Vaping is way to complicated!

[SissySpike]

Yes, but im intimidated by my HAM radio as well. I think once the newness wears off it wont be so bad. I have a bad habit of reading way to much into things, which usually makes uncomplicated things more complicated than they really are. The more I learn I think the easier it will get, just like with most things. A lot of new stuff can appear complicated until you try it yourself and learn otherwise. I'll get there eventually.

Cheers!

I think you hit the nail on the head the equipment is not that complicated we are what is complicated;-) IMO the learning and youtubing, research, hours of looking threw vape porn, and fiddling helped at first kept my hands and mind occupied while I was adjusting from the switch from tobacco to vape.

I can see some people just dont want to be bothered with learning all of the ins and outs. So with all of the products Im sure that person would feel overwhelmed and frustrated. But If you want to quit smoking its a very small price to pay.

 

[jkd916]

Out and about, I use my cig-a-like. I still love it a month in. Granted, I have my VV and my eGo, and most of the time I carry all three with me. The cig-a-like is the easiest to explain every time; eGo is, too, but smokers are intimidated by the size of it, unfortunately. People are often drawn to the look of the cig-a-like, as it looks like a cigarette holder (most often told it reminds them of Breakfast at Tiffany's) and it's more inconspicuous than the other two. Most of the newbies I've talked to aren't looking for big batteries, tanks, etc. They want what is comfortable to them.

 

[e-pipeman]

Vaping isn't complicated but people are. The danger is that the newbie will read posts on advanced topics and get overwhelmed. The great thing about the hobby is that it appeals to all sorts of different people. Some of those people got Phillips Electronic Engineer sets for Christmas as kids and love mech mods and rebuilding. Some of those people want a "set-it-and-forget-it" device. No problem - all styles served in the current vaping world(more options than ever before) and a bucketload of advice on this forum. Which is nice.

 

[jimrug1]

It is a good thing to help people understand, but stating that those who don't make an effort to learn the lingo don't deserve ecigs is IMHO going against the fundamental reason for ecigs, which is to save lives by getting off tobacco cigs. Myself, I love to learn new things but for some they just want the simplicity of screwing on a carto and puffing away. If they don't understand, or even care to understand what Ohms law is or the difference between a cartomizer, clearomizer or tank that is perfectly fine, just as long as they find something that works for them. If that something is cig-a-like that is fine. Just making the switch is all that matters when it comes down to it.

I certainly agree. You don't have to know how to rebuild an engine to be able to drive a car. Just because you don't know how to rebuild an engine doesn't mean you don't deserve to drive a car.

Admittedly though, it was the terminology that really intimidated me at first. My head was spinning. I could read ten posts and not have the first clue what anyone was talking about. Then you get up the guts to ask a question about a start kit and you get 30 different answers. Get this connection, No get that connection, buy a cigalike, no skip past that, your wasting your money. etc, etc. WOW!! I am more confused than I was before... LOL I have noticed that sometimes when a complete noob asks a question, less experienced (but with just enough knowledge to be dangerous) vapors jump in and try to explain a concept using the exact terminology that is confusing the asker to begin with. It reminds me of the saying "You don't really understand something until you can explain it to your grandmother."

I eventually ordered a twist kit and everything came clear. After all the confusion and the talk about the electronic components of an ecig, all I really had to do was pour the liquid in and push a button .... LOL

 

[JessicaS]

I certainly agree. You don't have to know how to rebuild an engine to be able to drive a car. Just because you don't know how to rebuild an engine doesn't mean you don't deserve to drive a car.

Admittedly though, it was the terminology that really intimidated me at first. My head was spinning. I could read ten posts and not have the first clue what anyone was talking about. Then you get up the guts to ask a question about a start kit and you get 30 different answers. Get this connection, No get that connection, buy a cigalike, no skip past that, your wasting your money. etc, etc. WOW!! I am more confused than I was before... LOL I have noticed that sometimes when a complete noob asks a question, less experienced (but with just enough knowledge to be dangerous) vapors jump in and try to explain a concept using the exact terminology that is confusing the asker to begin with. It reminds me of the saying "You don't really understand something until you can explain it to your grandmother."

I eventually ordered a twist kit and everything came clear. After all the confusion and the talk about the electronic components of an ecig, all I really had to do was pour the liquid in and push a button .... LOL

Yup, that's me as well. I haven't ventured into the AV territory yet since it seemed one had to be an electrical engineer. Of course, being in the IT business, us geeks are not without our lingo either. I think you could fit an entire course of material just learning the lingo. When I first started watching all those YouTube vids on egos and RBAs I hear them talk about how it was just as simple as wrapping Kanthal around silica wick...Yea, sure. I was thinking WTH is Kanthal? Then I hear them talk about the beauty rings for an ego. And then there was the condom fill method. Sounded like a Freudian slip. LOL. Anyhow, after a lot of googling and short online electrical engineering vids to learn about resistance and Ohms law, I still prefer to pour juice in a clearo and push the button.

 

[BennyAdeline]

It's as complicated as you want it to be.

I'm into ease of use. VV battery + clearo + juice = fun!

I'll try different clearos and I like to buy juices, but thats as far as I go.

As long as you are dodging the analogs, you're doing it right!

 

[Sackskin]

It's simple...

Go to a seven-eleven,

Buy some cigarettes and a lighter



and BLAM!!!

There's your starter kit!


I remember being extremely overwhelmed when I first started vaping: "What do you mean Ohm's Law? Are you kidding me!"

But then, I got super into it... A little to much actually, ask my girlfriend!

Now when I hear Pbusardo saying stuf like: "HH 357 2.0Ω long barrel on a Provari set for 3.7 volts." I know exactly what he is talking about... That jargon talk sound pretty basic to me now. But it is still jargon and techno talk.

Do you think some people are so overwhelmed by all this blabber that they will turn away and keep smoking?

It was confusing and still is...the more time I spend on here the more I learn though! I quit smoking analogs and that's all that matters to me.

 

[SissySpike]

Every sport, hobby, trade, has its own lingo. I think since so much interaction is in a forum between vapors we tend to shorten things for typing.
Like throw an AW bat in that Mech mod @ a 1.5 ohm coil on your geny and ribbon work's better on a 400 mesh wick with 70/30 juice. OR Panys work just as well.

Im sure the super puter in Utah is looking at my code I just wrote for terrorist activity's;-)

 

[e-pipeman]

Every sport, hobby, trade, has its own lingo. I think since so much interaction is in a forum between vapors we tend to shorten things for typing.
Like throw an AW bat in that Mech mod @ a 1.5 ohm coil on your geny and ribbon work's better on a 400 mesh wick with 70/30 juice. OR Panys work just as well.

Im sure the super puter in Utah is looking at my code I just wrote for terrorist activity's;-)

They will now that you've used the "t" word.

 

[m00nshake]

Okay, let's look at why this is why it can get confusing for newcomers.

I've had co-workers who tried vaping from my mod, like it, and wanted to try a simple mod for themselves. They did not know what to buy. So I made them a list:

2 Ego batteries, a few packs of 510 cartomizers, a couple of drip tips, a charger, some e-liquid. I found links to exactly which items I recommended and then pasted them under each item. I gave them examples of different e-liquid companies that I like what size/strength liquid to buy, and to buy several kinds just in case they don't like one. I explained that with e-cigs, stocking up is key because you don't want to run out of something necessary and not have an on-hand replacement. I told them not to worry about what each piece does, that I will teach them how everything works once they get it.

Now, I'd print this paper out and hand it to them or send it to them as an e-mail. With the links, it would be about half a page long. In order to get started, they'd have to buy all the stuff on that list and then choose different liquids and wait for it to come in the mail.

And this is with one person guiding them and telling them exactly what to buy. And it was still overwhelming for them, when they are coming from something that is as easy as going to a convenient store, buying a pack, pulling out a cigarette, lighting it with a lighter.

Now can you imagine someone who comes to this forum for the first time? Even posting in the newbie section will normally get you a ton of different opinions, which can lead to confusion and frustration. So what's the solution?

How about an article that tells exactly what to buy to start, how much to buy, and goes over all of the basics, so it doesn't have to be pieced together from different pieces. Then make that a sticky on the TOP of the New Member's Forum.

Now, I know, one of the stickies down towards the bottom links to this:

Best e-cigarette

...and it's a good article. It suggests an Ego starter kit for your first e-cig. But which Ego? There are different kinds. It doesn't go into what else is necessary, it simply states it can be used with a cartomizer or atomizer. It doesn't go into what strengths of nic liquid for a beginner, getting an extra battery in case the first one dies, suggestions on where to buy this stuff, or anything else.

Maybe a more complete guide should be created for "the best first e-cig." I might just make this a project and create such a guide. One that you don't have to piece together a bunch of different information or get confused about, just buy what it says and follow the steps, and then you're set.

What do all of you think?

 

[e-pipeman]

O.K. All a newbie really needs is 4 ego batteries (as many mAh as possible but not a twist) , an old fashioned LR 510 atomiser, a drip tip, ego cone and a bottle of e-liquid with some samplers. Spares for all of these and two chargers. That's it.

 

[jimrug1]

Every sport, hobby, trade, has its own lingo. I think since so much interaction is in a forum between vapors we tend to shorten things for typing.
Like throw an AW bat in that Mech mod @ a 1.5 ohm coil on your geny and ribbon work's better on a 400 mesh wick with 70/30 juice. OR Panys work just as well.

Im sure the super puter in Utah is looking at my code I just wrote for terrorist activity's;-)

Yep.. that's what Im talkin about. And thats how a lot of vapors try to explain things to noobs. After a year, I still don't know half of what you just said ...lol Just tell me where to pour in the juice, and what button turns it on ... ;-)~

 

[e-pipeman]

Yep.. that's what Im talkin about. And thats how a lot of vapors try to explain things to noobs. After a year, I still don't know half of what you just said ...lol Just tell me where to pour in the juice, and what button turns it on ... ;-)~

O.K. All a newbie really needs is 4 ego batteries (as many mAh as possible but not a twist) , an old fashioned LR 510 atomiser, a drip tip, ego cone and a bottle of e-liquid with some samplers. Spares for all of these and two chargers. That's it.

 

[SissySpike]

Yep.. that's what Im talkin about. And thats how a lot of vapors try to explain things to noobs. After a year, I still don't know half of what you just said ...lol Just tell me where to pour in the juice, and what button turns it on ... ;-)~

We should have a rule no abbreviations or vape lingo in the New Members forum. I suppose I should go in there more but I dont for just that reason. Not much I use is noob friendly and I dont keep up with off the shelf products that much any longer. I just wait till they turn the corner and start rebuilding or mod hunting is when I chime in.
It is so much easier to take someone to a shop where they can try stuff instead of telling them what to order.

 

[SissySpike]

O.K. All a newbie really needs is 4 ego batteries (as many mAh as possible but not a twist) , an old fashioned LR 510 atomiser, a drip tip, ego cone and a bottle of e-liquid with some samplers. Spares for all of these and two chargers. That's it.

What about the drive to work in city traffic you just caused a wreck

 

[djezewski]

Personally after 2 months I find that 3 batteries work the best for me so and 3 clearomizer or tanks ready to switch off with flavors. I still though would like a car charger. I still am enjoying the tobacco flavors as perhaps my taste buds still are not ready for much else. Oh and let's not forget a lanyard.

 

[SissySpike]

Personally after 2 months I find that 3 batteries work the best for me so and 3 clearomizer or tanks ready to switch off with flavors. I still though would like a car charger. I still am enjoying the tobacco flavors as perhaps my taste buds still are not ready for much else. Oh and let's not forget a lanyard.

If you mean ego type batteries you can puck up a cigarette lighter to USB adapter at pretty much any gas station.

 

[Barbara21]

I'm a relatively new vaper (two months). I use egos and clearomizers, which is about as simple as it comes. But figuring out that this was a simple, workable system for me took literally hours of trawling through this forum. Everyone had a different advice and I had no way to judge the relative merits of each suggestion.

 

[e-pipeman]

What about the drive to work in city traffic you just caused a wreck

True. But then a true newb (as we all were once) is trying it out at home before going out with it. The next step is to put an Evod on the Ego and venture outdoors. It just works imho.

P.S. You have to suggest dripping in a simple way first so that people understand what flavour can be. Then they get a CE3 and realise what they're missing. The rest is up to them).

 

[lynch]

If you thought that way about the computer when you first got one you wouldnt be of been able to post . Just learn as you go, and read ECF for advice and to ask questions.