls, & Futures of those that are in your Charge and Sphere of Influence. Freedom does have it's Caveats.
Given the true Nature of Subjectivity, there can be No factually True Right or Wrong and therefore are both as Valid as they are Invalid.
Decide and Execute for yourself and those who are in your Charge as best you can using the best Judgment at your disposal and Let it Be.
However, bear one definitively Objective Fact in Mind when doing so; like it or not,,, You are indeed "training" and forever molding the Minds, Souls, & Futures of those that are in your Charge and Sphere of Influence. Freedom does have it's Caveats.
Yep. I quit drinking when my son was 4 yrs old. He always knew that mommy went to "meetings;" on a few occasions, "open meetings" when I would receive a chip for sobriety time, he was allowed to tag along; he once asked me why he couldn't go, the other times, and I had to explain to him that "closed meetings" were only for alcoholics themselves, to discuss and work out their issues, and that much of the talk would be inappropriate for children, and it would be rude to the AA members who needed those meetings for their intended purpose -- and also that children were simply not allowed, for all of those reasons. It's true that some AA members conveniently forget all that and bring their children along to closed meetings, much to the disapproval of all present -- but I would not be one of those members, ever.
If one is a parent, teaching your child appropriate boundaries IS YOUR JOB. Depriving them of the opportunity to learn that, by sheltering them from any boundaries, is an utter abdication of a parent's responsibility. Imagining that they don't know about those things, or that you do them, or that you can keep them "pure" by not doing any of those things in front of them, is a fool's paradise, and another abdication of parental responsibility.
Andria
First, I have to agree. If you are deadset on your idea that it is not 100% safe and are concerned, then why ask? Its your choice and parental instinct. If you're not comfortable vaping around him, then DONT. I personally see no issues with it at all. I vape around my niece and nephew and they're fine. As well as my sister-in-laws 6 and 8 year old brothers. I even have customers that are out with their newborns bringing them in to my vape shop so they're not unattended while they get their coils/juice.
Let me put it to you this way. Living in America, every time you or your toddler walk out that front door, you are inhaling fumes from cars around you, potentially fumes from steel mills surrounding most of the northwest, just in general a boat load and a half of deadly toxins. And that's just in our normal air! Now let's touch base with one of the key ingredients in e juice. Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerine. Do you or your child use an inhaler? Does he take cold medicine when he's sick or use cough syrup? Yes? Well then, he's already ingesting two of the four ingredients found in e juice. And if he eats or drinks anything with food flavoring, then there's the third ingredient right there. Basically, every day of your life, you are ingesting three of the four ingredients of e juice. If you add in nicotine, then you have your juice right there. So, again, it is YOUR CHOICE if you vape around him or not. But this is food for thought....
i vaped often infront of my two kids 2 yrs old and 4yrs old when i first started...but i don't do that much now since they are always chasing after the cloud and asking me to vape continuously... >.<
My definition of natural is pretty much covered by this quote: "Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
"carrots contain a natural antiseptic that fights bacteria." ".
There are natural ingredients involved in vaping, but obviously there are a some that are not natural. And production of mods, attys, resistance wire, etc is not natural either.
OTOH, natural is no guaranty of safety.
For those of you worried about vaping in front of your children because you're afraid of how it looks or they might get the wrong idea, you might not want to have a beer or a glass of wine in front of them. Might want to stay away from those family gatherings where others are having a drink or two also, unless you don't care if your children end up drinking...
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