Vinegar?

[UA72Riddle]

I see an awful lot of pushing the "tart and sour". I'm glad it's working for you str8, but isn't the point of this thread to find out what the secret is for ourselves....rather than spending MORE money buying their bottled up secret ingredient?

I have never mixed....only recently made my first order of flavoring (thanks to str8), but if all I am hearing is that most of the flavors are missing something, have a bad taste that can't be described, etc......and this is a step toward eliminating that problem...I think we should keep at it until we figure it out.

I have a couple of friends that were members turned juice suppliers.....so I can't ask for many mixing tips anymore...because I only get half answers. And I don't blame them. They make amazing juice. But that just tells me they figured it out. I'm not trying to compete or put them out of business.....I just want to save me as much money as I can in a world that gets more expensive by the day.

The answers are out there.....we just have to find them. Then when we do, we can pass them along to all of new mixers like myself that don't want to fail after spending gobs of money on DIY supplies.

 

[Str8V8ping]

I see an awful lot of pushing the "tart and sour". I'm glad it's working for you str8, but isn't the point of this thread to find out what the secret is for ourselves....rather than spending MORE money buying their bottled up secret ingredient?

I have never mixed....only recently made my first order of flavoring (thanks to str8), but if all I am hearing is that most of the flavors are missing something, have a bad taste that can't be described, etc......and this is a step toward eliminating that problem...I think we should keep at it until we figure it out.

I have a couple of friends that were members turned juice suppliers.....so I can't ask for many mixing tips anymore...because I only get half answers. And I don't blame them. They make amazing juice. But that just tells me they figured it out. I'm not trying to compete or put them out of business.....I just want to save me as much money as I can in a world that gets more expensive by the day.

The answers are out there.....we just have to find them. Then when we do, we can pass them along to all of new mixers like myself that don't want to fail after spending gobs of money on DIY supplies.

Im not pushing tart and sour . Im saying in my testing out of everything listed here that i tried tart and sour gave the best results for me . THe point of this thread is Citric acid . VInegar being a acetic and citric acid , lemon juice being citric acid and tart and sour being citric and malic acid so tart and sour is exactly what this thread is about . Using tart and sour is the same trick as the others which is to enhance juice as well as improve the shelf life . Tart and sour is slightly more expensive at 1.00 per oz but IMO <(not pushing) it gave ME the best results . Im not saying vinegar or whatever else doesnt work as i have dropper bottles filled with white vinegar,apple cider vinegar, lemon juice and a bottle of tartandsour . If anything someone else is pushing tartandsour because i wasnt even planning to get it until this thread and people telling me it worked the best when i was originally using the vinegar and lemon juice . This thread is to give a opinion on what worked best for us and after testing all of them i found t&S to work for ME

SO what im saying is its exactly the point of this thread expecially when it branched out from vinegar alone . The thread isnt the cheapest way of improving your juice it the best way to improve your juice and like we all agree including me is that citric acid does improve our juice .

The basis of what brought me to my opinion was testing all 4 of them in about the last 5-10 mixes i made . I split each mix into 4 sections and used a drop or two of each type into them . I did this on both bakery/dessert and fruits except for tobaccos so tobaccos i have no opinion on .If you read through the posts you will see that i started testing with vinegar and lemon juice first and did also find a big improvement .

I am still most interested in caramel color and pure citric acid in powder form .

 

[AzPlumber]

Finally got around to playing with the vinegar a bit. I chose to use distilled white and have added it to a few liquids that I have been making for a few months. I chose these liquids because I know what they taste like and any difference should be easy to detect.

My first impression is good, I added three drops to 10ml of a batch of RY4 that I made several weeks ago. This is a complex mix with 7 components besides VG, PG & nic and after just a few hours it has made a positive difference. This liquid IMO already good but the vinegar has helped to blend these components together a bit further.

Thanks Pete for a great suggestion

 

[UA72Riddle]

Sorry str8, wrong choice of words on my part. Didn't mean it the way it sounds after rereading.

 

[Jimi D.]

It's too bad that I taste the vinegar, even with one drop per 10ml. Tart and sour does not work for me.. Carto killer.. I just ordered Magic Mask and I'm done with it..

 

[pinellaspete]

I am still most interested in caramel color and pure citric acid in powder form .

We will figure this out!

Most fruits contain tartaric acid, malic acid and citric acid. The levels of each acid vary depending on each different fruit. Grapes are very high in tartaric acid, have quite a bit of malic acid and just a small amount of citric acid when they are ripe. These levels change throughout the growing process. If you were to test unripened grapes you would find them to be very sour and have a large amount of citric acid in them at that point.

Green apples contain a large amount of malic acid but also contain some tartaric and citric acid.

What I'm getting at is that a combination of all 3 acids and maybe with vinegar(acedic acid) will probably be the best. In some juices you might only need one of these, I don't know at this point though.

I have ordered some tartaric acid and malic acid but won't receive them until sometime later next week. Then we can see what kind of results they produce.

One thing I do know, there will not be ONE magic acid that works BEST with every juice! Some juices might need just one, some might require a combination or a different acid.

I really don't think that there will be a large difference between citric acid and lemon juice though. Lemon juice is made using citric acid and is already mixed to a pH of around 2.0. I think the pH of pure citric acid is right around 2.0.

Has anyone tried tartaric acid or malic acid yet?

Pete

 

[Jimi D.]

We will figure this out!

Most fruits contain tartaric acid, malic acid and citric acid. The levels of each acid vary depending on each different fruit. Grapes are very high in tartaric acid, have quite a bit of malic acid and just a small amount of citric acid when they are ripe. These levels change throughout the growing process. If you were to test unripened grapes you would find them to be very sour and have a large amount of citric acid in them at that point.

Green apples contain a large amount of malic acid but also contain some tartaric and citric acid.

What I'm getting at is that a combination of all 3 acids and maybe with vinegar(acedic acid) will probably be the best. In some juices you might only need one of these, I don't know at this point though.

I have ordered some tartaric acid and malic acid but won't receive them until sometime later next week. Then we can see what kind of results they produce.

One thing I do know, there will not be ONE magic acid that works BEST with every juice! Some juices might need just one, some might require a combination or a different acid.

I really don't think that there will be a large difference between citric acid and lemon juice though. Lemon juice is made using citric acid and is already mixed to a pH of around 2.0. I think the pH of pure citric acid is right around 2.0.

Has anyone tried tartaric acid or malic acid yet?

Pete

Flavourart combines all three in the Magic Mask.. But what amounts? That is the question..

 

[Str8V8ping]

Flavourart combines all three in the Magic Mask.. But what amounts? That is the question..

I like magic mask and do use it sometimes but a lot of times i cant tell a real difference and often think the change is all in my head . I usually use 1 drop per 5ml though so maybe im not using enough .

This is what i got from emailing FA about the 3 wizard/mask

"Unfortunatly we cannot divulge the formulas with ingredients of our flavours. We can just say that Vape Wizard Is a sweet tobacco flavour,Bitter Wizard naturally is a bitter tobacco and the Magick is a sweet flavour with a redoubt amount of PH.
Regards
Flavour Art Team (Marco)"

 

[Jimi D.]

I like magic mask and do use it sometimes but a lot of times i cant tell a real difference and often think the change is all in my head . I usually use 1 drop per 5ml though so maybe im not using enough .

Taste it alone and check if it's acidic.

 

[AzPlumber]

Jimi, both str8 and I tasted the MM a couple of weeks ago and neither of us tasted any type of acidity.

 

[AzPlumber]

Below is the reply FA sent srt8's regarding MM, BW & MTS VW. It would seem that MM has a heavy (redoubt) amount of PH so that should make it very alkaline.

"Unfortunatly we cannot divulge the formulas with ingredients of our flavours. We can just say that Vape Wizard Is a sweet tobacco flavour,Bitter Wizard naturally is a bitter tobacco and the Magick is a sweet flavour with a redoubt amount of PH.
Regards
Flavour Art Team (Marco)"

 

[Jimi D.]

Now that's a sweeeet post.. I can't wait to use the magick mask.. Thanks AZ...

 

[mahv]

I've too been following this thread with interest and made a little DIY experiment with vinegar and my current favorite DIY recipe (Flamingo by Breaktru)
Right after adding drops I thought I ruined my juice, the taste I enjoyed so much was gone but after 2 hours steeping- wow...sinfully good! More body, more taste...thank you for good thread!

 

[GoodDog]

It IS a great thread! Probably the best I've seen here. Thanks to all that have contributed, it's made a big difference in my mixes.

 

[AzPlumber]

And we all thought Pete had flip his chair and hit his head on concrete

 

[GoodDog]

LOL Yeah, when I saw the title I thought, oh there we go another nut job!

 

[Jimi D.]

LOL Yeah, when I saw the title I thought, oh there we go another nut job!

OMG!!! Has anyone tried MSG in their juices yet? JUST KIDDING...

 

[Lyndagayle]

And a very special thanks to Pete for not keeping this discovery a secret! I would never in a million years have thought of using vinegar nor lemon juice in my ejuice!

 

[Bostonsnboxers]

omg!!! Has anyone tried msg in their juices yet? Just kidding...:d

lololol!!!!!!!

 

[Str8V8ping]

OMG!!! Has anyone tried MSG in their juices yet? JUST KIDDING...

I have in my pork fried rice ejuice .