Vaping loopholes, hardware, liquids and laws

[dezyner]

dezyner is right. Bongs are illegal, tobacco pipes are not. Again, marketing is everything.

yep. big marketing mistake, opened up the door to all kinds of goofy stuff, all based on that word "cigarette" and the perception. and then, just as bad as using that "cigarette" word was arguing that should be regulated like "tobacco cigarettes" instead of nipping it in the bud and arguing how dissimilar they are right then and there. the only two things they have in common are nicotine and oral delivery.

 

[Saintly1]

I heard maters got a tiny bit of nic in them so I've been trying extract! Tastes like burnt ragu!

ahh crap! There goes my idea for a bloody mary juice flavor!

 

[J.R. Bob Dobbs]

the fda is reading this thread..

now they know who you are...


look out your window and expect to see a black rotflcopter and hear on a megaphone "We want your nicotine!"

 

[Saintly1]

Nicquid has two uses: vaping and bug poison.

I just found something that could come up later. Right now there is only one company licensed to sell nicotine insecticide. That company has voluntarily forfeited their license. That goes into effect Jan. 1, 2014. After that vaping will be the only use for nicquid.

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2009/06/03/E9-12561/nicotine-product-cancellation-order#h-4

dezyner, and others, I think a reading of Title 21 USC Code, Section 863, would be useful here.

Also, it's worth checking the entry in Wikipedia here.

The point we were trying to make is that the wording of these regulations is very specific and very key to the interpretation. This is from the second link..

(d) "Drug paraphernalia'' defined

The term "drug paraphernalia'' means any equipment, product, or material of any kind which is primarily intended or designed for use in manufacturing, compounding, converting, concealing, producing, processing, preparing, injecting, ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing into the human body a controlled substance....

Tobacco is not a controlled substance so you can legally sell any of the items listed as long as it's used for tobacco or something other than a controlled substance. It's amazing how just a few simple words completely change an item without doing anything different with that item. I can legally buy a glass pipe right now if I wanted to as long as the vendor tells me I can't use it for anything illegal. It's that simple.

 

[J.R. Bob Dobbs]

I heard maters got a tiny bit of nic in them so I've been trying extract! Tastes like burnt ragu!

i wonder where mater hides his nicotine...hmmm

 

[Butters78]

i wonder where mater hides his nicotine...hmmm

Ha that made me smile. My 4 year old son is autistic, happy all the time though and he loves the movie cars. Has a bunch of the toys and what not.

 

[Tanti]

I worked in a pharmacy for 21 years and have seen what the FDA can do.
Since VG and PG and food flavors are all FDA approved for other things there isnt much they can do to them.
But what they can do is put a regulation back on Nicotine. Back before the patches and lozenges went over the counter, nic was regulated by prescription only for oral consumption or enternal use including the patches because they were absorbed threw the skin. Now for them to do this they would have to put all the other nic items back behind the counter. Drug companies arnt going to like that.

The other thing they can do is restrict who buys nicotine and what strenghts you can buy. 2.4% is the highest you can get from the other products for quitting analogs. So they can regulate how nic is sold from wholesale to manufactures. They can also regulate how its handled and kept. They can make the manufactures put ingredents on lables and have health and all the checks. That will bring the cost up and the average joe wont beable to be making the juice from their kitchen.

If they were to get the e-cig bundled with the rest of the things that are out there to help get you off analogs. Now the Feds know what kind of money is involved with this and they are going to want to get in onthe action, taxes taxes taxes... But if they do bundle it with the others then its has to be proven it gets you off analogs. That is years of trial studies and its very expensive for the companies that do it.

I really hope they just keep their nose out of it, this is the first thing ive found that really works for me, and ive tried all the other things the drugs companys had to offer. To bad they cant say its a suppliment like vitamins, and so many of the oral health products, they dont have to prove anything.

 

[Saintly1]

Thanks Tanti, it's nice to have people from the "inside" here for us to talk to.

 

[epelto]

Shelf life is 12 to 18 months on nic. I was gonna stock up after reading this thread. I guess I won't.

 

[dezyner]

Shelf life is 12 to 18 months on nic. I was gonna stock up after reading this thread. I guess I won't.

you'll have plenty of time before that happens, pretty sure. and if it does, there's always the freezer....that's my plan, 4 gallons of 100mg in the freezer. lol.

 

[bzmotoninja83]

yep yep yep

 

[JudeD]

Shelf life is 12 to 18 months on nic. I was gonna stock up after reading this thread. I guess I won't.

But shelf life doesn't mean it can't be used after that date, just that it loses a little of it's potency from that point on. I'd rather have gallons of nic juice that I bought at 24mg that has become 22mg or 18mg than have none because the FDA has banned it.