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Just wondering...has anyone tried true lemon (in eLiquids of course). It's concentrated lemon powder
http://truelemonstore.com
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Wow. Ok. I just finished reading all 65 pages of this thread between yesterday and today. A lot to take in I tell ya!
I haven't even gotten around to actually mixing any juice (just ordered my ingredients yesterday from Wizard and MFS) and now more possibilities are open.
Several pages back, people were asking where they can get Malic Acid. Well, you can buy it at The Vitamin Shoppe. And on Amazon.
I haven't even gotten around to actually mixing any juice (just ordered my ingredients yesterday from Wizard and MFS) and now more possibilities are open.
Several pages back, people were asking where they can get Malic Acid. Well, you can buy it at The Vitamin Shoppe. And on Amazon.
I too read all 65 pages...it took me a week. I found lots of good information. I ordered malic acid, citric acid and tartaric acid from The Home Brewery...link provided by Pete. Thank you Pete for starting this thread and all who contributored to this thread. Lots of good information.
im convinced. add lemon juice in small amounts to my fruity DIYs.
thanks for the thread.
I have a few types of lemon juice i bought from the market, and just like the inquiry above i am not sure which one to use. one seems to be oil based (McCormick?), and another has a bunch of additives that is listed below. the other is the Italian lemon juice concentrate.
Thoughts on which one is better?
thanks for the thread.
I have a few types of lemon juice i bought from the market, and just like the inquiry above i am not sure which one to use. one seems to be oil based (McCormick?), and another has a bunch of additives that is listed below. the other is the Italian lemon juice concentrate.
Thoughts on which one is better?
NO OIL,PLEASE ! Lungs aren't designed to handle oil..just like they aren't designed to handle tar.
Drink or eat oils, but don't inhale them, for Levi's sake!
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Don't forget wine vinegar and balsamic vinegar for fruity or nutty flavors. Lime juice (I have used Real Lime brand) works same as lemon, if you prefer lime to lemon. Just remember, all of these things are acidic and thus corrosive. How corrosive depends on how acidic they are. (Note that cola syrup it it's concentrated form is so corrosive it is is considered hazardous material for shipping purposes so being an acidic corrosive is not necessarily bad, just something to be aware of.)
littlest Levi!!
gonna try and mix a couple things this weekend, strawberry lemonade and mango cantaloupe. i have no idea what to add on top of the flavorings, EM and lemon juice in small amounts?
Works for me, but you might not need the EM. I'd try it without then add EM, if needed.
What i though was EM is listed as HDV sweetener 5% PG. is this the same thing?
I just did the same test. Dropped 3 drops of white vinegar to 1ml of RY4 just to see what happens. I taste a touch of vinegar (3 drops might be too much), other than that the RY4 become smoother, little sweeter, the flavors are more equalized. Now, that's not how I want my RY4 to taste, I want some flavors to jump out but surely Vinegar seems useful for flavor tweaking. Maybe even for trying to fix bad/unbalanced mixes to some extend.
Balsamic has a lot of sugar so I wouldn't recommend it.
I put lemon drops in my fruit but not sure if I put any in my tobaccos. Gotta check my notes.
Just a note from a Lemon Lover: The store brand, "ReaLemon®," sold in bottles and also plastic lemons, is more oily than generic lemon juice. My opinion is it has more peel and "zest" and oil. I prefer cheap-o no-name for e-juice, seems stronger without imparting so much "artificial" lemon taste. Because the ReaLemon brand tastes far from a fresh lemon. Don't know what they do to ReaLemon® or how they make it, but as a life-long lemon lover, I think it simply sucks on all levels in food or drink.
But in e-juice, I'm using generic lemon juice only for sour-tart-inizing (lol) fruit juices and pH balance. So it may not matter after all, using ReaLemon or generic. Malic is great for fruits but that super artificial sour is wearing on me and I'm finding cheap lemon juice and vinegar, a drop of each in 3 to 5 mls of juice, depending on juice, is bringing out sour subtlties without chemical overload.
Wish I could turn a fresh crisp Granny Smith into a few drops of sour flavor. Anyone know how to do that?
ReaLemon® ingredients: http://www.simplydixon.com/2011/03/10/realemon-juice-real-or-fake/
And thanks for everyone's excellent hard work here.
Edit: Just remembered: LEMON JUICE AND THROAT HIT: A long time ago, I realized that a cup of hot tea with a good amount, a teaspoon or two, of lemon juice, improved the experience of analog smoking. At first I thought it was the tea, but came to realize that it was the steam and lemon juice, I think it had an effect on cleaning out my lungs, or making them more susceptible to throat-hit. So, lemon juice in e-juice might increase throat hit in the same way, as any acid, it might scrape around there in the lungs and perhaps increase absorption of other stuff. Even now, with e-smoking, a cup of hot tea with lemon (sip and slurp it in and get the vapor in your lungs) adds to the enjoyment of vaping. (If heavy throat hit is your thing, as it is mine. Love that raunchy, pins-&-needles throat-hit, like a very-well-done steak or burger, love the taste of carbon, a devil's pleasure to be sure, but so much more enjoyable now that I quit analogs, as far as smoking goes.)
Okay, so I think the cheap generic lemon juice may be more citric acid and probably cheap concentrate, whereas I guess ReaLemon® uses the formula: "Let's buy the cheapest lemon juice concentrate we can on the open market, mix it with industrial lemon oil and other preservatives and bleaching agents to keep the color 'lemony fresh' and ... Who cares?...."
"It's all BS and it's bad for ya, folks." -- the late great George Carlin.
My problem, like most, is I am simply a glutton and a lush. I expect each batch to be better than the last, I expect each hit to give me the best blast of flavor comparable to the best orgasm I ever had, who doesn't and who wouldn't? But chemistry and taste don't work that way, there are thresholds and depletion and chemical entropy and just keep vaping gallons and gallons and you'll drown in a smorgasbord of tasteless mediocrity. Or just keep .........ing -- the fun kinda wears off after a few times if you do it consecutively and often. Gotta take a break once in a while, rejuvenate the buds, shed some tolerance. Exercise. Metabolism works wonders for re-enjoyment of just about everything.
But in e-juice, I'm using generic lemon juice only for sour-tart-inizing (lol) fruit juices and pH balance. So it may not matter after all, using ReaLemon or generic. Malic is great for fruits but that super artificial sour is wearing on me and I'm finding cheap lemon juice and vinegar, a drop of each in 3 to 5 mls of juice, depending on juice, is bringing out sour subtlties without chemical overload.
Wish I could turn a fresh crisp Granny Smith into a few drops of sour flavor. Anyone know how to do that?
ReaLemon® ingredients: http://www.simplydixon.com/2011/03/10/realemon-juice-real-or-fake/
And thanks for everyone's excellent hard work here.
Edit: Just remembered: LEMON JUICE AND THROAT HIT: A long time ago, I realized that a cup of hot tea with a good amount, a teaspoon or two, of lemon juice, improved the experience of analog smoking. At first I thought it was the tea, but came to realize that it was the steam and lemon juice, I think it had an effect on cleaning out my lungs, or making them more susceptible to throat-hit. So, lemon juice in e-juice might increase throat hit in the same way, as any acid, it might scrape around there in the lungs and perhaps increase absorption of other stuff. Even now, with e-smoking, a cup of hot tea with lemon (sip and slurp it in and get the vapor in your lungs) adds to the enjoyment of vaping. (If heavy throat hit is your thing, as it is mine. Love that raunchy, pins-&-needles throat-hit, like a very-well-done steak or burger, love the taste of carbon, a devil's pleasure to be sure, but so much more enjoyable now that I quit analogs, as far as smoking goes.)
Okay, so I think the cheap generic lemon juice may be more citric acid and probably cheap concentrate, whereas I guess ReaLemon® uses the formula: "Let's buy the cheapest lemon juice concentrate we can on the open market, mix it with industrial lemon oil and other preservatives and bleaching agents to keep the color 'lemony fresh' and ... Who cares?...."
"It's all BS and it's bad for ya, folks." -- the late great George Carlin.
My problem, like most, is I am simply a glutton and a lush. I expect each batch to be better than the last, I expect each hit to give me the best blast of flavor comparable to the best orgasm I ever had, who doesn't and who wouldn't? But chemistry and taste don't work that way, there are thresholds and depletion and chemical entropy and just keep vaping gallons and gallons and you'll drown in a smorgasbord of tasteless mediocrity. Or just keep .........ing -- the fun kinda wears off after a few times if you do it consecutively and often. Gotta take a break once in a while, rejuvenate the buds, shed some tolerance. Exercise. Metabolism works wonders for re-enjoyment of just about everything.
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I mixed about 1 drop of cider vinegar per 1 ml of juice (Cranberry flavor from Mt Baker Vapor). Vapor, throat hit, and taste went way down, but it certainly made me light headed.
After reading this thread over the weekend I got out the white vinegar and have been testing about 7 - 5ml batches to see how it works on my mixes. So far after speed steeping the mixes they we just not as good as I thought they could be. I added 1 drop per 5ml's re-steeped the batches and this really smoothed them out. I think I'm getting more lung hit then throat hit. For me this is way more important bc it is more like smoking then the throat hit is. I will try out adding more vinegar to a batch to see if it improves the juice, but for the moment I'm pleased with the results. Thank you all for the great info. it's been a big help.
I have 120ml 80/20 pg/vg 36mg juice from azure vaping, caramel tobacco. It's been steeping for about 45 days, been using it in small amounts to toss into other juices. Dark orange color, and very strong caramel/perfumey/astringent notes. Pulled off 30ml and added red wine vinegar starting with 3 drops. Ended up at 9 drops per 30ml where I could just start to detect a hint of acidity in the vape, but it's vapable straight now, and after overnight with cap off, it's MASSIVELY improved flavor!
Thank you for the awesome thread folks.
Thank you for the awesome thread folks.
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