Vaping generally cheaper then buying cigarettes?

[Stownz]

The trick to helping anyone get started, is a ton of research and web browsing. You can pick up ego kits for $30 bucks that include everything you need to get started. There is cheap juice all over the net to try, or better yet, just make it yourself. So many resellers, and so many people making a buck and 90% of them just reselling the same stuff from china.

Research, browse the web, email vendors. It incredibly cheap if you bypass all the resellers, and stay away from proprietary designs these company's are trying to stick to you. Research will show you that it is just 20 websites selling a 510 ego and telling you its some amazing design change. Bleh, all trying to make a buck off a china unit that costs $12.

Here is a cute little link for anyone researching to check out: E-cig-E-cig Manufacturers, Suppliers and Exporters on Alibaba.com

An entire website developed to connect buyers with the over seas people. email the vendors, research their company. Then just buy a "sample". Shipping is crazy, but when you get a starter kit that sells for $60+. and you pay $12, LOLOLOLOLOL. 50 510 cartomizers for .20 each, lolololol. Most the time its the exact same stuff i payed 4x for from states vendor.

 

[Patrick-Star]

Thanks for all the advice you guys!

My dad just googled the Internet to find a good shop to buy vaping equipment.

 

[rambo]

Around, how many ml's one analog pack is? Trying to calculate monthly costs for few friends.

20 drops was about 1ml right?

 

[silkakc]

Patrick,

A pack of cigs where I live is $10. I can make my own DIY nic juice and it costs me about 20 cents a day to vape. If I buy nic juice froma vendor, it costs me about $1 a day to vape. The savings are astronomical! And my lungs and health have improved dramatically in the last 6 months after smoking for 30 yrs. No more emphysema and getting out of breath.

Please have your Dad look at the Liberty Flights site. They have an awesome kit called the "Riva" and you get 2 whole Ecigs for $29.99. Just click the code at the top that says "20% off your order".

The best prices for sample nic juices are Vapors Etc, BlueMist Vaping and MadVapes I've found.

It might cost him more to get started on Ecigs but the savings are massive once you settle down and find the right Ecig and the right juices.


Lori

 

[rambo]

The best prices for sample nic juices are Vapors Etc, BlueMist Vaping and MadVapes I've found

Cheapest juices are in Liquid nicotine. 10ml is 3,20€ and they also sell 5x3ml mix packs for 6,67€ so you can try flavours for cheap.

 

[pixiedust]

Around, how many ml's one analog pack is? Trying to calculate monthly costs for few friends.

20 drops was about 1ml right?

yes, 20 drops is 1ml, but you don't get as much nicotine from e-cigs as you do from analogs, and the absorption is slower. I am sure that everyone's experience is different but I never smoked more than 1 pack a day; usually I smoked about 2/3 of a pack. I vape about 3-4 ml of either 18 or 24mg juice a day. I mostly use DIY juice which is very inexpensive. If I buy juice it's either on special, or it's a flavor that I can't duplicate myself. I like Dekang USA mix and buy it for $10.99 for 50ml from madvapes occasionally

 

[rambo]

yes, 20 drops is 1ml, but you don't get as much nicotine from e-cigs as you do from analogs, and the absorption is slower. I am sure that everyone's experience is different but I never smoked more than 1 pack a day; usually I smoked about 2/3 of a pack. I vape about 3-4 ml of either 18 or 24mg juice a day.

It's not the nicotine that you are addicted that much, it's the habit and now that you have healthier alternative in your hands you vape it more pretty much just for fun. If you think it's the lack of nicotine, make juice with higher level nicotine like 36 or 42.

 

[Hrtbrkr1965]

Initial startup feels like alot but when your a month or 2 down the road you will tally some stuff up and see you saved alot of coin! That is if you do your research and buy a unit with good battery life and get away from it's got to look just like a cig! The minis batteries do not last! I mix my own liquids now which saved me a lot of cash and got a big battery ecig purchased right at christmas and still using it strong! Look at my cig line below and you will see the kind of cash regular cids were costing in the big picture!
By the way on my cig you can times that by 2 people as my wife quit also!

 

[misterhyde]

As the Pound is close to the Euro, I spent about £150 getting my setup just right (2 mini batteries, 2 XL batteries, 25 prefilled cartomisers, 40 prefilled cartridges, a USB passthrough, a USB charger, 2 10ml bottles of juice, 10 empty cartridges, 2 mains chargers and a silver and leather case to hold it all in) but I figured I spend about £250 a month on cigarettes. I accidentally got menthol cartridges rather than tobacco and discovered that I love menthol as a vaping flavour (as I've said before, it's like vaping a mentos) so I just bought another 25 menthol cartomizers for about £20, and that should do me for the month. The XL batteries last a day each and the mini batteries fit nicely in the case if I don't want to draw attention to the size of the XL battery.

What I would say is that I would get a nicotine strength a little higher than you think you will need. I used to smoke ultra lights, so I figured 11mg would be more than enough for me. Instead, I still found myself straying to analogs. Now I have 18mg cartomizers and I've not wanted an analog at all.

 

[sam12six]

At this point, using a PV is less expensive than cigarettes assuming you use liquid to refill. I believe that'll change eventually because they're surely looking for ways to tax nicotine liquid to levels similar to cigarettes. To this point, most of the effort has been placed on threats to ban PVs altogether, when that fails and a larger community of vapers exists, they'll look really hard at ways to recoup the lost cigarette taxes.

The great thing about it is the PV has less of a stranglehold on you than cigarettes. Having vaped for months now, I'm pretty confident I could simply quit if it became too expensive - something I never really considered when cigarette prices doubled overnight.

 

[rambo]

At this point, using a PV is less expensive than cigarettes assuming you use liquid to refill. I believe that'll change eventually because they're surely looking for ways to tax nicotine liquid to levels similar to cigarettes. To this point, most of the effort has been placed on threats to ban PVs altogether, when that fails and a larger community of vapers exists, they'll look really hard at ways to recoup the lost cigarette taxes.

The great thing about it is the PV has less of a stranglehold on you than cigarettes. Having vaped for months now, I'm pretty confident I could simply quit if it became too expensive - something I never really considered when cigarette prices doubled overnight.

Or you could just vape 0mg and be just fine

 

[sam12six]

Or you could just vape 0mg and be just fine

That's true, but I wouldn't bother. If I didn't get the nicotine feel, I wouldn't find any reason to vape. Now, that's just me and doesn't apply to everyone - the same way some people can enjoy nonalcoholic beer and others don't see the point...

 

[rambo]

That's true, but I wouldn't bother. If I didn't get the nicotine feel, I wouldn't find any reason to vape. Now, that's just me and doesn't apply to everyone - the same way some people can enjoy nonalcoholic beer and others don't see the point...

No, it's what your intention of using is. With alcohol people don't use it because they have withdrawals, they drink alcohol to get drunk and that's why there's no point to drink non-alcohol beer. Alcoholics are of course different story, but how many percent of alcohol users are alcoholics? Not many.

Smoking for many (I would say most) is the feeling you get from it, the taste and the smoke. That's why many non-smokers smoke when they are partying etc. They don't need the nicotine, they don't have withdrawals, they just wan't the feel and taste of smoking which is great with alcohol drinks.

 

[pixiedust]

No, it's what your intention of using is. With alcohol people don't use it because they have withdrawals, they drink alcohol to get drunk and that's why there's no point to drink non-alcohol beer. Alcoholics are of course different story, but how many percent of alcohol users are alcoholics? Not many.

Smoking for many (I would say most) is the feeling you get from it, the taste and the smoke. That's why many non-smokers smoke when they are partying etc. They don't need the nicotine, they don't have withdrawals, they just wan't the feel and taste of smoking which is great with alcohol drinks.

I have vaped zero nic and believe me...I need nicotine. I actually need 18-24mg to avoid withdrawl from nicotine. I don't know many smokers who smoke 'just for the feeling you get from it'. I hated analogs, hated the smell, the inconvenience of having to stand outside in blizzards to get my fix, but for 40 years I put up will all the inconvenience and health hazards of it purely because I was (and am) addicted to nicotine. I vape because I am addicted to nicotine, not because I like the feeling of having a piece of metal with a battery in it stuck in my mouth

 

[sam12six]

No, it's what your intention of using is. With alcohol people don't use it because they have withdrawals, they drink alcohol to get drunk and that's why there's no point to drink non-alcohol beer. Alcoholics are of course different story, but how many percent of alcohol users are alcoholics? Not many.

Smoking for many (I would say most) is the feeling you get from it, the taste and the smoke. That's why many non-smokers smoke when they are partying etc. They don't need the nicotine, they don't have withdrawals, they just wan't the feel and taste of smoking which is great with alcohol drinks.

While I generally agree with what you're saying, drinking an alcoholic drink gives you that alcoholic "burn". Yes, lots of people drink to feel drunk, but lots of people also are content to experience that alcohol "feel" for a single drink - something they can't get from a nonalcoholic beverage of any flavor.

That's how I (and this is just ME) feel about vaping. The nicotine "burn" combined with the ritual is the part of the experience that tells my body to relax and focus. I haven't really experimented, but from what I've read, that feeling can't be duplicated without nicotine.

 

[rambo]

Most people I know smoke analogs at weekends when they are partying because the taste of analogs and alcohol drinks blending together makes the experience of drinking taste and feel even better. None of them smoke any other day or do they have withdrawls of any kind.

I used snus and red L&M analogs over 12 years and quit 5 weeks ago. I didn't get really any withdrawls either, I just missed the feeling of snus in my lip while watching a movie, and the feeling of smoke after the meal. But those wen't away in few minutes and I don't even get those anymore at all. Still I'm sure that when I'm going to drink next time I will really want to smoke. Not because I need nicotine, but because smoking completes the taste when drinking and makes the experience even more enjoyable.

I'm not saying that the need of nicotine isn't the reason why many people use tobacco products, what I'm saying that I believe that in most cases everything else is more important than the nicotine.

 

[sam12six]

As I said, I agree with what you're saying. Thing is, the reason the cigarette is such a diabolical product is it has multiple addictions - chemical (both nicotine and others) and habit.

When I smoked, I did so for 3 reasons: The trigger times (like when drinking a beer or after a meal), habit, and for the nicotine hitting the lungs feeling. Since I've been vaping, the trigger times don't really affect me any more and I've changed some of my habits so that's gone too. All that's left is that feeling of nicotine hitting the lungs when I want to carry out the relaxing ritual of "having a smoke".

Everybody is different. What I'm saying is that it is the feeling created by nicotine hitting the lungs that I enjoy a few times a day. I could be deluding myself, but I no longer consider myself addicted (and know for a fact that I'm not addicted like I was when I smoked cigarettes). I've vaped zero nic juice and get nothing from it. I hear people talk about how they enjoy vaping and love the flavors - that's not me. As long as the flavor isn't something that really tastes offensive (which cigarettes never did to me, though they do now), I'm fine with it. What I'm saying though, is that no matter how great the flavor, unless it included that nicotine burn, the activity wouldn't have any attraction for me.

When I smoked cigarettes and would be forced to go several hours without one, I'd literally daydream about how I was going to have one soon. Now I can go several hours without vaping just because I get focused on something else. I think that's just a small step away from quitting altogether. I have no plan to quit at this point since I consider vaping pretty safe and definitely a world safer than cigarettes. I'm just saying i think if vaping became massively inconvenient or expensive, I believe I'd have a pretty easy time walking away from it.

 

[pixiedust]

Most people I know smoke analogs at weekends when they are partying because the taste of analogs and alcohol drinks blending together makes the experience of drinking taste and feel even better. None of them smoke any other day or do they have withdrawls of any kind.

I used snus and red L&M analogs over 12 years and quit 5 weeks ago. I didn't get really any withdrawls either, I just missed the feeling of snus in my lip while watching a movie, and the feeling of smoke after the meal. But those wen't away in few minutes and I don't even get those anymore at all. Still I'm sure that when I'm going to drink next time I will really want to smoke. Not because I need nicotine, but because smoking completes the taste when drinking and makes the experience even more enjoyable.

I'm not saying that the need of nicotine isn't the reason why many people use tobacco products, what I'm saying that I believe that in most cases everything else is more important than the nicotine.

From what you are saying, perhaps you never smoked enough to get addicted, or maybe you have some kind of brain chemistry (lucky you) that keeps you from getting addicted- but I smoked for 40 years and would drive to the store before I even showered to get a pack of smokes if I was out, then I would rip the pack open as fast as I could and have my first drag before I got back in my car.

 

[rambo]

From what you are saying, perhaps you never smoked enough to get addicted, or maybe you have some kind of brain chemistry (lucky you) that keeps you from getting addicted- but I smoked for 40 years and would drive to the store before I even showered to get a pack of smokes if I was out, then I would rip the pack open as fast as I could and have my first drag before I got back in my car.

I didn't smoke as much as I used snus (I used both every day), 2-30 depending on the day (30 cig days being party nights), but snus have way more nicotine in it than cigarettes do.

Yes I know nicotine addiction can be bad for someone. Hope you can some day quit too or at least lower the mg's close to zero

 

[pixiedust]

I didn't smoke as much as I used snus (I used both every day), 2-30 depending on the day (30 cig days being party nights), but snus have way more nicotine in it than cigarettes do.

Yes I know nicotine addiction can be bad for someone. Hope you can some day quit too or at least lower the mg's close to zero

I did quit smoking..now I vape, but I have no plans to quit vaping or to cut my nic to zero mg..no one has offered me any compelling reason to do so.