I'm in the USMC and I constantly have higher up screaming at me because they think I'm smoking in-doors. I need to wear a shirt that explains that it's not a cig! lol
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For me , my country doesnt allow this so yeah stealth vaping for me goes for now..If i were you I might show the person in the face what I am holding to show my proof! 
...but usually I vape places where there are no people so yeah at times if there are no people arnound my class I would take a few puffs in class and keep a lookout xD
...but usually I vape places where there are no people so yeah at times if there are no people arnound my class I would take a few puffs in class and keep a lookout xD
I told myself not get into this kind of debate again, keep your head down Meli., but no, here I am yet again, ready to get my knuckles rapped.
Thank you for making this comment. I mean no ill intent and I applaud you and those in support of CASAA for the work you do on behalf of the vaping community, it can't be easy.
I frequently manage corporate fundraisers for several charities (among other things), I can imagine the lack of understanding you come across, I am often met with more than a fair share. However, the notion of every single donor wearing slogans and banners on their sleeve just to prove they are doing some thing for the benefit of others, is slightly overreaching. A number of my largest benefactors have strict confidentiality policies. I would personally love for them to openly admit their support, but ultimately the bottom line is - it's their choice.
Personally, I think Courtesy, Evaluation of Situation and Environment, most importantly Education is key. The old adage ' you will catch more flies with a spoonful of honey than with a gallon of vinegar' springs to mind.
Meaning, an over zealous, aggressive stance on Vaping as a Right in any public or private residence with complete disregard to or respect for the public or inhabitants therein is not going to gain any ground with the people one would like to influence the most. This stance has been reiterated on these platforms all too often - "Just do it regardless!" - will not gain friends or influence people.
Furthermore, some people can't or don't want to wade into possible confrontational situations. Being the only person vaping can be a very lonely, uncomfortable place, considering most people don't really like to bring attention to themselves, and as ex-smokers already suffer from some form of guilt, no matter how misguided that guilt may be now, particularly if all and sundry are passing filthy looks and comments.
Nor do I condon vaping in front of minors, I didn't whilst smoking, I wouldn't begin now. Not because what I'm doing is wrong per se, but because I don't want them to grow up and do the same (smoking or vaping). I vape because I am a nicotine addict, because I was a smoker and vaping gives me the most satisfaction, as well as being the safer option.
This may not be the right approach, but one has to do what one is most comfortable with, blatantly assuming it's all okay isn't entirely plausible to me.
School is a place where you can't just decide to take you business elsewhere. I went back to school a couple of years ago and found that if I vaped while walking around, no one had anything to say about it. If I stood in one spot outside a door, I'd get comments and official people telling me I needed to go to the smoking area.
Bathrooms are good places to vape, especially if you vape something that makes the air smell good! To and from class in a crowd, you can get away with it. Behind a tree out of the sight of windows is also a good place.
Vaping will gain respect as lab testing reveals the truth about ecigs. A recent WHO test showed that vaping does not change CBC (complete blood count) levels. Smoking cigarettes does. That, in itself, is a testimonial to ecigs.
The more ammunition you have in your arsenal, the better you can communicate the benefits of ecigs over smoking. The two are polarized in black and white contrast to each other.
The WHO article is here.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005030
Bathrooms are good places to vape, especially if you vape something that makes the air smell good! To and from class in a crowd, you can get away with it. Behind a tree out of the sight of windows is also a good place.
Vaping will gain respect as lab testing reveals the truth about ecigs. A recent WHO test showed that vaping does not change CBC (complete blood count) levels. Smoking cigarettes does. That, in itself, is a testimonial to ecigs.
The more ammunition you have in your arsenal, the better you can communicate the benefits of ecigs over smoking. The two are polarized in black and white contrast to each other.
The WHO article is here.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005030
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Perhaps it's because I started smoking in college, but the idea of a college that has smoking areas as opposed to no-smoking areas is extremely foreign to me.
Very nice response... I think this is the attitude I will feel comfortable with. Thanks
I work at a hospital as a CT Tech. There are 2 others that I work with, one smoker and one ex smoker with a smoking spouse. They don't mind me puffing at work in the control room, or the viewing room. I have showed off my e-cigs to all the radiologists and other x-ray techs in the diagnostic side of the house by demonstrating that I can puff inside. No one seems to care, but as I puff away around my ex smoker coworker, I do start to feel guilty about it, so I am starting to develop some boundaries. I will vape in the hospital in my private work areas where none of my patients are likely to see if I am with the smoker, but try to avoid it around the ex smoker. I have not been to the smoking section at work since I started using my ecig (got to love that AC inside).
With that being said I do not try to use e-cigs at home around the kids (I will use it in the car though). I told them that smoking would make them sick, and they are concerned that I am going to get them sick if they see me exhale my vapor. They are my kids, and I don't want them to think it is ok to become nicaddicted like I did.
As for the heated discussion about the college classroom, I would not expect anyone to think it is ok to vape where it would potentially be a distraction to others. I have no experience with the big boy equipment, just seen the gigantic puffs of vapor that the can produce on the exhale. Imagine sitting behind someone, you are trying to take notes, and all the sudden this person pulls out a crome plated lava tube and starts billowing clouds of vape. Just saying, most of the time distracting behaviors are looked down upon in a school type situation.
Take care.
With that being said I do not try to use e-cigs at home around the kids (I will use it in the car though). I told them that smoking would make them sick, and they are concerned that I am going to get them sick if they see me exhale my vapor. They are my kids, and I don't want them to think it is ok to become nicaddicted like I did.
As for the heated discussion about the college classroom, I would not expect anyone to think it is ok to vape where it would potentially be a distraction to others. I have no experience with the big boy equipment, just seen the gigantic puffs of vapor that the can produce on the exhale. Imagine sitting behind someone, you are trying to take notes, and all the sudden this person pulls out a crome plated lava tube and starts billowing clouds of vape. Just saying, most of the time distracting behaviors are looked down upon in a school type situation.
Take care.
Thank you for making this comment. I mean no ill intent and I applaud you and those in support of CASAA for the work you do on behalf of the vaping community, it can't be easy.
I frequently manage corporate fundraisers for several charities (among other things), I can imagine the lack of understanding you come across, I am often met with more than a fair share. However, the notion of every single donor wearing slogans and banners on their sleeve just to prove they are doing some thing for the benefit of others, is slightly overreaching. A number of my largest benefactors have strict confidentiality policies. I would personally love for them to openly admit their support, but ultimately the bottom line is - it's their choice.
Personally, I think Courtesy, Evaluation of Situation and Environment, most importantly Education is key. The old adage ' you will catch more flies with a spoonful of honey than with a gallon of vinegar' springs to mind.
Meaning, an over zealous, aggressive stance on Vaping as a Right in any public or private residence with complete disregard to or respect for the public or inhabitants therein is not going to gain any ground with the people one would like to influence the most. This stance has been reiterated on these platforms all too often - "Just do it regardless!" - will not gain friends or influence people.
Furthermore, some people can't or don't want to wade into possible confrontational situations. Being the only person vaping can be a very lonely, uncomfortable place, considering most people don't really like to bring attention to themselves, and as ex-smokers already suffer from some form of guilt, no matter how misguided that guilt may be now, particularly if all and sundry are passing filthy looks and comments.
Nor do I condon vaping in front of minors, I didn't whilst smoking, I wouldn't begin now. Not because what I'm doing is wrong per se, but because I don't want them to grow up and do the same (smoking or vaping). I vape because I am a nicotine addict, because I was a smoker and vaping gives me the most satisfaction, as well as being the safer option.
This may not be the right approach, but one has to do what one is most comfortable with, blatantly assuming it's all okay isn't entirely plausible to me.
I think we are on the same page on most of this discussion. As I always state: vape openly BUT respectfully. I don't vape in elevators (as least not if anyone else is riding with me), church or a restrurant where the patrons are almost on top of each other. And when in a gathering, I never blow large plums of vaper around. And I ask and explain/educate when it's obviously the thing to do.
I don't think your example of "wearing slogans" applies when it comes to supporting CASAA on the ECF forum. This is a "vaping" forum. This is EXACTLY the place to have a CASAA banner. And not to "blow one's horn" but to educate new people about CASAA and how important their difficult efforts are on all of our behalf. Except for myself and a few other vets, I never see one year+ vapers, who provide advice in the new members section, ever mention CASAA or the need to support them and why. How hard would it be to show support for CASAA and educate new people in the largest VAPING forum in the world? And if all the people on this forum who say they support CASAA actually did, they wouldn't have to be struggling to stay afloat. And if each of us who do support CASAA would make an effort to get just one new person to join CASAA, their membership would increase significantly.
Good comments. I think your positions fits well with: vaping openly BUT respectfully. (and with common sense)
Im not sure why you are Surprised that so few people Monetarily Support CASAA.
When so Few People even Support this Forum that gives CASAA a place to Spread their word and to ask for Support.
When people who supposidly support CASAA won't even let others know that they do or explain to new vapers the importance of CASAA, then it is less surprising but still self-defeating. I also understand the difference in importance between a place for people to chat and an organization that actively fights for others rights.
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Personally, and coming from a promotional perspective, I think CASAA's membership awareness campaign is slightly flawed. Yes, CASAA have a presence on almost all the forums regarding vaping, but seems to overlook the areas where they could raise greater awareness and funding on larger commercially viable platforms.
Having spent the best part of an afternoon searching just a few of forum suppliers websites, I have not seen a CASAA badge or link advertised on any of them, why? Have they been approached? Would CASAA have a link page for such sponsors on their site? CASAA has a 'caring companies' page, and plenty of business owners (not vaping related) are members of ECF, what criteria must they meet to feature? as for online vaping suppliers, what's in it for them?
When looking at the donation page, I can choose various monthly amounts, but no nominal annual subscription, surely 10% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
Furthermore, when searching for something vaping related why does CASAA not come up? even when searching 'electronic cigarette' on google, bing or yahoo, CASAA does not feature.
Are CASAA members really required to a have great big banner as their signature post, rather than a small icon, do they have that as an option? I also believe and seriously no offence meant, "CASAA fights for vapers" is too aggressive and defensive a slogan, it feels negative and it puts people off.
CASAA is a pro-action group, seeking to engage vapers and the community at large in a positive, forward thinking manner, yet CASAA's charm offensive is lacking.
Forum members are regularly slammed with: donate to CASAA, we fight for your right to vape and if you don't, and vaping is banned, you'll be sorry. That is one big stick.
YET, when the "Massachusetts needs your HELP" thread came up so many members from all over the USA and rest of the world did their bit to try and help.
It's not the what, it's the how.
I totally understand where you're coming from, and appreciate what you are trying to achieve, even so, as someone viewing it from outside the box, I think the issue could be approached in a more diverse and inclusive manner.
When I'm in restraints, I just ask my man to put a 78mm automatic with a full carto in my mouth. Then I blatantly vape away.
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Let Me Clarify a Few Things.
Just because I Monetarily Contribute to an Organization Doesn't Mean that I 100% Support ALL of the Views of that Organization. And it sure as Heck Doesn't Mean that I Support ALL of the Views of All of an Organizations Members.
Just because a Member of the ECF has a CASAA Banner (Which BTW I Don't See because I Turn Off Banners on All Forums) Doesn't mean that that Their Views Are or Are Not aligned with Mine. Or even Aligned with CASAA 100% of the Time for that matter.
I don't know ANY Organization who Views are 100% Excepted by All People. It's just not a Black and White, One Size Fits All World.
I think that CASAA does some Outstanding work. Here is an Good Example and there are Many More...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...es-70-wholesale-price-ban-sales-minors-3.html
I say that it is a Good Example not because my Motivation is to keep e-Liquids Tax Free. Tax Free e-Liquids is a Fantasy and a Non-Winnable Fight. No, it is a Good Example because Taxation Without Representation Is Tyranny. We need Organizations like CASAA to Express the Will of e-Cigarette Users in our Quasi-Democratic Society.
I will continue to Monetarily Support CASAA Not Because I agree with All of their Members Views but for its Work in Representing e-Cigarette in City/State/Federal Policy Decision making Process.
Monetarily Supporting the ECF is Similar.
The ECF is a Fantastic Forum and without it, we Wouldn't be having this Discussion or have a Place for CASAA Member to Place their Banners. How else would Groups Like CASAA their Message Out?
And How would Vaper's know of Pending Legislation that could Dramatically Change the way they Use e-Cigarettes?
But the ECF is So Much More than a Place to Discuss Matters of e-Cigarette Policies, Learn about Pending Legislation or to Hang Banners. It is a Place where People from all over the World, All Walks of Life and the Entire Gamut of Views can come to tap into a Wealth of Information about e-Cigarettes. A place where People with More Experience can those who Have Less.
It is Also a Social Site were people come to Chat and to see Friends.
Whereas the Choice for Me to Monetarily Support a Political Activist Group may involve Many Consideration. The Choice to Support the ECF is a No-Brainer. Without the ECF I Wouldn't have Quit Smoking. Throw Everything Else the ECF Offers Out, Quitting Smoking was More Than Enough becoming a Supporting ECF Member.
It's Sad in a way that more People do Not Choose to Monetarily Support the ECF.
I like to think that Many members are just Passing thru and Don’t Plan to Use all that the ECF has to Offer so they don't feel a Need to Monetarily Support the ECF. That or maybe Money is Tight Right Now ( I Know how that is ! ) and when things get Better for them that they will Become a Supporting Member.
The CASAA Board of Directors is all volunteer vapers and not very many. They have an open conference call every other Sunday that you can join and make suggestions, etc. I'm sure they would welcome your input and experience.
Considering how well they have done testifying before politicians and providing knowledge to these decision makers when this is not what they do for a living, I think they have done quite well. I know they would welcome all the help they can get. But with the non-willingness of vapers to even mention the term "CASAA" on ECF, I think their job is thankless. They shouldn't have to smooth-talk people on ECF into supporting the only organization trying to keep vaping alive. I know if vaping is banned or severly restricted, I will have no sympathy for those who just sat on their hands, kept quite and supported the idea that vaping and smoking are basically the same thing and should be viewed that way.
First, I really don't see the "clarification". Based on your comments, one could surmise (possibly incorrectly) that because you don't agree with all the views of CASAA and just some of them, that you supposidly support them monetarily but won't advocate to others to join and support them. Considering CASAA's biggest need is more supporting members, there appears to be a significant dichotomy in your position.
And the one thing I agree with in your long statement, is that times are difficult economically. And if one has to choose what they can monitarily support and what they can't, I would rather support an organization that is fighting actively to keep vaping alive. Not that I don't appreciate what ECF provides. But I believe they also get revenue from business sponsors unlike CASAA.
Have you ever consider that Maybe ECF memberss do Not Vocally Support CASAA because they are Turned Off by some "Members" of CASAA who Constantly Recite the Litany " vaping and smoking are basically the same thing and should be viewed that way" just because their Views and not 100% Aligned with the Views of an Individual?
An Individual who just happens to be a Member of CASAA.
I certainly hope this isn't like my gym memberships
Good God I Hope Not!
It took me Months to get LA Fitness to stop sending me Bills Once I Quit.
LOL
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