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Word of warning for anyone else who has a corn allergy- commercial citric acid and malic acid are often made of corn- one of the reasons I diy. I have had reactions to certain venders e-juice that are straight up my corn reactions.
LOL believe it or not I do troll the forums when I am not busy
But think about it, most everything we use has been PH adjusted for our consumption or skin use. Why would ejuice be any different? Making a neutral ejuice would be easier on the lungs and digestive system. It would be interesting to incorporate this into the calculator by using real world test. i.e. litmus paper to see the PH balance after the key ingredients are added and come up with a formula that works in all cases to modify a high alkaline ejuice back to neutral. 8 drops per 10ml seems to be the norm in virtue of taste but I would like to see it on a litmus test to confirm the taste test as it were. I personally have not used anything but MM, citric acid, and maltic acid with good results, but I am leaning toward lemon juice and vinegar (less allergy reactions) based on the litmus test to find the calculations I would need to extrapolate a consistent formula that could be replicated at different mg and ml quantities.
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Dan
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Exactly anyone doing testing on this stuff needs to have some litmus strips . Blue for acids ,red for base or universal for a more accurate reading . Iv been holding off finishing my testing until the strips i ordered comes in .
What are the ingredients of the lemon juice you guys have been using? I did a quick check in my local grocery store and all I found was a bottle of what they call "lemon eco juice" which actually consists of 80% water and 20% lemon concentrate + acid regulator (citric acid). Am I better off buying a real lemon and squeezing some juice out of it myself?
Here are the ones I bought and am waiting for:
Amazon.com: Micro Essential Lab 9800 pHydrion pH Range: 0.0 To 14.0, 100 pH Strips/Vial, Plastic pH Test Strips: Industrial & Scientific
Dan
LOL believe it or not I do troll the forums when I am not busy
But think about it, most everything we use has been PH adjusted for our consumption or skin use. Why would ejuice be any different? Making a neutral ejuice would be easier on the lungs and digestive system. It would be interesting to incorporate this into the calculator by using real world test. i.e. litmus paper to see the PH balance after the key ingredients are added and come up with a formula that works in all cases to modify a high alkaline ejuice back to neutral. 8 drops per 10ml seems to be the norm in virtue of taste but I would like to see it on a litmus test to confirm the taste test as it were. I personally have not used anything but MM, citric acid, and maltic acid with good results, but I am leaning toward lemon juice and vinegar (less allergy reactions) based on the litmus test to find the calculations I would need to extrapolate a consistent formula that could be replicated at different mg and ml quantities.
More to follow.
Dan
Now that would be fun, ph balancing right on the calculator. The fact that some vendors use citric acid in their base to control taste & odor could make it a challange.
I believe I have read here somewhere that what is sold in the US as "concentrated lemon juice" is actually pretty pure diluted citric acid.
The lemon juice sold here in Finland is more like what you describe, and I find it so cloudy that I haven't used it in any juice. Instead I bought some citric acid at a pharmacy (food grade, can be used for making jams etc, but is most often used for household cleaning - coffee makers etc), but haven't diluted any of it yet to play with.
Actually malic acid is more what will work best . Citic acid peaks and diminishes quickly where malic acid doesnt diminish and smooths out the PH range which also adds shelf life .
The cocentrated lemon juice I buy from the grocery is concentrated lemon juice. It is cloudy, but the amount added is small enough that I can't believe it's going to make any kind of difference in...well....anything. I've also been using a 'cloudy' natural cider vinegar (with mother...a tip of the hat to Lindagale(sp?)
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The cocentrated lemon juice I buy from the grocery is concentrated lemon juice. It is cloudy, but the amount added is small enough that I can't believe it's going to make any kind of difference in...well....anything. I've also been using a 'cloudy' natural cider vinegar (with mother...a tip of the hat to Lindagale(sp?)
The lemon juice most of us been using come in a lemon shape bottle . It is cloudy . I dont know about cloudy ACV . Mine is reddish amber a no cloudiness . One drop of lemon juice does make a difference . remember its not being used to enhance juices by enhancing flavor . It enhances the PH which doesnt need much acid to change . The changing of the PH is what makes the juice taste different/better
Hi Tona,
The juice I got here is actually Swedish and it is indeed sightly cloudy. Maybe I should rather drink it
The citric acid that you've mentioned, I figure it's sold as powder, correct? I was looking at it too but wasn't sure exactly how to dilute it. Any recipes?
In fact, I'm not that worried about it being cloudy, as the ACV I've experimented with isn't very clear either but that doesn't appear to have any visual impact on the liquid. I'm more concerned about the lemon juice I've got here being too diluted for the dosages mentioned above in this thread (1-3 drops per 5 ml). I think we may need to stick to more globalized products to keep our recipes and reports in sync and thus more precise
So, anyone tried any real lemon juice from a real lemon? 
In fact, I'm not that worried about it being cloudy, as the ACV I've experimented with isn't very clear either but that doesn't appear to have any visual impact on the liquid. I'm more concerned about the lemon juice I've got here being too diluted for the dosages mentioned above in this thread (1-3 drops per 5 ml). I think we may need to stick to more globalized products to keep our recipes and reports in sync and thus more precise
I read somewhere just yesterday (sorry, I can't remember where...I surf a lot) that the ph of an actual lemon varies significantly, so you're better off using a concentrate.
added: also, thinking about it, if we're getting these results using concentrated lemon juice, imagine how much real lemon juice you'd have to add to get the same results...
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I didn't realize lemons vary in acidity that much. Not that I thought about acidity in lemons much before recently
And yes, you probably do have a point as far as the level of concentration. Perhaps if everyone testing and reporting their findings used litmus strips in the process, the final results would be more accurate
Meanwhile, need to investigate more, perhaps some groceries around here carry something more concentrated.
I didn't realize lemons vary in acidity that much. Not that I thought about acidity in lemons much before recently
And yes, you probably do have a point as far as the level of concentration. Perhaps if everyone testing and reporting their findings used litmus strips in the process, the final results would be more accurate
Meanwhile, need to investigate more, perhaps some groceries around here carry something more concentrated.
Just a thought, but would amazon.com be an option for you? I haven't checked (probably should've before posting huh?) but they carry a lot of grocery items....
added: an example http://www.amazon.com/ReaLemon-100%25-Lemon-Juice-btls/dp/B001RNX4W0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328127198&sr=8-1 It's a lot, but if you can't get it there...?? Here's another (both offer free ship over $25) and it's great for cooking, etc http://www.amazon.com/ReaLemon-Lemon-2-5-Ounce-Squeeze-Bottles/dp/B000LL7FT2/ref=sr_1_9?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1328127274&sr=1-9
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Ok so I was playing with numbers and came up with a simplistic calculator for figuring how much vinegar or lemon juice was needed for the total nic juice recipe. I set it so you can plug in the number of drops that = 1ml. Based on that if the ml amount is to small to measure for the mix then you can use drops. I will refine this as I can test results with the litmus paper.
Here it is:
PH Calc
Dan
Here it is:
PH Calc
Dan
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