Variable Voltage and Patent

[misterD]

Since it seems that Notcigs/Buzzkill is about to start sending out letters to VV manufacturers for his patent pending. I wonder who actually came up with the idea?
I found this old post but does anyone know of anything before that?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/20672-3-7v-vs-5v.html#post332679
just curious...

 

[Digs]

Here's a link to the patent application
United States Patent Application: 0110097060

 

[dspin]

Here's a link to the patent application
United States Patent Application: 0110097060

Here we go again, with someone trying to corner the market.

 

[AlmightyGod]

I'd always heard he was a stand up guy, but I guess those posts were from Fanboys and Fangirls.

How low is it to ask the members of ECF to compile his list for him in this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/notcigs/184903-list-mfgs-vv-devices.html

 

[BuzzKill]

Here we go again, with someone trying to corner the market.

I am just protecting my design for the FUTURE when Big tobacco gets into the fray , If you want to work for FREE feel free to do so I am not going to do that .
BTW most things you use that are electronic are PATENTED , your Laptop , Comp. , cell phone , I pad etc . etc. etc.

I'd always heard he was a stand up guy, but I guess those posts were from Fanboys and Fangirls.

How low is it to ask the members of ECF to compile his list for him in this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/notcigs/184903-list-mfgs-vv-devices.html

I asked my customers for help in compiling the list If that offends you then do not read it please .

I see you also posted on the " list " with a disapproval of this action taking place , I respect your desire to NOT like it BUT I am protecting my company and my employees that have to be paid to make these devices , Or should I tell them to take the year OFF ! because GOD does not like us applying for a patent ???

 

[alldayvape]

From a business standpoint it's a wise move. Good thing I already own a few VV's..

 

[fray]

I don't think I'll be buying from notcigs again.


Edit:
Just for the record I was a little angry when I wrote this initially. I tend to lose the filter over my mouth (or keyboard) occasionally. I may buy from him again because he does have some nice PV's. We will just have to see how this all works out.

 

[MXBNW]

From a business standpoint it's a wise move..

Ill second this, as a businesses owner my self protecting your investments and insure that your employees have work is #1

Its better then the big tobacco company's seizing the opportunity and shelving it, and I am sure they would have.

Now that the FDA as branded Ecigs as a tobacco product this industry has a major competitor that is the tobacco industry it self.

If the E-Cig industry dose not take control of its product they will. The will try to control as much of the Patten's and products as possible and lock away what they think is best to gain the advantage.

They have more resources to do this I applaud Mike in taking this step to insure that his product and ingenuity and hard work dose not fall in to big tobacco industry's hands.

This is just my 2c as a businesses owner.

 

[six]

Seems long a tough patent to get since voltage adjusting trim pots have been used in electronics pretty much forever. there have to be a thousand or more similar items just in audio mixing equipment... And anyone who has ever overclocked a processor in their PC has at least a basic understanding of VV... and anyone who is in to RC planes and cars (etc) has used at least a dozen methods to vary voltage. ... it isn't any sort of a new concept and I'm going to guess that any such patent application will face scrutiny by earlier patent holders if the product involved actually takes off and makes a lot of money.

Just because someone applies for a patent doesn't mean they can actually get one, keep it once they have it, or enforce any rights that pertain to it without challenge.

 

[PKZap27]

I am just protecting my design for the FUTURE when Big Tobacco gets into the fray , If you want to work for FREE feel free to do so I am not going to do that .
BTW most things you use that are electronic are PATENTED , your Laptop , Comp. , cell phone , I pad etc . etc. etc.

I asked my customers for help in compiling the list If that offends you then do not read it please .

I see you also posted on the " list " with a disapproval of this action taking place , I respect your desire to NOT like it BUT I am protecting my company and my employees that have to be paid to make these devices , Or should I tell them to take the year OFF ! because GOD does not like us applying for a patent ???

Then wait for Big Tobacco to "get into the fray" and then go do what you need to do.

If you really meant what you stated here you would not be getting in everyone’s face right now?

My

 

[MXBNW]

PKZ if you think that Big Tobacco are not alread in the the fray you need to start doing some reading. There already here.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eynolds-e-cigarette-patent-june-1-2010-a.html

 

[PKZap27]

PKZ if you think that Big Tobacco are not alread in the the fray you need to start doing some reading. There already here.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eynolds-e-cigarette-patent-june-1-2010-a.html

I never said stated anything about Big Tobacco either way about anything.

I was commenting on what someone else said about Big Tobacco.

It makes me kind of wonder why you would make this statement to me.

 

[MXBNW]

I never said stated anything about Big Tobacco either way about anything.

I was commenting on what someone else said about Big Tobacco.

It makes me kind of wonder why you would make this statement to me.

Did not mean to offend you just inform you, this topic hits my hot button. Sorry if it was taken the wrong way.

 

[PKZap27]

Did not mean to offend you just inform you, this topic hits my hot button. Sorry if it was taken the wrong way.

No offense taken. I was just clarifying that I never stated that.

Thanks!

 

[Gracchus Grey]

As re IP matters, it seems buzz could patent the units he has created, and the specific mechanisms of VV that he used-- One could argue many VV devices out there stole this.

But you can't put a patent on VV as applied to e-cigs in totality. That's like kellog trying to patent Lecithin. Potentiometers are common generic tech.

 

[fray]

Patent aside, what my question is what are these letters going to say?

Stop making VV because of my patent

Or

I filed for this patent to protect us from big tobacco so keep doing what you are doing.

 

[Ruppy]

Then wait for Big Tobacco to "get into the fray" and then go do what you need to do.

If you really meant what you stated here you would not be getting in everyone’s face right now?

My

He cant wait. You only have one year from bringing a product to market to apply. July is the end of the year fro him.

Ill second this, as a businesses owner my self protecting your investments and insure that your employees have work is #1

Its better then the big tobacco company's seizing the opportunity and shelving it, and I am sure they would have.

Now that the FDA as branded Ecigs as a tobacco product this industry has a major competitor that is the tobacco industry it self.

If the E-Cig industry dose not take control of its product they will. The will try to control as much of the Patten's and products as possible and lock away what they think is best to gain the advantage.

They have more resources to do this I applaud Mike in taking this step to insure that his product and ingenuity and hard work dose not fall in to big tobacco industry's hands.

This is just my 2c as a businesses owner.

Agreed and your right on the money. The corporations are coming like it or not. Not just big tobacco either. Wal Mart, may chain tobacco outlets, and several other large chain retailers are already in it. They will have product to market in the coming months. Most were just waiting for a FDA stance to proceed. This market was never going to remain open and free like it has been.

As re IP matters, it seems buzz could patent the units he has created, and the specific mechanisms of VV that he used-- One could argue many VV devices out there stole this.

But you can't put a patent on VV as applied to e-cigs in totality. That's like kellog trying to patent Lecithin. Potentiometers are common generic tech.

The way I understand it its not a attempt to patent variable voltage concepts. It is as Variable voltage applies to ecigs and the design originally applied and manufactured by notcigs.

 

[Gracchus Grey]

Now that's reasonable. Furthermore, its a sign of evolution in an emerging market (e-cigs). We need patents to encourage technological diversity and protect from the inevitable corporate invasions

 

[PKZap27]

He cant wait. You only have one year from bringing a product to market to apply. July is the end of the year fro him.

Fine, however that waiting part had nothing to do with my comment.

 

[BuzzKill]

Read the patent it spells it out , we have an application for a patent on " variable voltage in an E-cig or personal vaporizer " there are ways to design around this , the companies involved will have to do their own work and not use mine that is all ! .

In NO WAY does this effect the Modder or hobbyist it DOES NOT APPLY to them .

We will inform the companies that may be in violation for this patent that MAY issue that we will be providing a licence deal to them , no big deal this happens all the time.

BTW This software we are talking on is PATENTED and is LICENCED to E-Cig-forums for use and you CELL PHONE / Laptop / desktop /TV / Etc. etc. so you should also complain to them about their patents IMO .

Hey we are protecting our MArket and My employees that happen to WORK IN THE USA and pay taxes , we are keeping jobs here .

BTW this applies to other fields as well like the TOKERS !!!!!!