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bryaninaustin

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VCV is way too overrated. Just my opinion. Can't figure out why they're worshipped here. I wasn't impressed with my Night Shift or Peach Iced Tea. And after reading some of the pages here, there's a lot of unhappy campers as well.

Try Alchemy e-Lixirs 100% VG, All Natural & Organic e-Liquid for an alternate source for organic, 100% VG. They just put up sample packs.

Another line of pure VG juices that I've never read about here on ECF is Caterpillar E juice-Manufactures Of Premium Eliquid

If you have an opportunity to try the infamous Mad H, you'll never have to wonder about consistency, flavor and steeping (sigh) again. It's that good and I've never tried a better one. Go explore!


Why the campaign? You don't like VCV. We get it. So what. Move on. Start a thread about the vendors you like and stop trolling.

I suspect you haven't even tried these other vendors actually. You don't know Caterpillar is an 15/85 PG/VG mix and not "pure VG" and they are your favorite vendor? Hmmmmm....
 
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Why the campaign? You don't like VCV. We get it. So what. Move on. Start a thread about the vendors you like and stop trolling.

I suspect you haven't even tried these other vendors actually. You don't know Caterpillar is an 15/85 PG/VG mix and not "pure VG" and they are your favorite vendor? Hmmmmm....

Bryan SMASH! Grrr... :toast:

What exactly is your definition of 'trolling'? Because, like everyone else here, I'm entitled to my opinion about VCV and my experiences with the vendor. I don't believe I was being disrespectful, attacking anyone or dumping on their product. I was merely pointing out that for those less than pleased with the quality of their juices (and according to this lengthy thread, there's several), there are alternatives out there which I'd encourage them to try. Where's the harm? No agenda. No 'campaign'. Just helping people with choices. Afterall, if the vaping world revolved solely around VCV, Ahlusion, Mt. Baker and Boba's Bounty...the world would be kinda of a boring place for vapers, don't ya think?

As for Caterpillar, they must've fairly recently changed their formula with some PG. I know when I discovered them at ECC last year, they touted their prominence in the 100% VG market designed by a Cal Poly chemist. What a blunder. My apologies. And please, don't put words in my mouth. I never stated they were my favorite vendor.

Vape on!
 

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Bryan SMASH! Grrr... :toast:

What exactly is your definition of 'trolling'? Because, like everyone else here, I'm entitled to my opinion about VCV and my experiences with the vendor. I don't believe I was being disrespectful, attacking anyone or dumping on their product. I was merely pointing out that for those less than pleased with the quality of their juices (and according to this lengthy thread, there's several), there are alternatives out there which I'd encourage them to try. Where's the harm? No agenda. No 'campaign'. Just helping people with choices. Afterall, if the vaping world revolved solely around VCV, Ahlusion, Mt. Baker and Boba's Bounty...the world would be kinda of a boring place for vapers, don't ya think?

As for Caterpillar, they must've fairly recently changed their formula with some PG. I know when I discovered them at ECC last year, they touted their prominence in the 100% VG market designed by a Cal Poly chemist. What a blunder. My apologies. And please, don't put words in my mouth. I never stated they were my favorite vendor.

Vape on!

Hi Dan, sorry but I do have to agree with Bryan. Yes you are absolutely entitled to your juice opinions! Every SINGLE post is exactly that - someone's opinion of a particular juice! I think when you jump in and say things like "don't understand why they are worshipped" and "way overrated" etc etc that's borderline disrespectful on a thread of more happy campers than not with VCV. For instance, I'm not going to go over to the MBV thread or the Ahlusion thread and be like "MAN! I really don't understand why these have a following here! Please try these juices instead!" (Because that is my opinion esp with MBV - but seriously some things are better left unsaid - absolutely nothing good would come of me doing that.) I believe there are 100 VG threads for you to use as an outlet for suggesting others trying the vendors you named. Also, per the newest notice on the General E-liquid discussion forum, I think it is essential we stay ON TOPIC of VCV juices exclusively and what equipment we get the best flavor with them from. Thanks! :D
 

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Hi Dan, sorry but I do have to agree with Bryan. Yes you are absolutely entitled to your juice opinions! Every SINGLE post is exactly that - someone's opinion of a particular juice! I think when you jump in and say things like "don't understand why they are worshipped" and "way overrated" etc etc that's borderline disrespectful on a thread of more happy campers than not with VCV. For instance, I'm not going to go over to the MBV thread or the Ahlusion thread and be like "MAN! I really don't understand why these have a following here! Please try these juices instead!" (Because that is my opinion esp with MBV - but seriously some things are better left unsaid - absolutely nothing good would come of me doing that.) I believe there are 100 VG threads for you to use as an outlet for suggesting others trying the vendors you named. Also, per the newest notice on the General E-liquid discussion forum, I think it is essential we stay ON TOPIC of VCV juices exclusively and what equipment we get the best flavor with them from. Thanks! :D

Gotcha! Now, that makes more sense and articulated much more...eloquently. :)
 

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Bryan SMASH! Grrr... :toast:

What exactly is your definition of 'trolling'? Because, like everyone else here, I'm entitled to my opinion about VCV and my experiences with the vendor. I don't believe I was being disrespectful, attacking anyone or dumping on their product. I was merely pointing out that for those less than pleased with the quality of their juices (and according to this lengthy thread, there are several), there are alternatives out there which I'd encourage them to try. Where's the harm? No agenda. No 'campaign'. Just helping people with choices. Afterall, if the vaping world revolved solely around VCV, Ahlusion, Mt. Baker and Boba's Bounty...the world would be kinda of a boring place for vapers, don't ya think?

As for Caterpillar, they must've fairly recently changed their formula with some PG. I know when I discovered them at ECC last year, they touted their prominence in the 100% VG market designed by a Cal Poly chemist. What a blunder. My apologies. And please, don't put words in my mouth. I never stated they were my favorite vendor.

Vape on!

Point is I don't go on the MBV thread tell them I think MBV sucks and offer them unsolicited advice about superior juices they should be vaping instead. That would be bad form.

If someone asks, I would be happy to offer my opinion.

Alchemy I am sure is great stuff, but I don't see how they can justify their prices. 30ml with shipping costs the same as 5P. I have checked them out before and not ordered for that reason.



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I actually don't mind getting some other brand recommendations when it's done in a polite/respectful manner -- also when requested & when it's actually comparable (i.e., organic/natural high-VG that tastes pretty good at a reasonable price)

Way back somewhere in this thread I did ask about those a couple times.. but that was a while back

Reason being, as stated earlier, is the relatively small amount of VCV flavors.. not looking for hundreds, but another dozen or so wouldn't hurt.. guess they're making sure it's done right 1st... There are times when I wouldn't mind vaping some other fruits, desserts and/or beverages that I wish VCV made.. They don't at the moment, so sometimes you have to look elsewhere for those (when my current juice inventory drops significantly more, that is :D)

Again, as long as it's inquired about here, and is replied to in a polite/respectful manner, and it's actually comparable to VCV, I personally see no problem with that


As for some people here being less than pleased, yep, they'll pop up sometimes, that it wasn't for them, and move on -- that goes for any brand.. Can't please everybody all of the time, considering the fickle nature of vapers & their juice... No juice brand is perfect.. Weak/weird batches, flavor allergies, messed-up/slow orders, etc., happens with any brand... Given the amount of orders & bottles of various flavors & nic strengths I've gotten from VCV, I'd say they've been doing a pretty dern good job on all levels, in my eyes -- especially considering that it seems like they're growing at a pretty rapid rate... and there's good reason for that growth, methinks
 

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I had been meaning to update on my first order with VCV but forgot about it until just now.

Only took two days to arrive from order creation to vapemail pickup, across the country via First Class is impressive!

Ice Beard Tobacco is lovely. Not quite menthol compared to a couple others I've tried with similar descriptions, but it is equally refreshing, if not more so.

Burley Beard is also very good, "earthy" tobacco and not at all overpowering.

They threw in a 7ml sample of Blue Beard with the two 15ml bottles of the above and I can taste the subtle blend of berries in there. The range of just these 3 flavors are very similar to each other IMO, very much like the Halo tobacco sampler pack I ordered and quickly finished several months ago. Seems like both use very similar base liquid mixes and then use different combinations of flavorings to bring out the different notes.

All in all I am very satisfied, and the price is decent enough with these recent promotions to warrant another purchase when I run out. Will definitely be giving their Vanilla Custard a try since I haven't found one I really like yet.
 

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They threw in a 7ml sample...

:blink:

Why did I not notice that until now??


When I got my last order in like a couple weeks ago, I sort of thought something seemed a little off, but just chalked it up to me being more used to larger bottles (30 & 120), threw it in the back of the cupboard, and went about my business

Just looked now.. mine's a 6-7ml sample bottle, too!

Maaaaannnn...


Then again, this brings up the question: Does this mean VCV sample packs are coming back?
 

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I picked up some e-juice from VCV and I will definitely be ordering more soon. Currently I am enjoying Burley Beard Tobacco and Night Shift. No steeping needed for me as I loved them fresh out of the box. I have 4 other flavors and they are all very good, tho I am going to steep the Caramel Tobacco a while in hopes that the flavor will strengthen.

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I emailed them a few weeks ago asking about sample packs and they said:

"Unfortunately, we are not currently able to offer sample sized packages for sale. We are looking to offer this again in the future."

So it seems so...:)

They must be gearing up for the PG/VG line, as well as the new premium line, er, I mean "new third secret and special eliquid line-up"...


Of course, there will have to be celebratory sales when those launch.. :D
 

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My (roughly) 2.1 ohms are vaped anywhere from 6 - 7.5 watts / 3.5 - 4 volts... depending on the juice/flavor, my mood & my nic needs at any given time

How do you mean "hot"? I know if I start cranking up the voltage and/or chain-vape for too long, the silver metal band below the mouthpiece can oftentimes get fairly warm (which is why I wish the mouthpiece were a little longer).. but that cools down pretty quickly by cutting back on the 2 things above


Not sure why you're experiencing loss of vapor production.. Does it happen when the juice is getting low? If so, do you make sure the wicks are saturated? Sometimes I leave mine on their side to help with that.. Sometimes I'll also hold them horizontally & slowly twirl them around a few times, letting the juice coat all the wicks from top to bottom... Is any juice/condensation collecting up near the mouthpiece? If so, unscrew the mouthpiece & let the stuff go back down

Not sure what else it could be, other than which PV are you using? If it's a lower-end one, I'm wondering if maybe as the battery drains it's not giving off as much power as it does with a fully-charged one -- and hence vapor levels fall off


Keep in mind that the iClear 16 is a dual-coil, which means it takes more power to operate to its full potential.. also with a relatively higher ohm (2.1), that, too, takes more power than a lower one (say, a 1.5 ohm)

Here's a pretty cool spreadsheet showing the relationship between ohms, volts, watts & amp draw...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...xZLVd5aDkwUEJEZXc&f=true&noheader=false&gid=1


Finally... Not sure how long you've been using them, but maybe it's time for a rinse with warm water, then dry-burn & rinse again, like in that video? Night Shift will probably gunk it up a little quicker.. But if it's been 8 to 10 fills, it's definitely time... If not, is everything assembled tightly? Maybe the coil head (with wicks) isn't screwed tight enough to the base.. grab the knurled base (vertical grooves) & unscrew from the plastic tank part (w/no juice inside!), then grab the middle knurled part (bottom of head) & unscrew & then re-screw the head) and re-assemble again


Can be a little tricky to troubleshoot when you don't have it in front of you, but just throwing out a bunch of stuff off the top of my head

Might have to play around using any/all of the above suggestions.. but as you use a particular topper model more, you learn all its quirks & what-not, and adapt your vaping style, and troubleshooting & optimal peformance becomes 2nd nature

And if they're really new, like only 1 to 2 fills in, sometimes these things just take a couple fills before they start breaking in.. I don't recall with my 16's, but I remember my iClear 30's taking a couple fills & days before they started performing a lot better


Anyway, glad to hear you like them, otherwise.. You can get some surprisingly pretty sick vapor, flavor & throat-hits from these little buggers :D

P.S. I also vape at an angle.. not straight up & down, and not horizonally... more inbetween, maybe like a 45-degree angle? Helps with better wicking

My (roughly) 2.1 ohms are vaped anywhere from 6 - 7.5 watts / 3.5 - 4 volts... depending on the juice/flavor, my mood & my nic needs at any given time

How do you mean "hot"? I know if I start cranking up the voltage and/or chain-vape for too long, the silver metal band below the mouthpiece can oftentimes get fairly warm (which is why I wish the mouthpiece were a little longer).. but that cools down pretty quickly by cutting back on the 2 things above


Not sure why you're experiencing loss of vapor production.. Does it happen when the juice is getting low? If so, do you make sure the wicks are saturated? Sometimes I leave mine on their side to help with that.. Sometimes I'll also hold them horizontally & slowly twirl them around a few times, letting the juice coat all the wicks from top to bottom... Is any juice/condensation collecting up near the mouthpiece? If so, unscrew the mouthpiece & let the stuff go back down

Not sure what else it could be, other than which PV are you using? If it's a lower-end one, I'm wondering if maybe as the battery drains it's not giving off as much power as it does with a fully-charged one -- and hence vapor levels fall off


Keep in mind that the iClear 16 is a dual-coil, which means it takes more power to operate to its full potential.. also with a relatively higher ohm (2.1), that, too, takes more power than a lower one (say, a 1.5 ohm)

Here's a pretty cool spreadsheet showing the relationship between ohms, volts, watts & amp draw...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...xZLVd5aDkwUEJEZXc&f=true&noheader=false&gid=1


Finally... Not sure how long you've been using them, but maybe it's time for a rinse with warm water, then dry-burn & rinse again, like in that video? Night Shift will probably gunk it up a little quicker.. But if it's been 8 to 10 fills, it's definitely time... If not, is everything assembled tightly? Maybe the coil head (with wicks) isn't screwed tight enough to the base.. grab the knurled base (vertical grooves) & unscrew from the plastic tank part (w/no juice inside!), then grab the middle knurled part (bottom of head) & unscrew & then re-screw the head) and re-assemble again


Can be a little tricky to troubleshoot when you don't have it in front of you, but just throwing out a bunch of stuff off the top of my head

Might have to play around using any/all of the above suggestions.. but as you use a particular topper model more, you learn all its quirks & what-not, and adapt your vaping style, and troubleshooting & optimal peformance becomes 2nd nature

And if they're really new, like only 1 to 2 fills in, sometimes these things just take a couple fills before they start breaking in.. I don't recall with my 16's, but I remember my iClear 30's taking a couple fills & days before they started performing a lot better


Anyway, glad to hear you like them, otherwise.. You can get some surprisingly pretty sick vapor, flavor & throat-hits from these little buggers :D

P.S. I also vape at an angle.. not straight up & down, and not horizonally... more inbetween, maybe like a 45-degree angle? Helps with better wicking

Wow thanks so much! That's great info!

I think the main problem is me chain vaping that they get so hot, that the only time the vapor slows down. After reading your post a May turn up the volts a little bit too...I have a kanger 1000mah twist, not the best but it seems to do ok. Im thinking about getting a vision spinner to thow in rotation too. They are 3 bucks less and 1300mah. Iv also thought about getting one of those cheap no brand 1300mah spinners from fast tech for $13.

The other reason you mentioned for the lower vapor production is they are on their first 2 fills, that could also be the reason. I just clean one out and put a new flavor in so I'll see how this one goes. And your right, I noticed on my protanks that night shift does kind of gunk up the coils a bit.

I don't know how you get so many uses out of one coil without the wicks falling apart cleaning them so many times.

Thanks again for all the advice and I'll give these a shot and see how they go
 

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Wow thanks so much! That's great info!

I think the main problem is me chain vaping that they get so hot, that the only time the vapor slows down. After reading your post a May turn up the volts a little bit too...I have a kanger 1000mah twist, not the best but it seems to do ok. Im thinking about getting a vision spinner to thow in rotation too. They are 3 bucks less and 1300mah. Iv also thought about getting one of those cheap no brand 1300mah spinners from fast tech for $13.

The other reason you mentioned for the lower vapor production is they are on their first 2 fills, that could also be the reason. I just clean one out and put a new flavor in so I'll see how this one goes. And your right, I noticed on my protanks that night shift does kind of gunk up the coils a bit.

I don't know how you get so many uses out of one coil without the wicks falling apart cleaning them so many times.

Thanks again for all the advice and I'll give these a shot and see how they go

I basically have one clearo for every flavor, heh.. just keep refilling each like 8-10 times with the same flavor (for the 16's, anyway.. fewer for the 30's), then that's when I rinse/dry-burn/rinse... The wicks hold up surprisingly well.. they might get a little unraveled after a while, but they still work fine.. After cleaning, I also use the straightened paperclip trick to straighten the wicks after re-assembled (except the mouthpiece) prior to the fill

Once you get to "learn" whatever juices you've been using for a while, I don't even bother rinsing if I'm using a different flavor in there for some reason, if it's not time for a cleaning.. Just try to keep fruits with fruits, desserts with desserts, etc., if you want.. Though once I did get an interesting combo for a fill or two when I didn't rinse: put some Harvest Berry in a clearo that previously had Night Shift in there -- I called it "Jelly Doughnut" :D

Also another good use for Unflavored.. I'll use it for a fill or two between flavor changes.. gets the prior taste out without having to rinse the clearo


Anyway, that's the thing with a PV.. many of them, especially at the lower-end, aren't always firing at the level you set it to.. if you ever watch pbusardo on YouTube, for example, he'll use some sort of scope thing which displays on his computer... Basically shows graphs of what it should be firing at based on Ohm's Law, versus what it's actually firing at.. I've seen stuff with differences of half a volt!

So take my voltage/wattage range with a grain of salt.. Yours might be firing at a different level than what you set it to.. Just one of the many reasons why I finally got a very accurate ProVari :vapor:
 

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I basically have one clearo for every flavor, heh.. just keep refilling each like 8-10 times with the same flavor (for the 16's, anyway.. fewer for the 30's), then that's when I rinse/dry-burn/rinse... The wicks hold up surprisingly well.. they might get a little unraveled after a while, but they still work fine.. After cleaning, I also use the straightened paperclip trick to straighten the wicks after re-assembled (except the mouthpiece) prior to the fill

Once you get to "learn" whatever juices you've been using for a while, I don't even bother rinsing if I'm using a different flavor in there for some reason, if it's not time for a cleaning.. Just try to keep fruits with fruits, desserts with desserts, etc., if you want.. Though once I did get an interesting combo for a fill or two when I didn't rinse: put some Harvest Berry in a clearo that previously had Night Shift in there -- I called it "Jelly Doughnut" :D

Also another good use for Unflavored.. I'll use it for a fill or two between flavor changes.. gets the prior taste out without having to rinse the clearo


Anyway, that's the thing with a PV.. many of them, especially at the lower-end, aren't always firing at the level you set it to.. if you ever watch pbusardo on YouTube, for example, he'll use some sort of scope thing which displays on his computer... Basically shows graphs of what it should be firing at based on Ohm's Law, versus what it's actually firing at.. I've seen stuff with differences of half a volt!

So take my voltage/wattage range with a grain of salt.. Yours might be firing at a different level than what you set it to.. Just one of the many reasons why I finally got a very accurate ProVari :vapor:

Thanks again so much. I was using the iclear16s a bit today and they are doing pretty good. I like the night shift harvest berry idea, Iv thought about mixing a couple flavors before but just my opinion they are so good alone I just haven't been able to bring myself to do it yet. Maybe blue beard with harvest berry? Vanilla custard with ice beard? I dunno lol.
 
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