Vaping around my 2 year old

[Hitcat44]

Life,,, Is a Risky Exposure to possible/probable Danger in and of itself.
Seeking to shield One's Charges from such Danger would therefore demand One must deprive them of Life.
A Parents' (or any such position of Authority) Purpose is to teach those in their care to make the most optimal possible Decisions to obtain the most from Life while navigating all the Aspects & Experiences thereof to the best of their abilities with the least amount of personal or collateral damage.
Not deprive them of it.

Be concerned about doing your best to fulfill YOUR Purpose(s).
Allow others to do the same for themselves and their Subordinates.
Your "Job" is You & Yours. Not Them & Theirs.
Let it Go and Let it Be.

 

[Jace75]

Educate Educate Educate! This is a bubble wrap society and I still believe in live and let live. My kids like to guess the flavour but I've taught them hopefully enough that they can grow up and make their own decisions in life and not make decisions based untruths and hearsay. It's is an unatural act to vape even if all the ingredients are natural I've never walked through the woods an all of a sudden blown a huge cloud of vapour you need a man made device to create that cloud. It's is a very sensitive area kids and vaping but in my opinion it's still the lesser of two evils in fact i can not find any negatives to do with vaping, All I know is I can smell and taste way better than when I was a smoker and feel a lot healthier.

 

[Joray12]

I would stop worrying so much about vaping in front of them. I forgot to quote some people but unless you're going to hide spongebob, beer, cursing, picking your nose, burping, questionable movies etc etc etc, they are predisposed to a lot in this world. Even if they don't see these things from you, they WILL see it from someone else some way and some how. The answer is to always explain what your are doing, be honest about it and explain the pros and cons. If you've explained vaping and your child says "but daddy, isn't it bad to do something that is harmful?" You explain yes and you tell him/her that there's no good reason to be doing it. That makes you a hypocritic, yes. And thats something we will have to explain as well. I don't believe in sheltering my child just so one day he can see something out in public and think to himself "omg, that's bad". Talk about a major blow to his mind. I'm not going to hide something so that he can find it later and it shock him and mess wih his head. I believe in preparing him and educating him. He will learn my experiences from me so that it isn't a slam in the face when he is out on his own at the age of 6, 10, 16 or even 30.

 

[AXIOM_1]

they WILL see it from someone else some way and some how.

This is where I disagree with you and lots of folks here, well maybe not 100% anyway....... There is a vast difference between children watching others perform an act and having that same act modeled to them by their parents. Parents and children have a parent-child bond that they could never have with any stranger or casual acquaintance. In other words, what parents model to their children has far more weight and significance than what other people may have.

Yes, children will be exposed to all of the junk in this world by others and on a continual basis but if their parents have modeled properly for them then what these others do will not sway them.

Yes, what you stated about not wanting to be a hypocrite is indeed correct. Children are very sensitive to those types of things especially when they see their parents who are participating in certain behaviors but then those same parents tell them that they cannot do it. However what I am talking about is those parents who are NOT hypocritical and they do not do any type of cussing, drinking, smoking , etc in front of their children or any where else ( they are straight laced ). In other words, they are good role models for their children and without being hypocritical.... Those are the type of families with family dynamics that I have witnessed through the years that often have the best results...... Of course, none of us on this forum can claim to be like that because all of us vape and if we don't want our kids doing it then it can be thought of as hypocritical, especially by the children, if we tell them they can't do it. So, this portion of your post I agree with.

In other words, the BEST way to model for your children is to be totally straight laced yourself.

 

[Jace75]

Most of us picked up bad habits before we even had children, so I'm not going to shield them from the real me it's almost like your expected to be two people these days a straight laced person for your children in the day and an alcoholic chain smoker at night.....Walt/Heisenburg!! Lol!!

 

[Joray12]

This is where I disagree with you and lots of folks here, well maybe not 100% anyway....... There is a vast difference between children watching others perform an act and having that same act modeled to them by their parents. Parents and children have a parent-child bond that they could never have with any stranger or casual acquaintance. In other words, what parents model to their children has far more weight and significance than what other people may have.

Yes, children will be exposed to all of the junk in this world by others and on a continual basis but if their parents have modeled properly for them then what these others do will not sway them.

Yes, what you stated about not wanting to be a hypocrite is indeed correct. Children are very sensitive to those types of things especially when they see their parents who are participating in certain behaviors but then those same parents tell them that they cannot do it. However what I am talking about is those parents who are NOT hypocritical and they do not do any type of cussing, drinking, smoking , etc in front of their children or any where else ( they are straight laced ). In other words, they are good role models for their children and without being hypocritical.... Those are the type of families with family dynamics that I have witnessed through the years that often have the best results...... Of course, none of us on this forum can claim to be like that because all of us vape and if we don't want our kids doing it then it can be thought of as hypocritical, especially by the children, if we tell them they can't do it. So, this portion of your post I agree with.

In other words, the BEST way to model for your children is to be totally straight laced yourself.

But yes, as you said we ARE NOT straight laced. So hiding it and having them learn about it later and then having them realize that for YEARS something was going on paints a bad picture of the parent in the child's mind. I believe dishonesty to be a leading factor in why teenagers rebel.

 

[AXIOM_1]

But yes, as you said we ARE NOT straight laced. So hiding it and having them learn about it later and then having them realize that for YEARS something was going on paints a bad picture of the parent in the child's mind. I believe dishonesty to be a leading factor in why teenagers rebel.

Exactly and this was the point I made..... None of us are "squeaky clean"........ I was just pointing out the fact that over the years I have witnessed many children grow old........ In almost every single case where the parents were straight laced, and taught their children well, you will find that the children follow the same path even when exposed to what everyone else in the world is doing.

Even lots of people in these modern "so called" churches do hypocritical things such as we have been discussing and it affects the kids... The type of parents that I am referring to are few and far between in today's day and age. I just wanted to point that out to people is all.

No, I agreed with what you said about hypocrisy but I just wanted to add some extra input about parental modeling.

 

[AndriaD]

If you've explained vaping and your child says "but daddy, isn't it bad to do something that is harmful?" You explain yes and you tell him/her that there's no good reason to be doing it. That makes you a hypocritic, yes. And thats something we will have to explain as well.

Nothing at all hypocritical about vaping in order to abstain from smoking. The only thing that needs explaining is that there are degrees of harmfulness -- some things like cigarettes are so extremely harmful that doing something else, which is only very possibly slightly harmful, is the only thing that makes any sense. Most of us are not supermen who can be perfect in every detail. I think it's actually reassuring to kids to know that mom and dad are human too, not perfect dolls or gods.

Andria

 

[Jman8]

My definition of natural is pretty much covered by this quote: "Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
"carrots contain a natural antiseptic that fights bacteria."

Is not humankind caused by nature and existing in nature?

This is like saying a bird's nest, or honey is not natural because "nature" did not cause that. Even while both observably exist in nature. Apparently, from the other way of seeing things, nature is capable of causing humanity to exist, but also capable of causing things that are inherently unnatural. IOW, nature itself is responsible for the unnatural. How convenient is that?

 

[AXIOM_1]

Nothing at all hypocritical about vaping in order to abstain from smoking.

You are correct about that statement. But, there is something hypocritical about doing something (anything) and in effect, modeling for your children and then telling them they can't do it. I remember when I was a kid and all the adults used to tell me to never smoke but yet they would do it and it left a very sour taste in my mouth and made me resentful.

Most of us are not supermen who can be perfect in every detail. I think it's actually reassuring to kids to know that mom and dad are human too, not perfect dolls or gods.

This is where I respectfully disagree ..... True, NONE of us are Gods or superhuman but I don't consider being straight when it comes to most potential harmful activities or vices as being Gods. I personally know several Families where both parents are straight laced and in all of those Families the kids are the same way. Just because someone is straight laced does not mean that they think they are better than anyone else and if they do then that is their malfunction. Some people are just that way (probably because it was modeled to them) and so that's just the way they are.

 

[Jman8]

If you've explained vaping and your child says "but daddy, isn't it bad to do something that is harmful?" You explain yes and you tell him/her that there's no good reason to be doing it.

Liked your post, but find this hard to go along with. IMO, further explanation is necessary.

What I'm saying though is there are good reasons to be vaping, despite the idea that it is not harmless.

It would be very interesting to see what parent (ever, anywhere) is able to present those things which are harmless.

 

[AXIOM_1]

It would be very interesting to see what parent (ever, anywhere) is able to present those things which are harmless.

Excellent point as there are not many habits that are harmless, especially compared to smoking.

 

[Landman]

I personally know several Families where both parents are straight laced and in all of those Families the kids are the same way.

I don't know... I think "back in the day" that held more sway than it does now. I've seen more straight laced parents with kids that have turned out being as bad, if not worse, than kids with rotten parents. The most normal kids seem to come from normal parents... ones that seem to be upfront, honest and don't try to shelter them from things they're going to see anyway and just teach them basic right from wrong. While you can't deny the parent-child bond, the environment and peers those kids associate with seem to be the biggest influences.

 

[AXIOM_1]

I don't know... I think "back in the day" that held more sway than it does now. I've seen more straight laced parents with kids that have turned out being as bad, if not worse, than kids with rotten parents. The most normal kids seem to come from normal parents... ones that seem to be upfront, honest and don't try to shelter them from things they're going to see anyway and just teach them basic right from wrong. While you can't deny the parent-child bond, the environment and peers those kids associate with seem to be the biggest influences.

Yes, I too have seen straight laced parents who had kids turn out way different from themselves. But, there are many other factors involved besides being straight laced when it comes to dysfunctional vices such as alcoholism, smoking etc.. I was not intending to say that being straight laced is the ONLY requirement. And yes, peer pressure and influence is a very large factor. But what I am eluding to is if everything is fairly functional on the home front, then peer pressure will take a back seat to discretion of the parents. You can be the most straight laced parent in the world but if you don't instruct, teach and love your kids and spouse (kids see how you treat a spouse) then it matters little and children will yield to peer pressure and find themselves getting into all kinds of things.

But, you are correct, peer pressure is indeed very powerful.

 

[AndriaD]

I don't know... I think "back in the day" that held more sway than it does now. I've seen more straight laced parents with kids that have turned out being as bad, if not worse, than kids with rotten parents. The most normal kids seem to come from normal parents... ones that seem to be upfront, honest and don't try to shelter them from things they're going to see anyway and just teach them basic right from wrong. While you can't deny the parent-child bond, the environment and peers those kids associate with seem to be the biggest influences.

That's very true. The substance abuse problem is rampant in both my family and my husband's, but our son has never shown the slightest interest in it. When we would be out riding in our small town, I'd point out the "hood" looking kids hanging on the streetcorners, smoking cigarettes and generally looking like rehab's next generation, and I'd say, "just so you know, you don't wanna be hanging around with people like that, they'll get you in trouble." The kid would look up (from whatever book he was reading) at the hoodniks, and say "why would i WANT to hang around with losers like that?" He heard the whole chapter and verse about why exactly we were so "poor," which had everything to do with the problems with substances my husband and I have suffered, so I guess he always knew some of the downside of that kind of life, instead of the glamorized version.

Andria

 

[tein98supra]

Since moving down to 0mg. I don't see an issue with vaping around kids. But don't do it because I don't want them to pick it up lol.


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[yuseffuhler]

I'm apparently a bad guy for this, but I drink in front of my kids and vape in front of em. I don't get drunk, I only have a few beers in front of them. I don't cloud chase, I just have a couple puffs every now and then when they're in the room. Come to think of it, I don't cloud chase in any enclosed space unless I'm by myself. I could try to shield them from each and every thing that could ever possibly happen to them, but I'd have to put them in a bubble.

Minor point here, but I see vaping becoming less of a smoking cessation tool and more of just vaping. There are going to be more and more people who vape without smoking first, and I'm completely ok with that. I'd hazard a guess that 20% of the population is going to be using nicotine in some form or another for the foreseeable future. Might as well get it safely.

 

[Devrie]

I wonder if the Nicotine Levels found in Fruits and Vegetables is the Same found in from 2nd Hand Vape in an Enclosed Car?

And if the Effects (either Good or Bad) are the same when you Eat Something vs. when you Inhale Something into your Lungs?

That's a good question, actualy!! I would like to know more about the nicotine particulates. I think if you ventilate the area, don't vape directly near the kids (for example, maybe if they're playing in the living room, and you migrate toward your kitchen or dining area or whatever where you can watch them but where they aren't in the line of fire, you can probably assume it's relatively safe.

 

[Devrie]

Assuming that she in fact CARES what total strangers think. I smoked when I was pregnant... which sometimes meant hanging outside the OBGYN's office to puff a ..... What strangers who saw me thought of that is completely irrelevant to me; they don't have to live in my body, I do.

I've never understood changing one's behavior to suit onlooking strangers, and never will.

Andria

Actually, I admire your sincerity. I guess there is a fine line between social ettiquette and being completely honest about who you are and what you do.

 

[AndriaD]

Actually, I admire your sincerity. I guess there is a fine line between social ettiquette and being completely honest about who you are and what you do.

There is no line at all -- I can and do exercise all kinds of 'social etiquette' without changing one iota of my natural inclinations -- depriving myself of something I need in order to suit the thou-shalt-nots is not social etiquette, it's being a yes-man to stooges -- even when I was hanging outside the OBGYN's office smoking, I wasn't hurting them -- arguably, I may have been causing some small harm to my unborn, but considering he was born weighing nearly 8 lbs, almost a week OVERdue, I doubt it, and the fact is, if it had come down to "you MUST quit smoking to have a baby", I'd have had an abortion, because until vaping, I COULD NOT quit smoking.

Andria