Vaping where smoking is not prohibited

[Freckle]

I try my best to keep up with all the legislation news and topics. I see several are out to down right ban ecigs in their city, not just where smoking is prohibited. Right now there is a current city in Ma that is purposing a ban even on sales of ecigs and even snus. Well I bit my tongue long enough.


I don't understand why anyone feels the need to vape where smoking is prohibited! It is like you guys want to stir up a world of trouble just for plain out spite. Don't you realize this is why all these agencies are trying to do outright bans? You think by going into that store and vaping you are showing them cause well guess what it isn't smoking, there is nothing they can do! Well yeah maybe not today, but tomorrow not only you are effected but what about the future people that would of gone to vaping. They are now using the excuse cause it isn't regulated, that they are just going to ban it entirely.

Get your priorities straight people! You want to vape, be kind and courteous about it. Don't try to vape just cause you know there is no law. It only hurts other vapers along with future vapers.

I know if I didn't vape I would be smoking. I love vaping, love it and I be dern if I want to see it banned. I don't vape anywhere that smoking is prohibited. I am courteous. I don't try to make a big scene, well not out of my home and car I don't. Think about the people that have no earthly idea what vaping is, they think it is a cigarette or even some drug pipe.

I just don't understand why people can not control themselves long enough to wait to vape to get in an appropriate area. These spiteful games of well there is no law about it, is only going to hurt you and everyone else.

Sorry but I have held my tongue long enough, I am fed up with these bans. I seriously do not want to go back to smoking, and if I didn't have my vape, I would be smoking again! That is a very scary thought to me! I hate smoking! HATE IT!

end of rant....

 

[DC2]

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[Glen Snyder]

LOL, not again...This was on the front page as recently as today http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...discussion/447290-starbucks-vaping-story.html

I happen to agree with the OP, but will postpone posting any other thoughts until the food posts start.

 

[mare ze dotes]

I dont find this thought much different than the ones I have had. It is a valid conceren. I have read and learnd about the legislation and what lawful rights we have and dont have. Most of the positive arguments I agree with, some i wont be convinced of and some are are new things to be learned.

 

[JonnyB88]

I happen to agree with the OP, but will postpone posting any other thoughts until the food posts start.

We can't have delicious food posts starting in THIS thread too!

But, seriously, OP:
While most agree with you, you've worded it incorrectly. Where you said "prohibited" (except for your first paragraph), change it to "allowed" and your point makes sense. Or remove the "not."

As I said, I do agree with you, though.

 

[mare ze dotes]

Hi Glen. Can we at least talk about pizza this time? I am taco'ed out.

 

[Crash Moses]

Agreed...not again.

While I agree that one should not be allowed to vape everywhere vaping is not smoking and there are some public venues where it should not be an issue but the reason for these bans is not because someone decided to vape in the middle of Wal-mart.

These bans have entirely different sources. I recommend heading on over to CASAA to read up on the real reasons for these bans.

Damn....I bit.

Tacos Pizza anyone?

 

[Signal30]

You know what one of the things I learned that helped me stop drinking myself to death was? Acceptance. I accept that I cannot control what people think or do. Of a private business wants to not let us vape indoors, that's their choice and right. If someone wants to frolic around public places indoors screaming Vapers are people too, then God speed to them.

I cannot control people's thoughts, beliefs, and actions. But what I can do, is control my attitude towards those people and things I cannot control.

Let it ride and vape on.

 

[brock957]

Most here. Myself included agree with you.

 

[Freckle]

Hee Hee I did word it wrong, even in the title. I got it corrected where I could.

 

[ingerri]

LOL, not again...This was on the front page as recently as today http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...discussion/447290-starbucks-vaping-story.html

I happen to agree with the OP, but will postpone posting any other thoughts until the food posts start.

Hi Glen. Can we at least talk about pizza this time? I am taco'ed out.

ok I brought 3 its going to be a long night LOL

 

[Glen Snyder]

Went to a new place (for me) for pizza yesterday with out of town friends. The taco pizza (I'm serious, no lie) was deliciously awesome.

Crust Pizzeria Cape Coral

 

[VprNomi]

I agree with OP. Since when has the government been more interested in learning the facts about something that they have little knowledge of before they make it illegal? Let's say they happen to decide it is a better idea to get the facts about something they think is new (not specifically addressed in the law already), potentially dangerous, and growing in popularity among the public, before they just ban it - where would they determine those facts are best obtained from - the FDA? Politicians respond to lobbyists with big money, not "the people". They need the bucks to get re-elected. Besides, even if that weren't true, trying to teach a generally uneducated public about vaping by making a scene with it in places where smoking is prohibited is the wrong way to do it. Most people are not open to listening to (much less agreeing with) somebody who has first annoyed them (as tends to happen if they think somebody's smoking where they shouldn't be) and then attempts to use the confrontation as an opportunity to teach them that they were wrong. Even if a vaper is able to turn a few people around that way, they're turning a lot more against them (us).

Let's say this is happening in a restaurant and it's a waiter sent over to tell the vaper to stop smoking. Probably most everyone in the restaurant is watching the scene but how many of those people are able to hear the lesson? Whether the vaper "wins" or "loses" the right to continue vaping in the restaurant with the waiter (and/or manager), they've lost almost everyone else in the restaurant, to whom it just appears said vaper is being an A** and tell people about the negative experience they witnessed. I think we'd educate and win a lot more people over if we just vaped with the smokers and educated them. They'll be open to listening and probably tell others positive things about their experience with the vaper (if not try it themselves too).

The old adage that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar is absolutely true. A vaper might not be trying to be "in your face" when they vape where smoking is prohibited but that's how they are coming across to others and I think we should be very mindful of it.

By "vaping with the smokers" - I mean outside or wherever smoking isn't prohibited and the smokers go to do their thing - not that we have to crowd in and breathe the smoke

 

[VprNomi]

OMG. I've had taco pizza too (not there) and you're right - it IS awesome!

Went to a new place (for me) for pizza yesterday with out of town friends. The taco pizza (I'm serious, no lie) was deliciously awesome.

Crust Pizzeria Cape Coral

 

[Robino1]

Guess who is behind 99.5% of those bills?

ANTZ and BP.

Not because of any vapers blowing clouds but because we exist. They see that vaping is a growing industry and it has the potential of taking $$, BIG $$$$, out of BP's pockets by actually working and keeping people off of their 'drugs' that DON'T work. The ANTZ don't like us because we will still be using nicotine and they are afraid that the truth that nic is not harmful will leave them with the proverbial egg on their face, since they've been spouting off for YEARS that nicotine will kill everyone.

Those bills have nothing to with how vapers behave in public. The majority of us are respectful but are visible. Put the blame where it belongs and it's not on us.

Check out CASAA and learn who is actually behind sponsoring which bills. CASAA makes every effort to find those facts out for us.

Instead of complaining about how we supposedly behave in public, find out how you can help fight. We need help in order to win. If we aren't successful, then you won't have a choice in what you use. Are you aware that the ANTZ actually fought and won an age restriction bill on buying e-cig stuff? Doesn't make sense does it? But they actually celebrated on one of their Facebook pages that they succeeded stopping the age restriction from happening. Now you have to wonder why. Here's why, it would have given vaping an acknowledgement that vaping is a viable alternative.

Before blaming us read in the legislative section of the forum.

 

[mare ze dotes]

If someone wants to frolic around public places indoors screaming Vapers are people too, then God speed to them.
Let it ride and vape on.

* runs through the mall, waving* "I am a vaper!" But it would be more effective if we wore no clothes.

 

[rico942]

I just don't understand why people can not control themselves ...

Nor can I (sorry for hacking your quote ...)

I just don't understand why people can not control themselves ... from constant witch hunts for "inappropriate behavior" in those around them. But the reality is that we live in a mean-spirited and invasive society, where bullying and extreme criticism are rewarded instead of discouraged ...

If it looks anything remotely like smoking, it WILL be met with instant hostility and aggressive verbal assualt. Decades of media conditioning have worked all too well ...

Glad I don't live in a harsh climate. What happens if you walk down the street on a cold damp day with a stream of exhaled vapor in your wake. Will the villagers attack with torches and pitchforks ?

 

[Crash Moses]

I agree with OP. Since when has the government been more interested in learning the facts about something that they have little knowledge of before they make it illegal? Let's say they happen to decide it is a better idea to get the facts about something they think is new (not specifically addressed in the law already), potentially dangerous, and growing in popularity among the public, before they just ban it - where would they determine those facts are best obtained from - the FDA? Politicians respond to lobbyists with big money, not "the people". They need the bucks to get re-elected. Besides, even if that weren't true, trying to teach a generally uneducated public about vaping by making a scene with it in places where smoking is prohibited is the wrong way to do it. Most people are not open to listening to (much less agreeing with) somebody who has first annoyed them (as tends to happen if they think somebody's smoking where they shouldn't be) and then attempts to use the confrontation as an opportunity to teach them that they were wrong. Even if a vaper is able to turn a few people around that way, they're turning a lot more against them (us).

Let's say this is happening in a restaurant and it's a waiter sent over to tell the vaper to stop smoking. Probably most everyone in the restaurant is watching the scene but how many of those people are able to hear the lesson? Whether the vaper "wins" or "loses" the right to continue vaping in the restaurant with the waiter (and/or manager), they've lost almost everyone else in the restaurant, to whom it just appears said vaper is being an A** and tell people about the negative experience they witnessed. I think we'd educate and win a lot more people over if we just vaped with the smokers and educated them. They'll be open to listening and probably tell others positive things about their experience with the vaper (if not try it themselves too).

The old adage that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar is absolutely true. A vaper might not be trying to be "in your face" when they vape where smoking is prohibited but that's how they are coming across to others and I think we should be very mindful of it.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that but the OPs original suggestion that the forthcoming bans are due to people vaping where they shouldn't and that is simply not the case (or at least a very small part of it). As if there is an epidemic of wanton vaping (which I certainly haven't seen...anecdotal as it may be).

Short and simple...if you're in a public place (regardless of whether smoking is allowed or not) don't vape where you might bother others. After not annoying others...get your .... over to CASAA and learn who the real enemy is...

 

[Freckle]

Agreed...not again.

While I agree that one should not be allowed to vape everywhere vaping is not smoking and there are some public venues where it should not be an issue but the reason for these bans is not because someone decided to vape in the middle of Wal-mart.

These bans have entirely different sources. I recommend heading on over to CASAA to read up on the real reasons for these bans.


Damn....I bit.

Tacos Pizza anyone?

Cassa is great, but do you ever get tired of the petitions to fight against the bans where smoking is prohibited? I mean come on, give me a break. Most of the call to actions in the last few years is fighting to do exactly the opposite of my original gripe. My opinion again, Cassa sometimes is off its mark.


I think we are going to have to find a common ground. They are banning it cause people have no respect for others.

I am a hamburger gal myself, with plenty of onions! Hold the cheese!

 

[Glen Snyder]

Nor can I (sorry for hacking your quote ...)

I just don't understand why people can not control themselves ... from constant witch hunts for "inappropriate behavior" in those around them. But the reality is that we live in a mean-spirited and invasive society, where bullying and extreme criticism are rewarded instead of discouraged ...

If it looks anything remotely like smoking, it WILL be met with instant hostility and aggressive verbal assualt. Decades of media conditioning have worked all too well ...

Glad I don't live in a harsh climate. What happens if you walk down the street on a cold damp day with a stream of exhaled vapor in your wake. Will the villagers attack with torches and pitchforks ?

Me too. Vaping is pretty commonplace here and accepted in most establishments where adult beverages are consumed. Unfortunately from what I've read here on ECF SoCal and FLA seem to be the exception to the rule.