Can't...(chew)...talk. I'm...(chew)...eating...(chew)...pizza (gulp).
Vaping where smoking is not prohibited
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Can't...(chew)...talk. I'm...(chew)...eating...(chew)...pizza (gulp).
I always ask and if told no,then I don't. In Vegas,some of the places I went did not have a problem,but at the Rio,at the Rat Pack show they said ,NO,as some people would not know what it was and would complain.
I definitely agree with you. My post may have been a bit of a rant because I've read a few posts on this forum where people say it's not smoke so they can and will do as they like and if it bothers anyone else, too bad. That's the mentality I strongly disagree with and I sure hope it's a minority. I know there's much more to it and this issue is just one small battle in a much bigger war.
I generally don't vape anywhere publicly that I wouldn't have smoked before. With that said, I wouldn't scold someone for vaping in Walmart or whatever. If a business wants to post a sign, that's great, but otherwise you it's fair game in my book. Not vaping because you are afraid of how it might be perceived or cause some legislative action seems a little silly to me though. Kinda like "don't talk bad about the government or they might come after you!" We have a freedom until we don't, and not exercising it out of fear of losing it is sort of like not having it you know?
Also, Pizza, thin crust, with alfredo sauce.... hate any tomato based anything
Robin, you are so sexy when you talk like that.
EDIT: No pizza at all for the lion. I let that go 40 pounds ago...
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I generally don't vape anywhere publicly that I wouldn't have smoked before. With that said, I wouldn't scold someone for vaping in Walmart or whatever. If a business wants to post a sign, that's great, but otherwise you it's fair game in my book. Not vaping because you are afraid of how it might be perceived or cause some legislative action seems a little silly to me though. Kinda like "don't talk bad about the government or they might come after you!" We have a freedom until we don't, and not exercising it out of fear of losing it is sort of like not having it you know?
Also, Pizza, thin crust, with alfredo sauce.... hate any tomato based anything
That is exactly what I am talking about. Just cause legally you can get away with it doesn't make it right. Have we as vapers become that selfish to not care what others have to say? They are scared of it, people see no difference in vaping in smoking. instead of doing stuff to fire up the war, we need to be spending our time to teach the public exactly what vaping is. Instead we think this entitlement mentality is going to win it for us.
Where is the organization that is out there teaching the society? Instead we have an organization that leads us to entitlement ideas! Yet we wonder why it is getting banned.
I thought my first post was ending the rant, i see it just fired it up.... Ewww i need to step away for a bit!
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I, for one, will never stop fighting. I rolled over when they banned cigarettes because I bought into the scare tactics that they were bad for me and everyone around me. Mr. Robin has allergies up the yingyang and if there was the remotest possibility that vaping was in any way irritating, he would let me know. Vaping is THE.ONLY.THING that has enabled me to quit smoking. I will not give up without a fight. Wherever that fight happens. In whatever way I'm capable of helping, I will do so.
I'm so very glad that the people of CASAA don't have the same attitude that you have.
Good day.
I am sorry that you disagree, but I tell you now I been in this community over a year that I have had this ECF account. History speaks for itself. For the last 3 years there have been more petitions to fight the bans of vaping where smoking is prohibited. Sorry but after several years of trying to see the justification and fighting alongside, I have to step back and have a reality check.
What is the big deal of not vaping where smoking is not allowed? Can you not go without your vape that long? Seriously lets get real!
I see both sides of the coin. In reality we are losing freedoms, like to ability to vape on the job right now in California. Shouldn't it be up to the employer if you can vape? the business? where is it that we need or ask the government to step in. that is the mistake, it should be a private decision not a government one telling me where I can and cannot vape. next thing they will be telling you you can't vape in your apartment building, oh wait they're doing that too. MAKING law that says your landlord can tell you not to vape. thats what this is about. losing freedom to the corporate machine.
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I will never tire of fighting the infringement of my liberties. Were it not for CASAA, the right to vape could already be lost.
They are banning vaping because that is what the ANTZ do. We can fight them, or we can capitulate. We can also do nothing. The ANTZ count on you doing one of the second two. If we restrict vaping to smoking areas, it is a de facto admission that vaping poses the same dangers. No thanks, I concede nothing to the fascists.
I already addressed why we don't allow ourselves to be herded like sheep by the ANTZ into smoking sections. Are you simply lazy, or are you too frightened to fight? Don't worry, CASAA will carry the fight to our enemies for you. I refuse to be broken without a fight on this issue.
This fight shall be carried with passion and energy, not numbers.
I do not think that it says that it is as dangerous, I think it says we will respect your differences of opinion.
Well that's where I would vote with my wallet and make it known by asking where I could vape while enjoying a cocktail then leaving after they answered. There's one of two things that happened to cause that policy IMO:
1 They actually had people complain and were to lazy to explain it's vapor.
2 They were lazy and assumed people would complain.
I lived in Vegas briefly (8 months) in the early part of this century and there were very few places you couldn't smoke. It's the most tourist oriented place in the US by far. I would expect more from establishments in Sin City where they had the option.
Whether you see it or not, it IS an admission that it carries the same danger. Smoking in VA is defined as combustion of tobacco product, so there is already a ruling that smoking bans do not apply to vaping. You can give away your rights, but I will not permit you to throw mine into the garbage heap.
Respect that difference of opinion.
I do not agree with the fight any longer. It has become about one group gaining respect while telling someone else they have no rights. I am against disrespect. We can agree to disagree in this society. The thing that bugs me out, is that people think just cause one disagrees they are hated. The antz may have their theories on why it should be banned, but us going out there and acting like we should have a right to do what ever we want when ever we want is only hurting us.
As when we were all smokers, we didn't see the harm in smoking around others, now that we no longer smoke we see how it effected others. Are we looking at this with the same blinders on as we were with actual cigarettes?
I think it is disrespectful to think anyone should have to be around my vape because I know it is not as harmful as cigarettes. The truth though is that seriously we don't know. Especially when it comes to flavors!
My fight is to keep vaping a VIABLE option. As they slowly restrict where you vape, it is a very small step up to banning it outright. Once that toehold is made, it will be harder to reverse.
CASAA has had victories and they have a meeting with the head of the FDA coming up soon. Grassroots start small and it takes a while to really get going. They are finally getting recognition where they are needed. It's only because the membership is growing and our voices are getting louder. I'm sorry they haven't worked fast enough for you, but they are working hard.
I would say it is disrespectful of you to give away my rights. It is disrespectful of you to ban my liberties without knowing a hazard exists. It is disrespectful of you to assume society can trump individual property rights. If an owner of a property wishes to permit vaping, and no legitimate health hazard has been established, there is no basis for a ban. You do not ban activities that have unknown risks. There is no rational basis for this action.
We should defend the rights of people to make choices. You are free to make yours. You are free to oppose my right to make mine. You are likely not bold enough to try to take my rights from me yourself with direct action. Having a third party restrict freedoms of others for you is the definition of cowardice in my book.
The ANTZ are cowards who have the powerful do their bidding since they lake the fortitude to take direct action. I want a member of the FDA to come and take my PV from me personally....then I would respect them. Those lying pigs will never do that. They simply lie and put propaganda on their website telling bald faced lies about vaping.
Support them and their allies all you want, I will fight them every step of the way.
You are so busy with the insults that you fail to see my point. You having rights takes rights away from others. Do you not see that? Your theory of entitlement should be allowed in your home if you own it. When you are out in public, you need to stop with the selfish wants of yourself and try to understand there are other people who want rights as well.
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Your selfishness is the root of why it will continued to be banned. FDA has the wording in law to outright ban all ecigs, you best figure out something to meet halfway with, or we will all be out in the cold and I sir will blame people like you!
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I see both sides of this coin.
I was getting my oil changed today and in the waiting room there were about 10 people (in a room that fits probably 15) and a guy was there trying to stealth vape, but not doing a very good job. I didn't think that was the right thing to be doing in that location, especially since there's an area outside (patio) where most people go to smoke while they wait.
I also think people need to be educated somehow, on what vaping is.
As for the CASAA statements, I'm obviously for most of what they do, but like any group, there's always the possibility they'll become short sighted. The baseball players union is an example of that (they'll do anything to protect their members), and so is the NRA. My father is an avid gun owner and former gun dealer, but he has stopped his association with the NRA. They've fought for gun ownership for so long, that sometimes they've lost vision. They'd like to see everyone have any weapon they want without any regard to background checks, or waiting periods, or training , or anything else.
I'm not trying to turn this into an NRA thread, but it's merely an example of how many "rights" groups can sometimes take things too far. Is CASAA taking things too far? I don't know, but I can certainly see the possibility.
I was getting my oil changed today and in the waiting room there were about 10 people (in a room that fits probably 15) and a guy was there trying to stealth vape, but not doing a very good job. I didn't think that was the right thing to be doing in that location, especially since there's an area outside (patio) where most people go to smoke while they wait.
I also think people need to be educated somehow, on what vaping is.
As for the CASAA statements, I'm obviously for most of what they do, but like any group, there's always the possibility they'll become short sighted. The baseball players union is an example of that (they'll do anything to protect their members), and so is the NRA. My father is an avid gun owner and former gun dealer, but he has stopped his association with the NRA. They've fought for gun ownership for so long, that sometimes they've lost vision. They'd like to see everyone have any weapon they want without any regard to background checks, or waiting periods, or training , or anything else.
I'm not trying to turn this into an NRA thread, but it's merely an example of how many "rights" groups can sometimes take things too far. Is CASAA taking things too far? I don't know, but I can certainly see the possibility.
Here we go. The ANTZ only battle cry that can whip up the most passion. The flavors.
The flavors that will hook the kids. Think about WHO started the cry against the flavors.....
The only possible unknown in the equation. But is it really?
I just pulled four things off my shelf in the kitchen. Two of them are baked in an oven at over 350* (can someone tell me how hot our coils/atomizers get to vaporize the liquid?), one uses boiling water. Those three use artificial flavors that I inhale just because they smell soooo good when just done. A coffee cake, pumpkin bars and hot chocolate. The fourth doesn't use artificial flavoring, a pumpkin spice cake.
I don't totally buy that argument about the flavoring.
The flavors that will hook the kids. Think about WHO started the cry against the flavors.....
The only possible unknown in the equation. But is it really?
I just pulled four things off my shelf in the kitchen. Two of them are baked in an oven at over 350* (can someone tell me how hot our coils/atomizers get to vaporize the liquid?), one uses boiling water. Those three use artificial flavors that I inhale just because they smell soooo good when just done. A coffee cake, pumpkin bars and hot chocolate. The fourth doesn't use artificial flavoring, a pumpkin spice cake.
I don't totally buy that argument about the flavoring.
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