Vendor Production Locations

[joegti240]

Does anyone else wonder about WHERE their juice is coming from? For all we know this stuff could be made on some guys dirty kitchen counter, or in a bathroom. I have yet to find a supplier/vendor who is posting pictures proudly of where their production area is. Ive ordered from a handful of ejuice 'major suppliers' here and none (that ive seen) has any photos on their website showing where the juice is put together.

Im concerned with unclean conditions. I may look into getting bottles randomly tested by a lab for cleanliness...inside and out.

Maybe if someone out there knows of a supplier/vendor who is showing where the product is made can you post it?

 

[rob5482]

Personally I wouldn't be all too concerned with the juice, as VG/PG is a natural bactericide . I would be more concerned with how my equipment is handled during manufacturing as most is done over seas and there regs aren't quite as stringent as ours here concerning cleanliness.

PS, Howdy to annother Islander!! Island Park, NY here.

 

[joegti240]

I live out in the sticks

So that said...little buggers such as e coli and their buddies cannot live in these juices? But...they can live ON the bottle if it was involved in unsanitary production conditions.

 

[joegti240]

Personally I wouldn't be all too concerned with the juice, as VG/PG is a natural bactericide . I would be more concerned with how my equipment is handled during manufacturing as most is done over seas and there regs aren't quite as stringent as ours here concerning cleanliness.

PS, Howdy to annother Islander!! Island Park, NY here.

Also to add...manufacturing ejuice is not regulated by anything is it? I could buy the ingredients, mix em up, slap up a website and be in business.

 

[rob5482]

On the bottle yes I would assume they could, but so long as your not sucking on your fingers after you touch the bottles I don't think its too much of a concern. Guess you could always take an alcohol wipe to the bottles when ya get them.

I tend to worry more about things like eating out , and going to the store. Many more germs there that I cant control!!

Here is some food for thought, how often to you clean your tips? Drip tip, carts, carto's?? 100 million bacteria live in the mouth, and outside the mouth they flourish overwhelmingly!!! I clean mine every night before bed for that reason!

Definitely understand your concerns, but at least you can protect yourself to a point.

 

[redheadone]

I haven't seen any vendors here in the good ole USA showing their labs but there is a video I saw over at U-tube showing the china made e-juices. I was fairly impressed with how they handle things in their labs. They have to wear lab coats, goggles, masks, and gloves.

 

[joegti240]

I know, worrying about germs 'on the bottle' is a little trivial.

I guess seeing where my juice is made would put me at ease with some suppliers. I dont worry about it so much with my food as factories, restaurants and food marts are all regulated and checked by health inspectors on a regular basis...where i come from they are at least.

Are gloves worn? Is the area where my juice is made cleaned thoroughly each day? I dunno, its very mysterious to me...

This forum should make it policy that registered suppliers show pictures of their production facilities.

 

[Puffy545]

Johnsons Creek has a video.

 

[Elendil]

it is important to realize that ECF, first and foremost, is a discussion forum. We are a venue to discuss all things E cigarette related. We are not a regulatory agency of any kind, nor are we in partnership or have an interest in any supplier on the forum.

Because a supplier is registered with ECF does not imply any endorsement of said supplier. Any more than a listing in the phone book implies endorsement by the publisher of the directory. Also, we are not in any position to assess acceptable sterile conditions based upon a photograph. To try and do so would be irresponsible and open the forum up to liability that we would not be prepared to accept.

 

[rob5482]

LOL, work in the food industry for a little while and you too will laugh at the health inspectors. A restruant has to get so many violations in s period of time to be closed, or even fined. When they do get a violation they are given a period of time to fix it as well.

Cleanliness is NOT one of the things that is on the health inspectors main list. IE a cook uses the bathroom, and wipes, yes he is supposed to wash his hands but can they prove he did? NOPE.

 

[swedishfish]

Does anyone else wonder about WHERE their juice is coming from? For all we know this stuff could be made on some guys dirty kitchen counter, or in a bathroom. I have yet to find a supplier/vendor who is posting pictures proudly of where their production area is. Ive ordered from a handful of ejuice 'major suppliers' here and none (that ive seen) has any photos on their website showing where the juice is put together.

Im concerned with unclean conditions. I may look into getting bottles randomly tested by a lab for cleanliness...inside and out.

Maybe if someone out there knows of a supplier/vendor who is showing where the product is made can you post it?

Let me get this straight. You're a registered reviewer, you're asking vendors to contact you to have their juice reviewed and you're going to send the juice bottles in to be tested in a lab?

How's that working for you?

As I posted in your other thread, if you have so many concerns you ought to look into making your own juice. It's not rocket science and it'll ease some of your concerns.

 

[joegti240]

Let me get this straight. You're a registered reviewer, you're asking vendors to contact you to have their juice reviewed and you're going to send the juice bottles in to be tested in a lab?

How's that working for you?

As I posted in your other thread, if you have so many concerns you ought to look into making your own juice. It's not rocket science and it'll ease some of your concerns.

Not only am a i registered reviewer...im building websites for some of these folks.

If a company wants to send their bottles in to be reviewed, cool. Im going to get my hands on them regardless. Even further, to ensure 'good' samples, the name and address i purchase my juice with isnt the same name and address listed on my website (most of the time). Its not a ploy to get free juice...its cheap enough where buying it isnt a factor. I think the public should be a little better informed on what they're purchasing.

Not out for blood but if someone is making a product that is not up to standards in quality...it should be exposed.

 

[swedishfish]

Really? It sort of sounds like you are. You just joined the board, just started vaping and you're already making unrealistic demands of the forum as well as private vendors.

I'd suggest you buy your juice from China. It's where ecigs started and there are large companies that have been in business several years.

Do you know anything at all about ecigs in the US? Read the legislation section. They're trying to make these things illegal. No business is going to put a lot of money into something that may be closed down tomorrow. Read about the lawsuits. NY, your state is trying to ban the sale of them. You can't pay with paypal if they know it has anything to do with ecigs. Do you really think people are going to take pictures and flash them around and advertise?

In a perfect world, I might agree with you. And this is something I do know a little bit about. I worked for many years as a microbiologist in the food industry. I think we have to be happy there are vendors out there at all making good juices, very concerned with the products their selling. Most got there the same way we got here, trying to quit cigarettes.

I think instead of focusing a lot of energy into worry about the cleanliness of bottles and where juice is made we need to focus our attention on fighting bans and keeping the industry going. This just seems to be playing right into the FDA's hands. If that happens we won't need to worry about juice or lab conditions. Like I said, learn to make your own juice. Who knows, we may all have to do that one day.

 

[satelliteguy]

Actually no I do not wonder where the juice is coming from, there is a 99.8% chance the juice vendor is buying nic juice, pg and vg in bulk, using flavoring from a couple of the three or four different vendors for flavoring(pa,fa, cappellas), and they are making the attempt to put out recipes that people like. The juice isnt rocket science, personally I think we might be in the golden age of vaping, wait till the big corps take over and start loading the juice with more chemicals to make the stuff more addictive, the same way they did with analogs, I would worry more about the big corps mixing stuff scientifically engineered to hook you, than I care about a few folks mixing common ingredients that taste good.

 

[base234]

Im concerned with unclean conditions. I may look into getting bottles randomly tested by a lab for cleanliness...inside and out.

Are you going to post pictures of the testing lab?

 

[joegti240]

Really? It sort of sounds like you are. You just joined the board, just started vaping and you're already making unrealistic demands of the forum as well as private vendors.

I'd suggest you buy your juice from China. It's where ecigs started and there are large companies that have been in business several years.

Do you know anything at all about ecigs in the US? Read the legislation section. They're trying to make these things illegal. No business is going to put a lot of money into something that may be closed down tomorrow. Read about the lawsuits. NY, your state is trying to ban the sale of them. You can't pay with paypal if they know it has anything to do with ecigs. Do you really think people are going to take pictures and flash them around and advertise?

In a perfect world, I might agree with you. And this is something I do know a little bit about. I worked for many years as a microbiologist in the food industry. I think we have to be happy there are vendors out there at all making good juices, very concerned with the products their selling. Most got there the same way we got here, trying to quit cigarettes.

I think instead of focusing a lot of energy into worry about the cleanliness of bottles and where juice is made we need to focus our attention on fighting bans and keeping the industry going. This just seems to be playing right into the FDA's hands. If that happens we won't need to worry about juice or lab conditions. Like I said, learn to make your own juice. Who knows, we may all have to do that one day.

Youre probably right and i probably shouldnt care so much. And not sure how long one has to vape 'to not be new at vaping'. Im 4 months in without an analog and about 40 different bottles of ejuice sitting here.

I have been reading about the legislation thank you, no chance will they become illegal until they can find something wrong with them. The FDA has not been able to. Im not here to argue the politics of the juices...im here to ask to shed some light on the conditions the juice is made. Sorry that i have touched a nerve with you about that.

My plans are not to vape forever, id like to say in 6-9 months time i wont be inhaling anything with nicotine in it. This has been a nice way to get rid of the cancer sticks...lets hope i can stay away from them once i start wheening myself off the vapor. I cant say i really want to keep a 'hobby' that requires me to inhale foreign substance.

 

[OMG!]

How does one get to be a "Registered Reviewer"?

 

[Elendil]

How does one get to be a "Registered Reviewer"?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-reviewers-read-these-changes-affect-you.html

 

[joegti240]

I wanted to explain how to become a 'registered reviewer' but someone unkindly deleted my post. Not cool.

 

[satelliteguy]

I wanted to explain how to become a 'registered reviewer' but someone unkindly deleted my post. Not cool.

please refer to sign under admins signature, its possible it could apply to your situation, and or some of your posts.