Vaping for 4 months-why do I still crave the analog?!
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Camel snus is absolutley horrible. Sweedish snus is the bomb imho anyways if you would like to try some sweedish stuff pm me and I send you a sample. Snus makes it so I have no intrest in analogs and I have smoked for 30 years without the snus I dont think I could have quit, eni is good and I like it but it doesnt do the trick for me.
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I think the cravings have to do with the absorption rates from an analog as compared to the ecig. When you smoke an analog the nic is absorbed directly into the blood stream through the lungs so you get that spike of nicotine immediately. Thats the beauty of smoking analogs spike and in about 10-15 mins goes back down causing you to want another.
The ecig is absorbed through the tissues of the mouth and never makes it to the lungs. It's absorbed slower but lasts longer. One you get your 'spike' and follow it up with an vape, you maintain your nic levels. You return to those spike needs like Pavlov's dogs after meals (I used to call my analog, my 'dessert')
Like to previous poster said, if you can deal with that spike need when it comes, it gets easier. If not, try not giving into your spike needs or vape a stronger liquid during those times (maybe with a bit of menthol for the burn). I used to keep one high mg liquid simply for spike times and will order a bottle of my current strength to get me by when I step down again.
There are threads about the 'other' addictive properities of cigarette smoking all over the forum, like MAOI inhibition, but I won't get into that. Whatever works to wean you off.
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The ecig is absorbed through the tissues of the mouth and never makes it to the lungs. It's absorbed slower but lasts longer. One you get your 'spike' and follow it up with an vape, you maintain your nic levels. You return to those spike needs like Pavlov's dogs after meals (I used to call my analog, my 'dessert')
Like to previous poster said, if you can deal with that spike need when it comes, it gets easier. If not, try not giving into your spike needs or vape a stronger liquid during those times (maybe with a bit of menthol for the burn). I used to keep one high mg liquid simply for spike times and will order a bottle of my current strength to get me by when I step down again.
There are threads about the 'other' addictive properities of cigarette smoking all over the forum, like MAOI inhibition, but I won't get into that. Whatever works to wean you off.
HTH
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, Swedish snus is a safer fix. Until studies show different, I see Swedish (not domestic)snus to be as safe as PV's with nic liquid. Some may want to argue that, but bring proof. I have already seen studies on Swedish snus.
Sweeden has one of the lowest cancer rates in the world. Sweedish snus is used by a good percentage of people there so I would think Sweedish snus is at least reduced harm.
You're right Brewster, it is recognized officially as "reduced harm" in other countries. Not the U.S., though. Quit or die is all we offer .
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There have been dozens of claims over the years about other addictive additives in cigarettes- designed of course to keep us all hooked. (do a Google search for 'other addictive additives in cigarettes').
Just stick with the VAPE- if you ignore your analog cravings, they'll go away after a few minutes.
No, and no, actually. There is more in plain tobacco already than just nicotine, no need for secret (or not so secret) additives. And as it already has been pointed out – the analog cravings don't always go away.
Not to mention that it seems to me that there are quite a few people who are hit by that craving after weeks of vaping only, with me, that got bad after about 5 weeks, during which I had no desire to go back to analogs at all. Good thing for me was, I already had tried snus before (unsucessfully, as long as I smoked), so instead of craving analogs, I kept thinking about those age-old boxes of snus instead of analogs.
I may have missed it Alex, did you have older snus left over that you are now using? If so how is for taste/nic.
Glad you pointed that out, Alex. In the US we have a tobacco brand called Natural American Spirit. Although it's not chemically treated like others, I've come across many on this forum who were, or still are, trying to escape its claws. By the way, you appear to be quite determined....snus moldy, yet?
Big Tobacco new that one day people would want to quit smoking. They also knew that people would go to the patch or gum. So they added more addictive elements in their products to keep them coming back to them. You must fight the craving!!! Don't give in to BT!!!
You're right Brewster, it is recognized officially as "reduced harm" in other countries. Not the U.S., though. Quit or die is all we offer
Well, either our fellow Americans are that dumb (I'd hope not) that they perceive "reduced harm" to mean "no harm", or the government is.
I'd like to be optimistic about the general public.
The blame goes toward our government, then the lobbyists, then the general public . A herd of sheep only go where the shepherd allows
.Wondering..........do you stand on your head to log in or am I just having one of those "moments"......(hate when that happens).....
Well, it was not moldy or looking funny, or I would have thrown it away. It was stored in the fridge, in a plastic bag, but not a zip lock. It was however quite dry, but then, there is this useful stuff called water, which helps a lot with overly dry stuff. It does after all work great on pipe tobacco, where you can get humidifiers (not entirely sure that is the proper English word, but should be approximately right) for dried out tobacco.
Works on snus, too.
Nicotine, or whatever it is I am missing (most likely something else) is still in there in sufficient quantities. Taste, now, well – one reason why snus did not work too well for me while I was still on analogs was that it does not exactly taste good, in my opinion. It sure does not taste any better now. Which is not a bad thing, though, because that way I am not tempted to use a lot of it, just what I need. (Vaping does not just taste better, its cheaper, too. Both of course are a lot cheaper than analogs.) If any of it tastes too bad now (haven't tried all yet), I think I may try some Flavourart flavours on them. If that does not work, I'm going to have a neat empty box or two soon.
I have Northener.com open, with a half-finished order, but I am still somewhat waiting to see whether the need passes. And, of course, whether I can safe a few bucks by using up the old stuff first.
Mmmm, Thunder Frosted mini's.....8mg nic, light spearmint flavor, no salt, nothing else. I don't like the original Swedish flavors, either. This is on par with spearmint gum, only has less flavor. Really pleasantI have Northener.com open, with a half-finished order, but I am still somewhat waiting to see whether the need passes. And, of course, whether I can safe a few bucks by using up the old stuff first.
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And out comes the sarcasm guns
Alex, expect to see ya over to the Smokeless Tobacco forum soon!
I still have that odd thing, too - after 35 years 1 1/2 pack a day, got on e-cigs first of October - immediately went to about 1-2 analogs a day - not sure why either - but it's on the drive to work and then again on the drive home - analogs still taste nasty, and I immediately want my e-cig again. But for sure, I feel I have mastered the nasty cancer stick - I know I COULD do without them now.... tried so many times to quit them in the past (hypnosis, patches, gum, Chantix, etc.. and nothing worked until the e-cig) LONG LIVE THE E-CIG!!!!! 
and thanks so much for this wonderful forum!!!
and thanks so much for this wonderful forum!!!I am sure this has been mentioned but I would up the nicotine level, to end you cigarette cravings for good. GL!!
As has already been mentioned before, upping the nic does not work for everybody. You can give yourself a nic high, and if you are lucky, its not quite an overdose. That pushes that craving for "something" into the background, if you have it. For quite a few of us, though, that is akin to drinking a lot of hot tea (or coffee) when you are hungry: It may make you less hungry, but it does not address the underlying problem.
Of course, upping the nic level does help quite a few people, so it is a good idea to do that first.
For some, though, it does not do the trick. Have a look here for example: Do you really think those 15% which did not kick analogs altogether were just too dumb to up the nic level?
The good thing of course is, that even if you still crave tobacco proper, you need not smoke analogs.
kudos to everyone for the responses! You all have great ideas and input to share. It's 6:40 AM here on the east coast and I'm on a nic trip trying to avoid the analog. I've been chain vaping since I got up and guess what? Somethings missing. It's definitely not the nicotine for sure. It's the SMELL and smoke I miss. You all have me looking at this closely now because I'm overly curious. (not to be mistaken with overly obsessed-hehe) I miss the f@#king smell and smoke! My body's not craving something I don't think, it's my senses. I like the smell of the burning tobacco as well as the smoke. I HATE the after smell and filth. I grew up with it, and lived with it all my life. Everyone in my family was a chimney. I became one too. That's what's missing. It's psychological for the most part as well as the "immediate" rush of the analog first thing. Hmmmm, interesting. Vaping gives you most of the experience but there's no smoke and no smell so there's still that void. Just my thoughts....everyone's different. It's a very complex addiction.
I agree. I love the smell of a freshly lit cigarette. Have one. You could just light it, take a couple of drags and then let it smolder in the ashtray....worth a try.
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