VG always this thick?

[xbassman]

Today I processed some of my 100mg/ml nic from Wizard Labs.
I sure am glad I bought a graduated cylinder, cause when I tried to use a 14G needle to draw up some VG it was nearly impossible.

Luckily, I like high PG concentrations.
I mixed 30ml of my nic down to 30MG 60/40. With this mix, I can mix it down to my usual 18MG and not use any more VG at all.
That would result in a 76/24 final mix.

Any tips for VG handling that would make it easier?

 

[zoiDman]

Today I processed some of my 100mg/ml nic from Wizard Labs.
I sure am glad I bought a graduated cylinder, cause when I tried to use a 14G needle to draw up some VG it was nearly impossible.

Luckily, I like high PG concentrations.
I mixed 30ml of my nic down to 30MG 60/40. With this mix, I can mix it down to my usual 18MG and not use any more VG at all.
That would result in a 76/24 final mix.

Any tips for VG handling that would make it easier?

I Dilute my Pure VG with Bottled Water to about the consistency of the Final e-liquid. Perhaps just a Tad Thicker. Then I label the Diluted VG and store it in a Bottle.

When I go to do a DIY Recipe, I reach for the Diluted VG and add whatever the Recipe calls for VG wise.

A lot Easier than having to Dilute the VG every time

 

[Dougiestyle]

I'm guessing your nic is in VG at 100mg/mL. I'd say dilute that to 95mg/mL with PGA or distilled water. That will be easy enough to do with 95mL of base to 5mL of PGA or DW. This should be alot easier to work with in syringes.

I play hell getting plain VG into my larger batches with 10ml syringe and 14ga blunt needle, too. It's doable, but tedious and time consuming.

If it weren't for the nic, I'd say you can heat the VG to thin it also. Heat affects nic tho, so carry on with this with informed decisions.

 

[patkin]

Since nic base is the smallest amount by volume in the juice and at your concentration, the most dangerous thing being handled, I always order it 100% PG. But that's hindsight. One solution is to go to a feed store and buy the biggest leuger lock syringe they carry... much cheaper than any vendor syringe... and if it still doesn't work with the needle on, remove it and just use the syringe part. Also, if you can get your hands on a meat marinating syringe (some marinades at the grocers come with one) then use it with needle or without. I use one to clean my cartomizers and the syringe is the circumference of one of those.

 

[xbassman]

Actually my nic is PG.

I wound up pouring the VG straight from it's container, then mixed the nic/PG/VG with a metal skewer before using a 20ml syringe to transfer it to 50ml containers.
I may go ahead and buy some 60ml glass bottles though.
The remaining 90ml of my nic was easily transferred to 3 30ml amber bottles pouring directly to and from my graduated cylinder.

I have both PGA and distilled water.
This is the first I've heard of thinning VG.

 

[patkin]

Don't go beyond 30% distilled water (overall) in the juice. When I was having a VG problem, that's how I ordered it.

 

[glasseye]

Was your VG in the fridge or is it cold? I noticed mine from the fridge thins out a bit as it warms to room temp.

 

[mostlyclassics]

Back in the 1960's when I was in college, we made our own "Château d'Yquem." The real Château d'Yquem is a fabulous -- and fabulously expensive -- sweet desert wine from Bordeaux in France. In really good years, the grapes are affected by what's called "la poiriture noble," the noble rot, which shrivels the grapes into raisins and, incidentally, concentrates the natural glycerine.

What college student back then could afford what is now a $150 bottle of wine? None of us, that's for sure.

So we rolled our own "Château d'Yquem." Back then, most California Sauvignon blanc wines were made sweet. (Now, they're mostly dry -- and much better wines.) You could get a bottle of buffalo-whizz Sauvignon blanc for about $1.29, and it even came with a cork. No screw-cap, like Thunderbird or Ripple. And since Sauvignon blanc is one of the principal grapes in Château d'Yquem, we figured we were halfway there. To get the rest of the way, we reasoned, just add glycerine to get that delicious unctuousness of the real Château d'Yquem.

About a tablespoonful of glycerine (purloined from the biochem lab, naturally) should do the trick, right? We poured a heaping tablespoonful of glycerine into the bottle, pounded in the cork, then shook the bottle. And shook it. And shook it. After about ten minutes, the glycerine was still an oleaginous mass at the bottom of the bottle.

We finally fastened on the idea of pouring out half the wine into another bottle, then furiously shaking the half-full bottle with the glycerine. Finally it mixed. Then we poured back in the wine we'd removed and shook it again.

Delicious! Well, we thought so.

The moral of this story is to always cut your glycerine with something thinner, and make sure you have plenty of air space to stir or shake.

 

[Uncle Sam]

This is turning us all into chemists!!


Sweet. VAPE ON!!

 

[xbassman]

hmm....

Seems like DW or especially PGA would evaporate leaving the final nic concentration higher.
I think I may do as voiDman suggested and dilute some in a separate container for final mixing.

BTW- I've got my first DIY mix in a hot bath now.
tc1's Rwhy4 @ 18mg 76/24.
I figure I'll give it a test after dinner.

 

[xbassman]

Was your VG in the fridge or is it cold? I noticed mine from the fridge thins out a bit as it warms to room temp.

Nope.....
It arrived yesterday and was cold.
I gave it 24 hours to acclimate to room temp.

 

[yzer]

I dilute my 100 mg nicotine in Glycerine USP with graduated cylinders, as well.

I give the Glycerin a warm water bath in a small sink to heat it prior to mixing. I use a thermometer in the bath. 100-110 degrees F warms it enough for easy mixing.

In addition to using disposable latex gloves and protective eye glasses I use a respirator fitted with organic vapor cartridges. The warmed 100 mg will fume some nicotine vapor during handling and I don't have a fume hood to work under. I happened to have a respirator on hand from my work with boats. You can purchase a good respirator at the hardware store for about $20.

 

[xbassman]

Thanks yzer....

Definitely gonna warm the VG on my next batch.
The only other thing you do that I didn't, is the respirator.
I used a gloss top stove as a work surface.
It has a vent hood.

 

[yzer]

That stove top hood should work for you. I have a hood over the range but no flat top and work at the kitchen island counter, instead.

 

[Dave Bowser]

Yzer, wow you get the 100% nic! OK how much do you cut it down to and how much do you cut it with to get to your target?

 

[BillLouisiana]

I would never dilute VG over 10%.
I'm guessing the nic used is 100mg/ml and NOT 100% (1000mg/ml)

 

[Dave Bowser]

I would never dilute VG over 10%.
I'm guessing the nic used is 100mg/ml and NOT 100% (1000mg/ml)

Well that is a given on the 100% nic LOL 100mg/ml.
So you use a 90 VG 10 something else then, right?

I would rather stay away from PG if possible. I know it is inhale able and all that, but.

 

[BillLouisiana]

I've purchased juices where the VG was diluted by 10% Distilled Water. Personally, most of the juices I make are either 30/70 or 20/80 PG/VG. They work well for dripping and the 30/70 works in my carto tanks. I LOVE the heavy vapor either mixyure produces.
The juices diluted with water didn't produce as much vapor

 

[Bosco]

Here is the best tip EVER for working with VG and VG based nic.

Assemble your syringe as normal but pull the plunger out. Pour your liquid into the syringe from the top. When you've added the amount you need, replace the plunger. Remove the needle and dispense into your container.

Obviously, the larger syringes are easier to pour into. I use a 20ml syring to mix up my nic base 60 mls at a time. I can just pour right out of the bottle . .no need for a funnel.

 

[Thompson]

I found that the syringes w/o needle on will suction up 100% VG no problem. Put that needle on there, even lower gauges, and it'll stop right in its tracks.

I did find a 'meat injector' needle that is Luer lock that needs some minor modification, but I think it'll pull VG no problem as its absolutely huge. Since the syringe can pull VG by itself, I'm guessing that reduction won't hinder anything. But it'll be awhile before I get around to testing this setup.

Its a shame the syringe that the needle came with is absolute garbage. Its a 60mL syringe, which would make divvying up nic base into smaller bottles a breeze...if it worked well.