Vapor-Less

[karenwest1961]

Are docs still prescribing Inhalers? I should ask my doc to prescribe me one. I'm due for my check-up in August and he'd probably be so happy, he'd be doing the baby-dance!

But I don't want him to get tempted to prescribe Chantix. I got a good doc though. If I tell him up front that I don't want that stuff, he won't prescribe it.

I remember when I first read about Chantix that less than 300 subjects were used for the clinical trial and it hadn't been tested for more than a few months. How did the FDA approve that crap? How did it ever get past Phase 1?

Maybe this is something I need to ask in another forum, huh?

I guess all this started spilling out when we started talking about scripts. Sorry.

I'm a little sensitive about clinical trials since I am part of 2 of them voluntarily right now for the next 10 years.

 

[Kit]

Are docs still prescribing Inhalers? I should ask my doc to prescribe me one. I'm due for my check-up in August and he'd probably be so happy, he'd be doing the baby-dance!

But I don't want him to get tempted to prescribe Chantix. I got a good doc though. If I tell him up front that I don't want that stuff, he won't prescribe it.

I remember when I first read about Chantix that less than 300 subjects were used for the clinical trial and it hadn't been tested for more than a few months. How did the FDA approve that crap? How did it ever get past Phase 1?

Maybe this is something I need to ask in another forum, huh?

I guess all this started spilling out when we started talking about scripts. Sorry.

I'm a little sensitive about clinical trials since I am part of 2 of them voluntarily right now for the next 10 years.

what trials you doing karen

 

[karenwest1961]

I'm in Sister Study at National Institutes of Health where a nurse comes in every 6 months to take dust samples from my house and blood from me to see if environmental issues may play a part in the development of breast cancer. Sister Study

My sister died of it in 2005 and there is no family history.

Plus I'm still part of an allogenic stem cell trial at NIH. Even though my sister died before she could use my cells, my cells are being used for research. She and I had the same immune system but mine was stronger. She got breast cancer, I didn't. I still have email correspondence with the trial doctor. It was in Phase 1 in 2005...it's still in Phase 1. Trial Info

 

[MNZ]

I'm desperately trying to remember where I read about this so I can post a link for you all to read.

I read somewhere that propylene glycol is being used as a "carrier" medium with cyclosporin in treating new lung transplant patients, and if my memory serves me correctly the implication was of that being virtually immediate post operative use.

I can't confirm my recollection of this one, but I also seem to recall that PG is regularly used as a "carrier" medium for inhaled drug use in the treatment of a variety of respiratory diseases. But I do know that my mother before she died was daily using a nebulizer to inhale a powerful antibiotic to treat a serious lung infection.

In both of those situations as far as I'm aware the PG is vapourised along with the drugs being administered.

As for being able to get a hit effect from inhaling the aroma only, I'd doubt that, pure nicotine only has a mild aroma when it's warmed. It's certainly not by any way an aromatic.
All currently used deliver methods including NRT's rely on the nicotine coming into contact with tissue to effect the transfer

I used to work in a cigarette factory during school holidays and I handled massive amount of tobacco in all it's forms, I certainly don't recall any reactions, positive or adverse to being in direct contact with the leaf, nor any when the 250Kg bales of tobacco "hands" were being steam conditioned ready for processing. The only time I can recall any olfactory reaction was during the baking of a heavily cased cavendish pipe tobacco, that smelt of steamed plum puddings mmmm it was good

 

[Mr.Darcy]

I agree - however, in places where you can't e-smoke (like during a business meeting or speaking with clients) then it would be nice to have. Just to hold you over until you can have a real e-cig smoke.

well,i guess so...but theres already nicotine inhalers on the market for that,if thats what you want.

i tried to quit using a nicotine inhaler before several times(and gum,and patches,and willpower),and they just didnt cut it for me.
e-smoking does.

its horses for courses i suppose...but personally i enjoy the visual aspects of vaping in its current form...i like the vapour,i like the glowing led...i must have those visual and tactile elements...and if i cant have that in future,then i'll probably try cold turkey,or just end up smoking again.

the beauty of esmoking,is that it emulates the habit that we all loved /hated so much,but in a much less dangerous form...i think the majority of us need that replication...and yes,im well aware that the reason we're going to run into trouble in future is exactly because of that fact...thats whats so depressing about the whole lousy catch22 situation.

if i want a nicotine inhaler,i'll get one...it might be ok for occasional use,but not all the time--no way.

if thats the future of vaping,then its fairly pointless,IMO.

 

[dnakr]

No I couldn't do an inhaler all the time either. But with all the broken parts I have laying around (batteries and atomizers) I wouldn't mind making my own inhaler for times I can't e-smoke because I could add different flavors and customize my own.

I agree, I believe the only reason I was able to switch over to e-smoking was because it did replicate the cig. I got the hand to mouth, smoke exhale and the nicotine.

 

[karenwest1961]

Aren't you still getting the nicotine if you inhale your e-cig and it doesn't produce the vapor? Right Rach. Maybe we should just hang on to the crappy e-cig.com penstyle.

 

[dnakr]

Yep, I would hold on to them.

I notice that when my battery does die it is harder to inhale - so maybe with TB taking everything out of the battery and atomizer, the air will move more freely through the cartridge, without smoke of course.

So we could make our own homemade inhalers instead of getting a prescription.

 

[Kit]

sorry to hear about your sister Karen, well at least your trying to help to find a cure for breast cancer in the future.

 

[MNZ]

I really must hurry up and finish my article on cartridge design and operation, that would clear up a few of the questions being asked I think.

Karen, when you inhale on your e-cig the liquid in the cart is drawn down onto the wool bridge, from there its absorbed into the wool surrounding the atomizer. The large volume of rapidly moving air passing through and out of the wool basket caries with it extremely fine droplets of the juice. In normal operation these are converted into vapour and inhaled that way. In a non-functional device some of the droplets will pass through the entire mouthpiece and be inhaled, the amount you inhale in this way would be quite small as most of the droplets are caught by the carts internal baffle system, that's what stops you inhaling a mouthful of juice each time you suck on it.

Hope that helps

 

[TropicalBob]

Actually, the inhaler does work without vaporizing liquid. Nicotine in a base liquid gives off what is called gaseous nicotine and that's what is inhaled when a user sucks on Big Pharma's nicotine inhaler. You can feel it burn the back of the throat when you inhale! It does not reach the lungs, according to Big Pharma documents, but is absorbed from the mouth.

That said, I've got my inhaler beside me, filled with juice. Problem? Too much juice. I'm tasting it. 8-o

So experiment number two was to remove the battery from a dead Health e-cig. The instructions I got here were clear and it took about five seconds to remove the battery. No need to remove the atomizer; it has a hole in it and won't get power to heat up, so it's just a "nothing" link. I put on a soaking cartridge and can easily taste the e-liquid when using this device. Major advantages: This is as light as a real cigarette now, feels like one in the fingers, produces no vapor to draw unwanted attention, and serves up nicotine as well as a Big Pharma model.

Fiinally, I figured I could modify a cartridge container for my e-cigar. These are really nice things, BTW. I ordered a "sample pack" of all flavors for the e-cigar long ago and have 25 of these on hand. Take apart the brown tube and inside there's a black mouthpiece holding a cartridge covered by a screwed-on white plastic piece. Perfect. I drilled a small hole in the top of the white plastic piece and can now draw air over and through the soaked core in the cartridge. Super light weight; easily refillable cartridges; easy to keep clamped between the teeth!

Like the rest of us, I like the visual stimulation vapor provides. But I'm now adding these units to the real ones beside my computer. I'll use real e-cigs mostly, of course, rotating the inhalers every so often to take a break from over-vaping. Could work for me!

 

[windblown]

The instructions I got here were clear and it took about five seconds

I'm not believing this......after having had at least 2 batteries and an atomizer whose threads just came undone on their own, now I can't pry one off with a sledge hammer. How'd you do that???

 

[TropicalBob]

I used a pair of vice grip pliers, lightly pulling up the lid. It popped right off. I didn't mess with the threaded end, because it had to be screwed back in place. Then I used a small screwdriver to pop up the battery and pull it completely out. Instant empty tube.

 

[values84]

thanks for the info everyone

glad i didn't throw my health cigs out,as out of all three of my devices only one is still working and the spare batt. will hardly last an hr or two. ya'lls info might help me get my fix when i'm in between charges and keep my smoking real cigs down. great job guys and girls!!

many thanks

 

[windblown]

Thanks, T-Bob.....the vise grip pliers did the trick. I knew I was saving that worthless battery for something.

 

[TropicalBob]

I must post this to update the oldtimers who've been here more than, say, two weeks.

Mr. E-Pipe (2008-2008) lives!

He sprang back to life this afternoon in what can only be called a miracle. Some here might remember that Mr. E-Pipe was my first purchase of an e-device. He came from E-Cig on Jan. 3 and cost $46 with express shipping. I joined this forum shortly after his delivery.

The E-Cig e-pipe never produced more than a wisp of vapor, but at the time I didn't have a Meltrex pen style to compare it to. So I made do. Then, in mid-May, I accidentally knocked the pipe off a table. It crashed to the tile floor and the ceramic interior of the bowl cracked. The top piece of glass broke. I tried mouth-to-mouthpiece E-CPR, but Mr. E-Pipe had no life. We held services. He was laid to rest in his box.

This afternoon, I decided to castrate Mr. E-Pipe so he might be repurposed as an E-Eunuch inhaler. I'm not sure why, but I put his fully charged battery back in place. And as I swung the top lever into place, a red light blipped. A red light? It went off when I released the lever. I pressed down on the lever, to move it aside. The red light came on. Mr. E-Pipe had become a manually-operated device!

Sure enough, I filled his dehydrated cartridge and pressed down on the lever. The red light came on, the atomizer heated -- and I got the most vapor I've seen from that pipe. It looked like something Trog would feel good about!

So Mr. E-Pipe has again taken his place next to my laptop, where he is becoming aquainted with two pen styles, new inhalers, a failing mini cig and an e-cigar that followed his introduction into my house.

His bald top defines him as the senior member of this clan. I'm delighted to have him back.

 

[karenwest1961]

Holy CRAP! That IS a miracle, T-Bo!!!!!!!! :woot:

 

[Mr.Darcy]

sometimes its worth trying the stuff in the non-working pile...these things are fickle.

i had a dead atomiser and battery come back to life...they stopped working ages ago.i tried every method known to revive them,tried them with other parts,but nothing worked.totally dead.

they sat around for weeks.i tried them occasionally-nothing.
i screwed them together just as i was about to bin them...and vapor came out!

now its working great,and i have another spare ecig!

i call it lazarus.

 

[karenwest1961]

I had a car named lazarus once.

 

[Nazareth]

two of my atomizers have completely gone cold on me, and just today I thought- Ya' know? I better just hang onto them because one that I thoguht was dead for soem reason started workign again (for about 3 days- then it died again goign completely cold- no heat at all when inhaling- no matter how hard i inhale)- Was goign to throw my two recently dead oens out- but after readign htis thread thoguht myaybe better hold on to them liek I thpught- these stinkin atomizers are wierd wierd wierd- I had one that I swear had 9 lives, just when I thought it was bout ot give up ghost- wham- it would start working quite good again, then fade terribly, then would puff like a locomotive- but I think it's completely gone to atomizer heaven now, but will hold off for a few years before throwing away, just to be sure lol