Vaping is way to complicated!

[JessicaS]

I point new vapers to a company like Smokeless Image, Halo or Vapor 4 Life. They have starter kits at reasonable prices that have what you need and they also have ego-type things, and even VV batts for when they get comfortable with the concept and are feeling adventurous. That was what I did when I first started out.

 

[djezewski]

well yes, the car adapter kit- USB car adapter with the ego USB cable. I want one the leave in the car all the time...all that plugging and uplugging stuff I will be too apt to lose the charger. They are cheap enough.

 

[e-pipeman]

Ego batteries work.

 

[Penn]

I'm a relatively new vaper (two months). I use egos and clearomizers, which is about as simple as it comes. But figuring out that this was a simple, workable system for me took literally hours of trawling through this forum. Everyone had a different advice and I had no way to judge the relative merits of each suggestion.

I hear that. The biggest thing I wasn't getting in the meshing of information was atomizers aren't needed for a clearo. The only person I was able to ask (since I didn't join here right away) wasn't even aware that cartridges with separate atomizers existed so he didn't understand what I was asking. It wasn't until I saw a ce5 type clearo disassembled in a pic that I realized clearos were similar to cartos in respect to being self contained like a carto.

I initially tried finding a drip system without knowing what it was called since that is all I had seen (I didn't know how to contact the guy who showed it to me). It wasn't until after I had a clearo I found out the whole story with those and I'm glad I didn't do that.

 

[mare ze dotes]

You guy/gals have inspired me to get out my camera user manual and read it. It has 2746997 features and I only wanted to take pictures .

Does anyone remember way back when, The VCR came out. No one could figure out how to program them?

 

[e-pipeman]

I hear that. The biggest thing I wasn't getting in the meshing of information was atomizers aren't needed for a clearo. The only person I was able to ask (since I didn't join here right away) wasn't even aware that cartridges with separate atomizers existed so he didn't understand what I was asking. It wasn't until I saw a ce5 type clearo disassembled in a pic that I realized clearos were similar to cartos in respect to being self contained like a carto.

I initially tried finding a drip system without knowing what it was called since that is all I had seen (I didn't know how to contact the guy who showed it to me). It wasn't until after I had a clearo I found out the whole story with those and I'm glad I didn't do that.

There are very old-fashioned 510 atomisers that you put a drip tip on and can just drip into. They are excellent - especially if you can find low resistance versions, which work very well on an Ego battery. Because of the fashion for clearos there are fewer of them about, but if you find some - get them! Then tell me where you got them!

 

[Penn]

There are very old-fashioned 510 atomisers that you put a drip tip on and can just drip into. They are excellent - especially if you can find low resistance versions, which work very well on an Ego battery. Because of the fashion for clearos there are fewer of them about, but if you find some - get them! Then tell me where you got them!

I figured out how dripping worked after getting clearos. I have noticed you can't find those easily which is part of the confusion I was having back then. I will get one if I find one that isn't too expensive because I see the advantages but for all day or when on the go stopping to put a few drops in seems to me to be a hassle. Sitting in front of the TV or computer it wouldn't be so bad but most of my day is on the move.

edit - This is the site he said he got his stuff form, if I remember correct. Is this the original type?

 

[djezewski]

Yes. and compared to a couple years ago most people want the cool setup to be seen. My 28 YO wants them to see his PV. I want them to see my PV. They do do not want to look like they are smoking analogs anymore. Analogs now are almost taboo..unless you live in Hollywood My new one is an EE2 chrome with blue and red led lights..I'm rock' that one.

 

[e-pipeman]

For day-to-day chuck-it-in-a-bag vaping you can't beat an Evod imho.

 

[degnr8]

well yes, the car adapter kit- USB car adapter with the ego USB cable. I want one the leave in the car all the time...all that plugging and uplugging stuff I will be too apt to lose the charger. They are cheap enough.

You may want to get a passthrough (it runs your atomizer off of the cigarette lighter instead of your battery.) Fast tech has variable voltage models for $5

 

[jimbol]

I’ve been reading all this. It’s been said before but the people in this forum are, by far, the smallest percentage of the ecig market. About 90% of the users are buying the stuff in gas stations and Wal-Mart (although I can’t find where they sell them in my local one). That’s what gives Blu and Njoy 70% of the market just between those two. Online sales are heavily dominated by V2, Blu, Green Smoke, et. al, then we get to this forum. You can only find it if you hunt for it. Most new users don’t. They’re up on Facebook like it’s going to help. If they do find us, the simplest question has people driving them to the more complicated pieces. Simple sells.

I’ve always believed that things like the Vea and other EGO based equipment needs to get in the stores for the so-called general public to find more complete solutions. Who would have thought it, PLAYBOY is introducing a system that goes from cig-alike to EGO completed with prefilled cartos and clearos. Just found this this week:

Products | Playboy Premium Electronic Cigarettes

If they can get this into stores, I think it will increase the vaping community. Although the PLAYBOY name will likely put some folks off.

 

[degnr8]

Okay, for some reason it won't let me quote moonshake's post. I think the article is a good idea, but we need to give them options and explain the differences. Show them a cigalike set up with a pcc and explain they can refill their own carts then show them the ego set up with a clearo and with a tank and explain the advantages.

 

[StixNStones]

I point new vapers to a company like Smokeless Image, Halo or Vapor 4 Life. They have starter kits at reasonable prices that have what you need and they also have ego-type things, and even VV batts for when they get comfortable with the concept and are feeling adventurous. That was what I did when I first started out.

I've seen some of your other posts. Problem is that your recommending cig-a-likes. While the new vaper may like the look and feel of these they are not very good. They are simple but...they don't really produce a lot of vapor or flavor. And it is actually pretty expensive to buy these starter kits. I know, personally, through my own experience and others, that these actually turn a lot of people off of e-cigs. Some forever.

My very first experience was with a disposable. I hated it. I decided to look into e-cigs and the first things I found were the expensive starter kits that didn't really come with a lot of stuff (2 batteries, 5 cartridges, a charger) but cost upwards of $65. I refused to buy these. Both my brothers bought some of these kits and were both mad because they claim their cartridges "equal 2 packs". No they don't. One of my brothers still refuses to ever try my setup 'cause of these liars. Or the batteries die every 2-3 hours and if your not fully prepared you wind up getting stuck with dead batteries and nothing to vape.

This is why people like to recommend eGos and clearo or carto tanks. They're a lot cheaper. You can put together a great starter kit for around $40 bucks. They are also simple. Charge your batt, fill your tank, vape. The batteries will last a lot longer. VV is often recommended because it's also fairly easy to understand. Turn this switch until you taste burnt then turn it back down some.

If a certain route worked for you, that's great, but for newbies it's best to recommend the best bang for their buck to ensure they don't get jaded by inferior, overpriced products that are aimed at the uneducated.

 

[WattWick]

We should have a rule no abbreviations or vape lingo in the New Members forum.

I a perfect world, people would make auto-corrects for their abbreviations.

I do like, however, how ECF has these little hover-over pop-ups on the most common abbreviations (Like on the ECF I just typed, and this one.) On the other hand, I doubt a lot of people notice this.

(Abbreviated for sake of example.)

 

[Rocketpunk]

This is true. Playboy is indeed getting into the game. I wish I could say more about this, but unfortunately due to forum rules, I cannot elaborate.

I’ve been reading all this. It’s been said before but the people in this forum are, by far, the smallest percentage of the ecig market. About 90% of the users are buying the stuff in gas stations and Wal-Mart (although I can’t find where they sell them in my local one). That’s what gives Blu and Njoy 70% of the market just between those two. Online sales are heavily dominated by V2, Blu, Green Smoke, et. al, then we get to this forum. You can only find it if you hunt for it. Most new users don’t. They’re up on Facebook like it’s going to help. If they do find us, the simplest question has people driving them to the more complicated pieces. Simple sells.

I’ve always believed that things like the Vea and other EGO based equipment needs to get in the stores for the so-called general public to find more complete solutions. Who would have thought it, PLAYBOY is introducing a system that goes from cig-alike to EGO completed with prefilled cartos and clearos. Just found this this week:

Products | Playboy Premium Electronic Cigarettes

If they can get this into stores, I think it will increase the vaping community. Although the PLAYBOY name will likely put some folks off.

 

[Rocketpunk]

As an employee of the vaping industry, I can tell you... what is simple to you will stop other people dead in their tracks. I completely blew the mind of an older lady once by explaining the five click on-off feature of an eGo battery. Her mind couldn't wrap around that concept. Trying to explain how to fill and use a clearo to her was about as effective as talking to a fish. She eventually bought an eGo but I knew as soon as she left, epic failure was only minutes away...

I genuinely hate to say this, but vaping isn't for everyone. Some people are so luddite and anti-anything technical in nature that they just utterly refuse to try to learn and would rather kill themselves slowly in the process with real cigs, because it's easier.

Nothing is easier than lighting a cigarette, smoking it, and flicking the .... away. But as someone said, the vapers here on ECF represent a MINUTE amount of the vaping populace in general. Sadly, the vast majority are salt-of-the-earth people who are not very adept at technology (outside of cell phones), or (man, I may regret saying this), as educated as others. For every one vaper who intuitively gets this concept, there are dozens more who "want a thingy"...

Do you know how many times I've had to translate what a "thingy" means? A thingy could mean ANYTHING... from a clearo, to the wicks, to a drip tip, to basically anything. Everything is a "thingy". Nobody does research. Those who do are the very, VERY rare exception. It's sad, but true.

Trying to educate some people is almost impossible. I can tell instantly when I've lost somebody while trying to describe or explain how products work. They get this glassy stare in their eyes and I knew I just lost them...... Forget trying to explain the VV feature of a Twist to... well... just nevermind. I'm shutting up now...

 

[Hotwire]

Ego + tanks + find out what juice I like + clean attys weekly = easy.

 

[Equus5O]

Ego + tanks + find out what juice I like + clean attys weekly = easy.

Just that alone may be too much for some people. I know some of those people!

 

[jkd916]

I've seen some of your other posts. Problem is that your recommending cig-a-likes. While the new vaper may like the look and feel of these they are not very good. They are simple but...they don't really produce a lot of vapor or flavor. And it is actually pretty expensive to buy these starter kits. I know, personally, through my own experience and others, that these actually turn a lot of people off of e-cigs. Some forever.

That's not necessarily true. I love my V4L cig-a-like and use it almost exclusively outside of the house. When people ask me where they can get one, you're darn right I'm going to refer them to a company that has given me a product that I enjoy. Rather than advising them on which starter kit to buy, though, I usually just tell them to buy a battery and a charger and to get clearomizers and juice to use with them instead of cartridges, as I do. My cig-a-like lasts 8-10 hours after a full charge, so no problem with that, and I think the vapor production is great. Way better than some of the other more popular brands that I've tried. There are a lot of people out there who still enjoy their cig-a-likes for various reasons, so perhaps instead of damaging the reputation of the setup as a whole, you can just stick to telling people which particular vendors you didn't like. Vaping is mainly personal preference, anyway.

 

[patkin]

Yes, they definitely do. I've seen it in offline life. This is why I always recommended the simplest, most fiddle-free and user-friendly, startup. That's the eroll for cigalikes and ego C upgraded (PT or not) with cartomizers... even the Twist not knowing anything about voltages or ohms can be intimidating and result in dry hits... and punching or dealing with possible leaking can be discouraging. They can branch out later once they start enjoying vaping but with either of those two, they're more likely to stick with it and not go back. If you notice vendors, other than the ones for the seasoned vaper looking for hardware sites, only carry a few user-friendly kits to get their customers returning for juice.