Vaping vs Smoking Equivalent Nicotine Intake - Does Vaping Cause Way Higher Nicotine Intake?
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@consultant you aren't looking very hard. Second listed on google, available in 0, 3, 6, 12mg.
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Can you provide a link to the any of the studies? We all know studies conducted or sponsored by the manufacturer (sometimes in a very roundabout way) are highly suspect due to the obvious bias. I love to find reliable facts with specific numbers. Right away when you say 50mg/ml and then say "cigarette smoking" I wonder what does "cigarette smoking" mean - unfiltered cigarettes or an ultra light?
I'm sure the absorption is different, I have no debate about that. But it appears so far, we aren't able to accurately quantify how much different.
There are other variables to smoking which should be taken into account too. Such as smoking indoors regularly would include passive smoking, which will increase the amount of nicotine intake quite dramatically. Depending on how much a smoker smoked indoors, they will continue to inhale tobacco smoke with every breathe.
Anyway, vaping too much nicotine some side effects would become apparent. Also, more than enough nicotine is much better than not enough. Not enough would see a vaper moving back to tobacco products.
Anyway, vaping too much nicotine some side effects would become apparent. Also, more than enough nicotine is much better than not enough. Not enough would see a vaper moving back to tobacco products.
No. Cigarettes contain far more nicotine than that. The amount printed on the package is how much is absorbed when you smoke one. You do not absorb all the nicotine in the e-liquid you vape, anymore than you absorb all the nicotine that's present in the tobacco in a cigarette.
The reason you got a lot of "I/we don't care" is that most of us here weren't social smokers, we were hard core smokers, and many of us had given up on ever being able to quit until we tried vaping. So we tend not to worry about how much nicotine we consume, provided it's enough to keep us from smoking.
Hi,
Ive come to understand through reading posts and threads on this and other vaping forums that most people that visit forums regularly are aware that they consume more mg's of nicotine vaping than they ever did using tobacco. Its simply not as great a revelation as you might think it is.
Most of the nic you use vaping goes to waste either through exhaling or through urination etc. Vaping isnt as efficient as cigarettes at delivering the nicotine so, you use more.
For the last 5yrs as a smoker I had about 9-10 cigs a day which worked out to about 10-12mg of nic used a day. Each one of those cigs contained about 10mg but I used about 1.2mg. When I started vaping I was using about 108mg of nic a day from about 6ml of 18mg juice, but still wanted a cigarette.
Now, 18months later I use about 11mg a day from about 3.6ml of 3mg juice. I got to that point by simply putting the vape down and vaping only when I felt like it rather than cultivating a habit of chain vaping.
If you are concerned about how much nic you are consuming use juice that has less mg's! Its readily available everywhere right down to 3mg and if you take up DIY you can mix up what ever dosage you are comfortable with. You dont have to use 35mg juice.
I think that its really up to you as to how much mg's you use and how much you vape. If you arent comfortable at where you are at simply reduce the amount you use.
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Not a scientific paper but it does go some way to explaining how cigs work.
How much nicotine do I receive from a cigarette?
How much nicotine do I receive from a cigarette?
This is almost if not impossible to measure. Think about all the variables involved for a minute.
One would have to measure blood plasma levels in people. That's been done, and the fact that nic is absorbed from vapor less efficiently than from smoke is what motivated Juul to create the product that they did (5% nic by weight, 59 mg/ml, protonated nic to make it palatable).
Yes, it's a fool's errand to try to compare nicotine absorption levels between smoking and vaping. Pretty pointless as well unless you're into navel gazing or spreading propaganda. Thankfully we have this marvelously evolved instrument called the human body with a balancing feedback loop that sends pleasure sensations until it's had enough, then increasingly violent sickness sensations when it's had too much. Most of us are able to strike a balance quite naturally.
If references are your thing, here you go, this article gives information on nicotine absorption, rates and delivery based on lab determinations. These are for cigarettes. I have no links off hand to vaping with new generation vaping products for comparison. you'll note that the article estimates roughly 1 mg of the 12 mg present in the amount of tobacco in a standard size cigarette was their determination that was absorbed.
Nicotine Chemistry, Metabolism, Kinetics and Biomarkers
Nicotine Chemistry, Metabolism, Kinetics and Biomarkers
It might be interesting to read the comparative studies for nicotine absorption by Russell et al. (1979) and follow up research by Benowitz et al. (Most notably 1988). Their studies compare blood nicotine levels after smoking and after chewing nicotine gum or using chewing tobacco (and other slow, oral release tobacco products).
Reading this side by side with Farsolinos' 2014 and 2015 studies on nicotine absorption shows very similar blood nicotine levels for vaping 18 mg/ml juice and a cigarette.
The difference is of course in the period that this level is kept up. For vaping, the level tends to creep up slowly and then to be kept there by the user for much longer. This effectively means there is a greater intake of nicotine.
As for how much nicotine is effectively absorbed from juice vs a cigarette? I don't think you will find that data* There are too many variables, both in the consumable, the way of consumption and in the way the user's body reacts.
It is more important to note how much people tend to consume and until which blood nicotine level they will keep consuming.
*Edit: good, 'independent' and complete data, sorry. There is some stuff out there.
Reading this side by side with Farsolinos' 2014 and 2015 studies on nicotine absorption shows very similar blood nicotine levels for vaping 18 mg/ml juice and a cigarette.
The difference is of course in the period that this level is kept up. For vaping, the level tends to creep up slowly and then to be kept there by the user for much longer. This effectively means there is a greater intake of nicotine.
As for how much nicotine is effectively absorbed from juice vs a cigarette? I don't think you will find that data* There are too many variables, both in the consumable, the way of consumption and in the way the user's body reacts.
It is more important to note how much people tend to consume and until which blood nicotine level they will keep consuming.
*Edit: good, 'independent' and complete data, sorry. There is some stuff out there.
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Often times folks try to compare apples to apples when actually it's apples to bacon.
If your bp aint all jacked up, pulse racing like a racing rabbit or you sleep ok at night don't sweat it.
Maybe think of it this way...every extra molecule you now take in from vaping nicotine used to be carbon monoxide from tobacco smoke.
If your bp aint all jacked up, pulse racing like a racing rabbit or you sleep ok at night don't sweat it.
Maybe think of it this way...every extra molecule you now take in from vaping nicotine used to be carbon monoxide from tobacco smoke.
Yes he can lower his nic, but he is probably mtl and only vaping 3mls per week, so if he lowers to 3mgs mtl at 3mls per week, I dont think that would cut it and with such a low amount of nic in his system, he might get some thoughts of cigs or increase his ml intake....its possible though a super low nic could work for him though
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I have no links to any independent studies of nic absorption between cigarettes and Juul. Here's a link to 2017 study comparing various devices and nic levels to cigarettes ... the short version, nothing equalled cigarettes for nicotine delivery, but the one that came closest in that study was Vuse using 48mg/ml.
Nicotine delivery to users from cigarettes and from different types of e-cigarettes
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You're just gonna make a long thread mate. The fact is not even paid or independent volunteer studies can provide 100% accurate details. All will be just averages. And the truth will still vary person to person. Like when I light a smoke when I'm playing a PC game, I just puff it once or twice and forget about it 'til it burn out. So did I consume a stick doing that? I mean, your body knows if you had enough. I'd say you or many of us consumes the same amount of nic when we were smoking and now that we are vaping. The approach is just vape and vape until the cravings go away. So when that happens, you know you had enough. And that is probably the same amount of nics you needed when you were smoking because your body just felt satisfied. Believe me, many of us here knows when we had too much. Or in my case even caffeine, in cola or coffee. In practice, you should too. So in the end, you will just consume the same, it's just the delivery system that's changed.
You're just gonna make a long thread mate. The fact is not even paid or independent volunteer studies can provide 100% accurate details. All will be just averages. And the truth will still vary person to person. Like when I light a smoke when I'm playing a PC game, I just puff it once or twice and forget about it 'til it burn out. So did I consume a stick doing that? I mean, your body knows if you had enough. I'd say you or many of us consumes the same amount of nic when we were smoking and now that we are vaping. The approach is just vape and vape until the cravings go away. So when that happens, you know you had enough. And that is probably the same amount of nics you needed when you were smoking because your body just felt satisfied. Believe me, many of us here knows when we had too much. Or in my case even caffeine, in cola or coffee. In practice, you should too. So in the end, you will just consume the same, it's just the delivery system that's changed.
If you're concerned, there are sub-ohm salts that have 0-6 mg nic.
I get the whole more convenient to vape thing even though it is verboten in many places like cigarettes.
I sneak puffs from my vape in dozens of places I would not dare light a cigarette. Elevators, public restrooms, hotel rooms, stuff like that there...
But my method leaves a hint of aroma at worst. The other evening I saw a group of young fellows (in their 20's) all meet in a parking lot. Everybody lit up a cigarette except one guy. They all puffed on their cigarettes and drank from bottles of beer. The one guy vaped. Each time he exhaled the crowd practically disappeared in his fog. My brother vapes in a day what takes me a week. I gave him a 30ml bottle of some yummy sauce and he asked if they sold bigger bottles because it didn't last him all weekend. He used to smoke about 20 ultra light cigarettes a day.
At one point I mixed a 35ml salt with a 3ml freebase of like flavors for about 19ml average. But what I learned over time was more nic was not the answer, at least for me. I just chain vape twice, maybe 3 times for what would be each drag from a cigarette. About ten to twelve puffs total per minute. After about a minute I no longer want to smoke. That's using a 3ml sauce at 70% vg.
I sneak puffs from my vape in dozens of places I would not dare light a cigarette. Elevators, public restrooms, hotel rooms, stuff like that there...
But my method leaves a hint of aroma at worst. The other evening I saw a group of young fellows (in their 20's) all meet in a parking lot. Everybody lit up a cigarette except one guy. They all puffed on their cigarettes and drank from bottles of beer. The one guy vaped. Each time he exhaled the crowd practically disappeared in his fog. My brother vapes in a day what takes me a week. I gave him a 30ml bottle of some yummy sauce and he asked if they sold bigger bottles because it didn't last him all weekend. He used to smoke about 20 ultra light cigarettes a day.
At one point I mixed a 35ml salt with a 3ml freebase of like flavors for about 19ml average. But what I learned over time was more nic was not the answer, at least for me. I just chain vape twice, maybe 3 times for what would be each drag from a cigarette. About ten to twelve puffs total per minute. After about a minute I no longer want to smoke. That's using a 3ml sauce at 70% vg.
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