While visiting your Dr, ask about sleep apnea. My brother in law fit exactly the description you're telling - feeling unrested despite getting what should be "enough" sleep. Apparently, his apnea was preventing him from almost any deep, restful sleep, with only a few minutes a night of REM sleep. they put him on a cpap, and after the learning curve with that (which wasn't too bad) his sleep has improved a great deal, and he can feel rested and energetic again.
Vaping destroying my stamina?
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While visiting your Dr, ask about sleep apnea. My brother in law fit exactly the description you're telling - feeling unrested despite getting what should be "enough" sleep. Apparently, his apnea was preventing him from almost any deep, restful sleep, with only a few minutes a night of REM sleep. they put him on a cpap, and after the learning curve with that (which wasn't too bad) his sleep has improved a great deal, and he can feel rested and energetic again.
I've seen this quoted a number of times, but seem to have missed the source. Can you reference the study(ies) showing this to be the case? I'd love a chance to review the evidence.
Sub Zero is some HEAVY DUTY menthol, and I'm pretty sure it's PG heavy. I used to vape that stuff exclusively and used to hack up junk from my throat a lot(though not nearly as bad as when I was smoking cigarettes).
It might be hard to do(because that juice is simply amazing) but maybe try something not so strong and see if it helps any?
It might be hard to do(because that juice is simply amazing) but maybe try something not so strong and see if it helps any?
What is not to understand?
Stamina is not a given in any person at any age. It requires Body upkeep.
Ex-Smokers almost automatically increase Breathing depth over time as the lungs start to clear. More Air in - More Oxygen to the Blood Stream to feed everything.
Sit, Vape/Vape/Vape and you will fall into Muscular atrophy over time.
61yo, 45yr ex-smoker - Heart rate/Blood pressure are better then my 4 kids
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You'll have to google the actual studies, but I can steer you in the right direction:
Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction | The State Press - An independent daily serving Arizona State University
Tobacco more addictive than Nicotine
The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep
Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com
Cigarettes' Power May Not Be In Nicotine Itself, New Study Suggests -- ScienceDaily
By the way, anyone feeling exhausted and lacking stamina after quitting smoking by any means needs to have a full thyroid panel run. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that cigarettes can hide thyroid disease by creating a heightened metabolism, and in the same breath destroys the thyroid's ability to function. Personally, I can now look back and tell you that I had thyroid disease for years, but it didn't fully rear it's ugly head until I quit smoking the first time, cold turkey.
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I was going to say the same thing. It definitely sounds like it could be sleep apnea. Something you should absolutely ask your Dr. about.
I have been running on treadmill 3 times a week for 3 years now, 2.5 miles each time, plus strength training. When I smoked, I always had cough at the beginning of my exercise routine. Since I switched to vaping my coughing has stopped completely, and I haven't taken a single zyrtec. I vape my home-made 3mg nic 70% VG ejuice 5 to 10 mil per day, and I don't see any increased or decreased stamina.
Could that be your life style/diet changed? Did you get less sleep, become stressed, or something like that? I don't really see how 1mil vaping will decrease your stamina. There could be many other factors that you want to consider. Anyway good luck!
Could that be your life style/diet changed? Did you get less sleep, become stressed, or something like that? I don't really see how 1mil vaping will decrease your stamina. There could be many other factors that you want to consider. Anyway good luck!
Nicotine at night disrupts some of your sleep too. Maybe cut out 3 hours before bedtime.
Also, even a couple of cigs a day COULD lead to COPD...heck non-smokers get COPD. And it sneaks up on you and is progressive over time. So who knows?
Of course, COPD is most common in smokers. There's other details/threads too. But the point is that just saying "1 or 2 cigs a day" doesn't mean that you're a complete non-smoker, that you couldn't have damaged your lungs somewhat and that some juices (like the heavy menthol that has such a lung hit for you) doesn't cause more symptoms and/or other problems for you.
And then there's your change in exercise lately.
And your garage door not working.
So please, if it persists, ask your doctor. Or maybe just quit vaping for a month or two and try the lozenges if you must and see what happens. Vaping isn't for everyone in all situations. Like has been said, most of us former smokers just can't give up the cancer sticks without vaping.
and good luck to you.
Also, even a couple of cigs a day COULD lead to COPD...heck non-smokers get COPD. And it sneaks up on you and is progressive over time. So who knows?
Of course, COPD is most common in smokers. There's other details/threads too. But the point is that just saying "1 or 2 cigs a day" doesn't mean that you're a complete non-smoker, that you couldn't have damaged your lungs somewhat and that some juices (like the heavy menthol that has such a lung hit for you) doesn't cause more symptoms and/or other problems for you.
And then there's your change in exercise lately.
And your garage door not working.
So please, if it persists, ask your doctor. Or maybe just quit vaping for a month or two and try the lozenges if you must and see what happens. Vaping isn't for everyone in all situations. Like has been said, most of us former smokers just can't give up the cancer sticks without vaping.
and good luck to you. 
somehow i can relate to that. i feel worse when im smoking and doing treadmills and running for 15 mins. somehow its getting better when im vaping but still its feel like when ur not vaping for few days, u can have more breath and do more running. i dont know if its placebo or just suggestive idea in my mind, but i notice it. but obviously vaping is better than smoking.
I'd like to know a few things before I give you an opinion.
Age, height, weight, occupation.
Way too vague, "I have no stamina", "I'm not as active as I once was", "I only vape about 1ml a day", "I only smoke a couple cigs" just doesn't quite add up really so a little background would be helpful for everyone to give you some useful advice.
If you were really overly concerned you would have seen a doctor by now!
Age, height, weight, occupation.
Way too vague, "I have no stamina", "I'm not as active as I once was", "I only vape about 1ml a day", "I only smoke a couple cigs" just doesn't quite add up really so a little background would be helpful for everyone to give you some useful advice.
If you were really overly concerned you would have seen a doctor by now!
There are a lot more variables with vaping than with smoking.
Somebody who doesn't smoke and can afford it might some something like the blu, or other such stuff, and imo, chances are they are going to end up with long term issues, whereas a smoker who switched to blu and such would soon get improvements in lung health.
For us smokers, researching and $spending$ on higher quality gear, avoiding plastics and poor insulator material, getting good juice, can be worth the expense compared to what we were spending on cigarettes
This is why I think so many new vapers on here were not smokers; they buy such poor quality gear, and lots of it...
I am Seeing the Direct Opposite.
My Cardio is Better than it was 15 Years ago. And I am averaging about 110 Miles a Week on the Bike.
Not Bad for a 30 Year PAD Smoker.
Well, people develop dependency or addiction to a variety of things. I would not say even vaping zero nic can not develop that, though it doesn't for me. Here's what I said about it earlier:
Reading what I wrote, I'm glad I said 'in my experience' and 'much of one'. People develop addictions to gambling and sex to name just two and those don't even involve substance intake other than what our bodies produce in response to those stimuli. This stuff is complicated and saying dependancy could not ever happen to anyone is probably not accurate.
I just now finished reading through the links provided.
What I found was compelling arguments -based on- studies that are, for the most part, fairly vaguely referenced. In some cases the actual names of the principal researchers were disclosed, but in no cases were the actual abstracts of the studies quoted, nor the actual reports, nor even (with one exception) the journal in which they were published.
Further, being published in an appropriate peer review journal is just the first real step. These studies need to be independently verified before scientific consensus can begin to coalesce.
OK - so the available evidence does suggest that nicotine, on its own, absent synergens found in tobacco (and more so in tobacco smoke) is not likely to be physically dependence forming.
That does -NOT- mean that someone who only smoked a couple of cigarettes a day isn't an addict. Nor does it mean that the someone in question isn't addicted to nicotine.
Being that evidence is very strong that NRT and vaping have a positive impact in exiting tobacco use, alleviating symptoms of withdrawal, the converse argument that the addiction formed by all of the rest of the chemical stew is a dependence on the centerpiece around which that chemical stew turns - nicotine. Absent the rest of the chemical synergens, the nicotine dependence can be cleared up while still using nicotine, and after dependence is no longer an obstacle, the nicotine itself can be reduced or eliminated much more easily.
I am going to do a little more digging. I have a friend in grad school. Her undergraduate studies were in biochem, and she may still have access to primary literature in related fields. Imma send her the articles that were linked and ask if she can find me some actual studies on the topic.
In the mean time, the statement "You're not addicted" and it's correlary "Nicotine is not addictive" is premature. The science is not in on that front yet. Not for anyone. The science is -beginning- to come in, but, as stated, being published is step one. Even a really good study, with adequate sample size, good resolution, rigorous controls and appropriate data handling, etc does not constitute "proof" of such a statement. Such a study being successfully replicated with concurring results by multiple disinterested third parties is required to make such a statement of "fact".
What I found was compelling arguments -based on- studies that are, for the most part, fairly vaguely referenced. In some cases the actual names of the principal researchers were disclosed, but in no cases were the actual abstracts of the studies quoted, nor the actual reports, nor even (with one exception) the journal in which they were published.
Further, being published in an appropriate peer review journal is just the first real step. These studies need to be independently verified before scientific consensus can begin to coalesce.
OK - so the available evidence does suggest that nicotine, on its own, absent synergens found in tobacco (and more so in tobacco smoke) is not likely to be physically dependence forming.
That does -NOT- mean that someone who only smoked a couple of cigarettes a day isn't an addict. Nor does it mean that the someone in question isn't addicted to nicotine.
Being that evidence is very strong that NRT and vaping have a positive impact in exiting tobacco use, alleviating symptoms of withdrawal, the converse argument that the addiction formed by all of the rest of the chemical stew is a dependence on the centerpiece around which that chemical stew turns - nicotine. Absent the rest of the chemical synergens, the nicotine dependence can be cleared up while still using nicotine, and after dependence is no longer an obstacle, the nicotine itself can be reduced or eliminated much more easily.
I am going to do a little more digging. I have a friend in grad school. Her undergraduate studies were in biochem, and she may still have access to primary literature in related fields. Imma send her the articles that were linked and ask if she can find me some actual studies on the topic.
In the mean time, the statement "You're not addicted" and it's correlary "Nicotine is not addictive" is premature. The science is not in on that front yet. Not for anyone. The science is -beginning- to come in, but, as stated, being published is step one. Even a really good study, with adequate sample size, good resolution, rigorous controls and appropriate data handling, etc does not constitute "proof" of such a statement. Such a study being successfully replicated with concurring results by multiple disinterested third parties is required to make such a statement of "fact".
The studies are vague and cherry picked for a reason. One also must realize the purpose of many studies is to get more grants to do more studies... I think vaping is addictive- even for never smokers. No studies done on that, but plenty of anecdotal evidence on this forum.
I ran 11 miles the other day and apart from my legs feeling like they were going to fall off, I had no issue. No lung or cardio limitations.
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