Ultimately, vaping is much less complicated and less stressful than young family members attempting to afford for early hospice care and making funeral arrangements. That's the black and white of it.
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Vaping is way to complicated!
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I think those "complications" are the details that make vaping into a full blown hobby instead of just a habit. And what makes this forum so popular.
I am the proof that its not case! I started vaping because I wanted to "smoke" more. I wated to be able to "smoke" in the appartement withoutnmy girlfriend dumping me... Next thing you know I said! This thing taste way better than smoke and voila! switch over night when I got my first ego kit.
I agree with the OP - it can be complicated. And to be honest, this forum can make it seem *very* complicated. I remember coming here the first time and clicking on a couple of threads where people were looking for suggestions on what to buy. Heck, I thought they were talking a different language or something.
So how did I get into vaping? We finally got a local (within 20 miles) store and I went there. Yes, they sold me an overpriced ego setup and some really terrible juice but - heck, they were here and answered my questions in simple English and showed me different setups, etc., etc. Then I came back to this forum and things started falling into place.
And I still use my egos and clearos and I'm perfectly satisfied with them (though now I pay a lot less for them). And I'm getting into DIY'ing (which I really enjoy) and I'm having a blast!!
So how did I get into vaping? We finally got a local (within 20 miles) store and I went there. Yes, they sold me an overpriced ego setup and some really terrible juice but - heck, they were here and answered my questions in simple English and showed me different setups, etc., etc. Then I came back to this forum and things started falling into place.
And I still use my egos and clearos and I'm perfectly satisfied with them (though now I pay a lot less for them). And I'm getting into DIY'ing (which I really enjoy) and I'm having a blast!!
For me the problem wasn't lack of simplicity. Ego battery and a clearo, and I was good to go. "What ohm heads do I need? Dunno, I'll order a couple and try". However, these simple systems were never to my liking in one way or another. Had to go RBA. Not thats a learning curve.
I wish someone could just pick up something, in the size they want, and get the same performance as I get from my RBAs. I almost gave up at first due to inconsistent gear, not due to vaping in itself being "bad".
I'm honestly having a hard time recommending gear to potential starters. Besides lack of consistent performance, main reason I ditched the "simple" systems is that I believe they are designed with no concern for human health. Carcinogenic plastics, solders, glues, etc etc. I don't think it's right of me to recommend something I believe to be toxic in the long term. Neither do I want those interested to continue their cig habit. Major dilemma, and I honestly don't know what to think. On the other hand, I'm very happy to see MFGs coming up with more pyrex and steel gear aimed at the beginners. Pyrex cartos and clearos.
I want peoples first piece of equipment to show them the full potential of vaping, with the least amount of problems, and the lowest possible chance of replacing one poison with another. (Dissolved plastic, etc)
I know if tried to explain what and why RBA to a starter, they'd implode. I certainly would.
I wish someone could just pick up something, in the size they want, and get the same performance as I get from my RBAs. I almost gave up at first due to inconsistent gear, not due to vaping in itself being "bad".
I'm honestly having a hard time recommending gear to potential starters. Besides lack of consistent performance, main reason I ditched the "simple" systems is that I believe they are designed with no concern for human health. Carcinogenic plastics, solders, glues, etc etc. I don't think it's right of me to recommend something I believe to be toxic in the long term. Neither do I want those interested to continue their cig habit. Major dilemma, and I honestly don't know what to think. On the other hand, I'm very happy to see MFGs coming up with more pyrex and steel gear aimed at the beginners. Pyrex cartos and clearos.
I want peoples first piece of equipment to show them the full potential of vaping, with the least amount of problems, and the lowest possible chance of replacing one poison with another. (Dissolved plastic, etc)
I know if tried to explain what and why RBA to a starter, they'd implode. I certainly would.
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I agree 100%. It *is* too complicated and it keeps most people out. The sad part is that the cigalikes are usually pretty bad, so they try it and go back to tobacco. The websites don't help all that much either; most of them display a huge list of parts on their home page. Terrible UX...
I, like pretty much everyone else here, have convinced others to try vaping. I have to sit down with every one of them for 20+ minutes and explain everything. It's not like it's terribly complicated once you have some experience, but for most people it is just too much.
I don't mind it, but I'm an engineer... most don't have the patience or ability to research this stuff on their own.
I, like pretty much everyone else here, have convinced others to try vaping. I have to sit down with every one of them for 20+ minutes and explain everything. It's not like it's terribly complicated once you have some experience, but for most people it is just too much.
I don't mind it, but I'm an engineer... most don't have the patience or ability to research this stuff on their own.
A Ecig ts basically just a wire wrapped around a string and heated with a battery.
Yes, they are exactly that, but are both pieces "510" compatible? Will there be airflow when I screw the top onto the bottom? Why does this "cartomizer" thingy taste burnt? Why do I need a syringe? What the crap is PG/VG? Why do I have to know this?!
It's a lot to take in for people who are already skeptical. Distributors could really simplify the process by using laymen's terms and creating more bundles. Want something that tastes like a Malboro with a battery that lasts all day? Here, buy this. Want more throat hit? Here, use this liquid instead of that.
They can still post the more technical info for people like us, but there's no reason anyone should need to know Ohm's law to get a good vape, at least not at first.
I actually quit with cig alikes and they have their place, they are easy, they "feel" right when first quiting and they are light. Only down side is lack of battery charge. Egos are a great step up, longer charge and they are still so portable. I still use egos more than my provari because they are just so darn handy! I also rely on cartos more than any other delivery system, because they are easy and very portable. I drip when I want a best vape, I use carto tanks when I want a long vape. I use clearos just for a different vape here and there. I keep my set up pretty simple and as a handy grab and go thing for me 
So it can be easy! bnrk
So it can be easy! bnrk
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Heh solid reminder. It was more to it than just picking a battery and a clearo. I may have underestimated the confusion in my previous post.
Sounds like you need the Eroll,if my 75 year old Mom can vape within 5 minutes after unboxing, anyone can and i ''showed'' her over the phone.
First trial with e-cigs was bunk. Lucky for friends and family, I'm willing to be the guinea pig because I'm that interested in it. Second time around has been better; I invested more time in research and that has made all the difference. Now I don't feel like I've wasted my money (with the exception of some e-liquids, of course.) My dad tells me I'm obsessed, but I'm totally fine with that so long as it gives him a better idea of what he wants in order to kick his 30+ year analog habit. Bought him a passthrough to use on his 3hr commutes to and from work for Father's Day in the hopes that he'd at least quit smoking in his car for now. He also enjoys the benefits of trying all of my liquids. Honestly, though, I'm still enjoying my cig-a-like. It definitely serves its purpose and it less promiscuous than my VV, which I use at home. Every time a stranger asks, I tell them to do their research. It's not so much that it's terribly complicated, but rather has a more personal learning curve than cigarettes.
My dad tells me I'm obsessed, but I'm totally fine with that so long as it gives him a better idea of what he wants in order to kick his 30+ year analog habit. Bought him a passthrough to use on his 3hr commutes to and from work for Father's Day in the hopes that he'd at least quit smoking in his car for now. He also enjoys the benefits of trying all of my liquids. Honestly, though, I'm still enjoying my cig-a-like. It definitely serves its purpose and it less promiscuous than my VV, which I use at home. Every time a stranger asks, I tell them to do their research. It's not so much that it's terribly complicated, but rather has a more personal learning curve than cigarettes.I was speaking as a theoretical newbie... I have a pretty good grasp on vape technology.
You're Mom is lucky to have you. However, when I first began I didn't have anyone to talk to. I did a few searches and ended up with a cigalike. A bad one. I didn't want the huge PV's because they looked "goofy".
Well... it didn't work out. I went back to smoking. A few months later I decided to give it another go. I decided on a kgo and a CE2 and quickly upgraded to a nova on a spinner. It was great and I haven't smoked since. Now I like RBA's because, well... I like tinkering. But many others would not have tried again. They would have probably given up after one bad cigalike experience, not knowing what they were missing out on.
There are so many bad products out there that you have to either A) get lucky the first time, or B) no someone who already has the knowledge to steer you in the right direction.
My point is that we can do better. Distributors, specifically, can do better to make it more palatable for those with no clue and no one to turn to.
I agree that distributors should work on their appeal to newbies. Layman's terms or reduced jargon for starters. I think it's also wise to advise people on getting the right nicotine level to help them switch. That was the most important thing for me...after that it was trial and error to find my ADV, finish my setup, etc.
Hell, I still don't understand the whole volts/ohms/watts deal. Doesn't stop me. So far, I haven't needed to understand them. I press the button and vape.
*love* that idea, may actually work out for 808's... i love to go hiking/camping, so something to consider!! thanks!!
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