Vcore - vertical micro coil in oddy/kayfun/Russian/Ithaca/ect.

[JeremyR]

Single vertical with rayon is the best of all in the oddy. Wicked like my op ,sans the core it's not nessesary if you use less rayon. The core wrap acted as a barrier to prevent over saturation with rayon in the beginning. Dual seperate verts in the Ithaka would be awesome! Dice let me know I can't imagine doubling this oddy output.

After using cotton, hemp for 5 months, the rayon wins the wick war.

 

[dice57]

Use twisted serial dual verts, comes out thing, just in on continuous coil, bent in two. Easier to secure the leads. It's how I built one of my Rose 2's. It is in one of my most excellent collection. Same build I did on the Russian. If you look at that last pic of the Russian coil, you'll notice it's a twisted 28 & ribbon, tiger wire,

Next one is going to be tri twisted 28, going to give me longer coils, more wick to coil coverage, targeting will be 0.5-0.7 ohms. Know she'll handle 30 watts easily, since I do drive it on a dna30, but been shooting for builds that vape great on any mech or regulated that I own. That way I won't have to unduly suffer with builds that produce less than 20 watts when riding straight mech.

 

[JeremyR]

In an Ithaka with no res, dual verts I think will work better. I like 3 second pulls on a zmax. If I had an Ithaka I would run dual 3 -3.2 ohm coils of 32. let me know on that Ithaka; doubling this oddy build with duals would be ridiculous!!!

Will post pics up of my latest rayon wicking but it looks very similar to the opening post.

Peace out dice!

 

[skimmer02]

You know how you're test firing a new build, and admiring the plume firing up out of the coil, and you get some of those little firework shots firing out and one shoots right into your eye? I bet that would really hurt. In fact, I bet it would hurt like a @#$% and probably make you say a bad word. I'm not saying that happened to me or anything, I'm just saying I bet that would really sting...you know...if it happened to someone.

 

[skimmer02]

By the way, completely unrelated, I did get a vertical coil built and installed in my Taifun. It is amazing. I'm getting a vape comparable to my drip builds, only ongoing without having to drip. Big dense vape, great flavor. Probably my best vape to date.

 

[JeremyR]

Awesome skimmer! Glad you were successful with the build.

 

[dice57]

By the way, completely unrelated, I did get a vertical coil built and installed in my Taifun. It is amazing. I'm getting a vape comparable to my drip builds, only ongoing without having to drip. Big dense vape, great flavor. Probably my best vape to date.

That's why I like rba tank systems so well, all the taste, flavor and vape, only have to add juice daily, well sometime twice, it's amazing how fast Rose will suck you dry with a 0.2 ohm build, tank and battery, lol.

Haven't met a dripper yet that will give me more satisfaction then any of my tanked rba's. But then, 3 are rda's with tank system attached. lol. Makes it nice for testing a build, breaking in a new wick, and cranking it up to max action. lol A few of my builds would be tough to match, let alone out vape. Oh well, something for everyone.

 

[JeremyR]

Ok on day two with straight rayon.. I can say this stuff wicks incredibly fast. And saturates the coil immensely without flooding. Rayon is more of a juice transporter, where as cotton is an absorber. Cotton with hold it before transferring to the coil. The rayon though hold more juice than cotton it seems but releases it instantly to the coil. Te only bad thing is it transports so fast that if you run the tank dry it will dry hit fast. However it does give decent warning. It doesn't hold flavors in it either.

It transports so fast that te ends of the wick would start to go dry as the coil starts to give dry hit warning. If you push past it will be dried up. You don't want a dry hit, it's like smoking notebook paper if you ever tried that when you wer little. But it transports juice like non other. After using cotton and dropping the rayon for hemp because I thought it would be better. And them going back to rayon.. Wow.


That's what made the op setup so immense. I instantly got a nic buzz after taking hemp out and replacing with rayon. Reason being the rayon completely saturates the coil. The flavor of the juice is absolutely pure. Absolutely. No imparted flavor from the wick at all. It's like tokeing off a fog machine. Never taste my juice this pure. (Since I ditched it for hemp, now I know why I could never get that flavor back)

I'm still in trials with this again.

 

[Aal_]

Ok on day two with straight rayon.. I can say this stuff wicks incredibly fast. And saturates the coil immensely without flooding. Rayon is more of a juice transporter, where as cotton is an absorber. Cotton with hold it before transferring to the coil. The rayon though hold more juice than cotton it seems but releases it instantly to the coil. Te only bad thing is it transports so fast that if you run the tank dry it will dry hit fast. However it does give decent warning. It doesn't hold flavors in it either.

It transports so fast that te ends of the wick would start to go dry as the coil starts to give dry hit warning. If you push past it will be dried up. You don't want a dry hit, it's like smoking notebook paper if you ever tried that when you wer little. But it transports juice like non other. After using cotton and dropping the rayon for hemp because I thought it would be better. And them going back to rayon.. Wow.


That's what made the op setup so immense. I instantly got a nic buzz after taking hemp out and replacing with rayon. Reason being the rayon completely saturates the coil. The flavor of the juice is absolutely pure. Absolutely. No imparted flavor from the wick at all. It's like tokeing off a fog machine. Never taste my juice this pure. (Since I ditched it for hemp, now I know why I could never get that flavor back)

I'm still in trials with this again.

If rayon is a transporter a hybrid rayon cotton would be a winner I suppose.

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[dice57]

Good point's Jeremy. Your rayon sounds pretty close to what ramie does, I think of it more as plumbing the coil instead of wicking. With rba's with juice control, it's like having juice on tap.

I can't get over how much Ramie makes the Aqua vape soo clean and smooth, it's like a different atomizer, or if I got the thing port and polished and threw on a turbo charger. And since one can flatten out the ramie it's like wrapping verticals with ribbon and not a round strand.

Think the Ramie may be more heat tolerant than the rayon though, the bone dry hits, while will make you hack like you just hit to hard on a water type smoking pige, it's nothing even close to the nasties cotton gives. lol. Before that happens though, I've cranked the jc open, way open, and know the rba is running on fumes.

Though it is kind of kewl to see vape coming out of my tank when I unscrew the top cap, have to blow out the vape, and sure enough, she's bone dry. not a drop, film or speck of juice to be seen. lol

Yeah, why wick a coil, when one can plumb one. lmao. Hey, man, you should check out Rose's plumbing, she is quite a gal, Rose simply loves riding my Big Nasty and Storms on me Stingray.

Woops, got a little hot flashi there for a moment.

Vape long and Prosper!!!

 

[JeremyR]

Aalwani-
Yeah my thoughts as well. But at this point its an old idea as that's the exact build I did last September when I started this thread!

The flavor is unbelievably pure! You've never tasted your juice like this..

However they could be combined into a single wick 50/50. I will have to try Ramie at some point to see how it compares.

 

[TheKiwi]

Say... Can anyone share a build, particularly on how to wick a double vertical coil on a fogger v4 or aqua?


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[dice57]

Say... Can anyone share a build, particularly on how to wick a double vertical coil on a fogger v4 or aqua?


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here's my current Aqua build, dual Verts with twisted 28. Or should I say maintenance build. Full details build details is in the Aqua thread, somewhere, that the build is quoted from. Just click on the quote link if you want to see more aqua builds

Well been vaping on the same 0.3 ohm build for a couple months now, and is time to re-wick and dry burn the coil. Have recently gone to Ramie Fiber for my wicking needs, so once I dry vaped the Aqua, decided to do some maintenance, it was past due. lol

Here's a pic after taking the wick out, very nasty and coil ends gunked over.

Here she is after dry burn, used some twisted wire pieces to open up the clogged coils and cleaned up fairly nice!! While cleaning was thinking of a way to brush file and clear out the air passages, and saw some end trimmings of twisted wire combos, and though, hmm, looks like a rasp or file, worked great for cleaning the coil carbon after dry burn, and clearing/cleaning down the coil center and airways too. Just another reason to try twisted wire folks!!! lol.

This is the stand of Ramie Fiber I'll be using to wick the Aqua. Love working with this stuff, so long and silky, and compresses nicely and makes wicking the coil a pleasure. Great flow capacity and heat tolerant, more so than cotton or hemp.

Here's a pic of the same fiber strand, saturated with juice, compressed, fuzzies trimmed and flattened out, aligning all the fibers nice, straight and neat for maximum juice flow!!

Have the coil all wicked, wrapped and tails tucked into the juice channels, ready for assembly and trim. On the ohm meter is a small piece I had to strip off for just the right coil coverage. Very easy to do. I then cut the stand in half to make my 2 wick strands.

Now have chimney screwed down and all the tails straight, uniform and down tight awaiting trim.

All trimmed up and ready for assembly!!!

Nothing like a fresh Cut and a Dry Burn to freshen up ones vape. Still have that "Aqua Love" here. Damn fine vape. Really, really, liking the way of Ramie. My new wick of choice. Took a bit to understand each other, but once I took care to keep all the fibers straight and neat, it's been wicking incredibly well, and when you crack open the JC it like turning on a fire hose, offering great juice supply. Takes about a day of vaping, or so, for the fiber cell walls to get fully saturated and expanded, but once fully broke in can leave the jc at your current vape level, and if you crank up the watts, an easy 1/4-1/2 turn allows for instant increase of juice. Just like any other pressurized fluid control system. Fraking awesome fiber. Just thought I'd share my bi-monthly maintenance and Aqua review. lol

Vape long and prosper!!!

P.S.: the cat bites!

Hope that helps, vapes fraking great. Fogger, well have a Taifun, but haven't done a build post on it. There is a big fogger build thread and Taifun GT thread also, that my be helpful to you.

Or you can send it to me, and I'll mount something up for ya, what kind of ohms you looking for?


Come to think about it, believe have the original Aqua build on this thread a few pages back and buried in the micro coil build thread somewhere too. But that would be a long search. lol

 

[TheKiwi]

here's my current Aqua build, dual Verts with twisted 28. Or should I say maintenance build. Full details build details is in the Aqua thread, somewhere, that the build is quoted from. Just click on the quote link if you want to see more aqua builds




Hope that helps, vapes fraking great. Fogger, well have a Taifun, but haven't done a build post on it. There is a big fogger build thread and Taifun GT thread also, that my be helpful to you.

Or you can send it to me, and I'll mount something up for ya, what kind of ohms you looking for?


Come to think about it, believe have the original Aqua build on this thread a few pages back and buried in the micro coil build thread somewhere too. But that would be a long search. lol

Hahah thanks for the offer. I'm proficient with building, but I'm just have some difficulty trying to figure out how the 2 strands of wick should run: whether each vert coil should have 1 wick that runs on it's own side of the deck, or in your case, it LOOKS like (I could be wrong) that the wick crosses deck and goes around both coils. I might just have to try both.


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[JeremyR]

Yeah dice, sounds very similar, the vape is completely different with rayon. Is it also true of ramie that you have absolutely no taste imparted from the wick? It's like drinking the juice straight.

 

[JeremyR]

With rayon there is only a minute to break in as it absorbs incredibly fast. I was instantly able to hit it with a full 15w @ 1.7 on zmax with stacked batteries. The hemp I was maxed out at 13 only after break in and it wouldn't keep up and would have to drop to 11w.

The wick doesn't swell at all like dice said about ramie; its more like a pipe than a wick.! Even better I have had no flooding issue at all. It's very forgiving on densities and the easiest wick I've worked with.!

The saturation, flavor, vape, and amount of heat I can push is incredible.. I will be starting a thread on it, now that I've had experience with it for quite a while... what do you think - title - "just rayon" ?

 

[dice57]

inot, yeah for wicking the Aqua with verts, was trying to figure out how best to get max coil coverage, and came up with the kinney corner juice channel wick method, also this puts more wick in the chamber, giving a little bit reserve wick to hold extra juice inside. Wicking it that way, found the strands lock them selves into place nicely. Works for me quiet well. Been building the Aqua this way for several months. Actually have only built aqua 3 times, this last build has been in her 2 months a running. Just the recent dry burn and re-wick, same coil. lol The Ramie really brings improved Vape to her.

Jeremy, correct, Ramie imparts no flavor to the vape, super clean taste. Just BAM flavorful Vape. Yeah, drink you juice young man.!!! lol.

Is that like a subtle hint you post? lmao, think I beat you to that question. Will try for Monday, need to get some stamps anyways, used my last Forever the other day.

Instant great vape with Ramie too. Though does improve in a day or so, allowing for higher watts and better juice control, but the Vape quality remains constant, though wicking properties improve.

 

[JeremyR]

Well another day on the rayon and have had no issues whatsoever. I actually been able to put my mod down for a while because of the nic hit. All I changed was the wick from hemp fiber to rayon fiber.

I Get A hint of a dry hit coming.. Open the tank and it's bone dry! Not even a Drip came out of it. Seems impossible to flood, it controls the juice like a boss.

 

[JeremyR]

Here's my latest rewick with the rayon.

Trim tails thin and flush with ceramic when tucked in. Light in the channels

 

[TDC123]

JeremeyR asked me to post my attempts getting a vertical coil working in a Protank 3 mini over in another thread. Here is the attempt that was a total failure. It leaked and gurgled. You can't see it in these pics but I concerned myself primarily with trying to make a coil long enough to position it from just above the postive pin in the atomizer to the area in the wick channels where the top coil in the MPT3 dual coil setup would sit. The coil had to be so long that I couldn't make a tight micro coil. It worked poorly. I reworked it with a short micro coil that I expected to fail due to it's short length but that coil is working fine. It doesn't reach the top of the wicking channels at all and it also is positioned a good bit above the positive pin.

Anyway, pics of the failed coil.

I let the vertical coil in the MPT3 sit overnight. I thought I may get a gurgle first thing this morning but no. It's hitting smooth.

Here are some photos from the build that FAILED. I will take and uplod more photos this morning of the build that is working. I will also unwick the coil to get some photos, add new wicking and try a 50/50 juice.

Ok, the failed vertical coild build.