Vapocolypse

[Exit96]

I read a post where someone referred to an impending "Vapocolypse."
Admittedly, I have not followed legislature news concerning vaping.
Can someone give me a concise report on what we may be facing, please?
Btw, I live in Michigan.

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[Bad Ninja]

CASAA: National Call to Action: Tell the White House to urge FDA to re-work the deeming regulations so that life-saving vapor products can remain on the market!

 

[skiball]

I personally think vaping as we know it will be dead with the new legislation.

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[Bad Ninja]

I personally think vaping as we know it will be dead with the new legislation.

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The industry will change, but it won't be dead. (remember why we call them "mods"?)

As long as we can buy nic, we will vape on.

 

[Grimwald]

State and local regulations can crop up and be passed before you can blink an eye. Federal regulation is coming, but may take a few years to implement and involve some court proceedings.

 

[bsidb]

couple key words there, " may" take a "few" years to implement or it could be a couple months, correct?

 

[bsidb]

Barrak Hussain Obamma could decide to act and have vape gear disappear

 

[Bad Ninja]

couple key words there, " may" take a "few" years to implement or it could be a couple months, correct?

Then what? Anti vape task force?

Pay attention to how the FDA regulated the supplement industry.
If you think those regs made a huge impact on supplements pay attention to the horny goat weed pills and 357 magnum caffeine tabs sold at your local convenience store.

Yes, regs are comming and will affect the profit giants, and large retailers in the US.
But vaping is a global market worth billions.
The genie is out of the bottle. It's not going back in.
If you want to vape, you will still be able to vape.

 

[bsidb]

Or where I live, NY , Andy Cuomo could decide off the cuff to not allow us to vape , who knows what will pass without a vote

 

[Bad Ninja]

Barrak Hussain Obamma could decide to act and have vape gear disappear

Presidents are not kings.
They have no power to enact or decree law.

The legislative branch does that.

The executive branch only the power to enforce law, not make them.

 

[daviedog]

The weasels in Washington will not save vaping. Debate tonite, i wait with bated breath to hear solutions to the vaping 'problem'..

 

[daviedog]

Presidents are not kings.
They have no power to enact or decree law.

The legislative branch does that.

The executive branch only the power to enforce law, not make them.

I have my doubts. About kings & all..

 

[Bad Ninja]

Or where I live, NY , Andy Cuomo could decide off the cuff to not allow us to vape , who knows what will pass without a vote

The FDA and the feds have nothing to do with the insanity that is NY.

NY is a bizzaro world, where the people have willingly given up their rights to a corrupt government.
Willingly.
That's what happens when 3/4 of the population doesn't vote.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I have my doubts. About kings & all..

Doubt all you want, it's the law and has been since this country was established.
Executive actions and orders are only suggestions and must be approved by the legislative branch (congress).

"Knowing is half the battle"
- GI Joe.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Presidents are not kings.
They have no power to enact or decree law.

The legislative branch does that.

The executive branch only the power to enforce law, not make them.

That is how it is supposed to work. For a republic to function, it takes a president who will follow the law. After seeing the exemptions, extensions and deferred implementation of the ACA; watching the immigration law modification and lack of enforcement; observing the IRS selective use of its power; measuring the growth of the Code of Federal Regulations by several inches every year; the constitution is no longer the law of the land. I believe that the president with the agencies he controls is assuming kingly functions if not the title.

 

[Heybilox]

Follow the money !! Every level of government, federal, state and municipal are running deficits
in their appropriate budgets. They all rely on revenues from the tobacco industry. They will not let a small niche of vapors affect that income negatively. The government will hand over very segment of vaping to big tobacco where it will be regulated and taxed. This will all be done to protect the consumer.
And I, like many others will have a stash of nic in the freezer or growing tobacco plants in amongst our tomatoes and peppers.

 

[skoony]

Pay attention to how the FDA regulated the supplement industry.
If you think those regs made a huge impact on supplements pay attention to the horny goat weed pills and 357 magnum caffeine tabs sold at your local convenience store.

Comparison to the supplement and vitamin industry is no way related. They were not competing
with BT,BP,Big Medicine and Big Government relying on taxes. The reason they were not squished
is because there was already tons of independent literature indicating how some proteins,vitamins,
and,minerals were necessary for the healthy functioning of the human body. The Fed's had
already issued dietary recommendations and daily requirements. This left government without
the Big Two arguments in their arsonal. The"we don't know" and the "The Chillin' ".
As a mater of fact it was the government's concern for the healthy upbringing of "The Chillin' "
that certain vitamins and such are added to foodstuffs. Think vitamin C.
Somehow even though some supplements,vitamins and, minerals can be quite harmful
in large enough doses this did not seem to a big concern. I wonder how that was got around.
It's interesting to note that dosages are completely ignored when it comes to vaping.
If something toxic is found even if thousands of times below any realistic exposure
level there's near hysteria even though many of these substances are a necessary
ingredient for proper metabolism.

Regards
Mike

 

[Bad Ninja]

That is how it is supposed to work. For a republic to function, it takes a president who will follow the law. After seeing the exemptions, extensions and deferred implementation of the ACA; watching the immigration law modification and lack of enforcement; observing the IRS selective use of its power; measuring the growth of the Code of Federal Regulations by several inches every year; the constitution is no longer the law of the land. I believe that the president with the agencies he controls is assuming kingly functions if not the title.

No.
This is how our government works.
It's the law.
I won't get Into partisan politics, but anyone that cracked a book in school should know how our government works.
Yes some departments act outside the letter of the law until they get caught and eventually they all do (Example: the State Dept strangely never appointed an IG during this current administration. The IG looks for improprieties and misuse of funds and authority).
But no, a president cannot overstep his authority and "make a law".

Public apathy and a failure in the educational system is why this was allowed to happen in the first place.

I leared how my government works in the 8th grade. We had "American Goverment" class. It was a requirement.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Comparison to the supplement and vitamin industry is no way related. They were not competing
with BT,BP,Big Medicine and Big Government relying on taxes. The reason they were not squished
is because there was already tons of independent literature indicating how some proteins,vitamins,
and,minerals were necessary for the healthy functioning of the human body. The Fed's had
already issued dietary recommendations and daily requirements. This left government without
the Big Two arguments in their arsonal. The"we don't know" and the "The Chillin' ".
As a mater of fact it was the government's concern for the healthy upbringing of "The Chillin' "
that certain vitamins and such are added to foodstuffs. Think vitamin C.
Somehow even though some supplements,vitamins and, minerals can be quite harmful
in large enough doses this did not seem to a big concern. I wonder how that was got around.
It's interesting to note that dosages are completely ignored when it comes to vaping.
If something toxic is found even if thousands of times below any realistic exposure
level there's near hysteria even though many of these substances are a necessary
ingredient for proper metabolism.

Regards
Mike

Actually they are extremely similar.

It's an example of the FDAs authority.

(Proposed action was to eliminate all OTC vitamin supplements requiring a prescription).

 

[skiball]

I have a feeling that when the fda regulations kick in the only device's that will make the cut are cig-a-likes. It's all about $ and how they can profit more i know i'm paranoid. But anyone who thinks this isn't going to kill all b&m stores and all juice companies is delusional.

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