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[imeothanasis]

What is the point of advertising (especially here) a dna copy? We now advertise thieves?

Blue, if you are suddenly not happy with me, you can simply not write on GG forum. I dont force anyone to stay with GG line. Of course it would be better to know the reasons behind this because I am in the dark here. You can send me a pm.

 

[AB Dada]

SX350 J don't need Nickel. 120 Watt and temperature limit seems not bad for me. China is fast....I think, complete temperature control is only a matter of time.

Mast from Plumes of Hazard works with YiHi in the States and he said you are wrong.

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_..._with_built_in_temperature_control_it/co4bivz

Good luck with that Nickel. Also read the entire thread -- it is NOT temperature control like VIR. It's temperature limiting like the DNA40. Boring.

Plus, $180? For Chinese sourced? No thanks. I'll pay a bit more for a Euro product with actual unique features.

I don't even have a GG mod, btw. Bought a used Tilemahos a few weeks ago, my first GG purchase. My girlfriend turned me on to Proteus last year because she's the big fan. I'm just wanting to be healthier and nickel is NOT for me.

 

[67style]

Well the most interesting question for me is (maybe imeo can give an answer tough he uses unflavored liquid) does the taste of liquid vary with different temperature?

 

[Aal_]

Beco: latest VIR video from 10/2014 shows dry Cotton test.

Was under the assumption that DNA40 shuts off Atty if temp exceeds limit. Not that you can keep vaping at a lower temp.

So you are saying DNA40 will lower wattage in one vape pull until wick pulls more juice and then it raises wattage, all in one press?

I don't like to advertise other products so excuse me imeo but also I don't like to see wrong information. Dna40 does not shut off the atty it lowers the wattage down to a level where the temp is lower than the limit, if it can go higher again it will. It will flash but will not shut off.

With that said, VIR is in a different category since it doesn't let you worry about the watts, you just vape at a temperature.

 

[imeothanasis]

I dont really care about dna aal. I only dont like seing posts advertising China and stolen stuff. I spend my whole life with headaches all day trying to find the best ways to vape just only to see posts like "China is close" or "look, thats better" (stolen as always)?

Thats a shame buddy. Inventions are a very hard thing and the person that invents deserves more respect

 

[imeothanasis]

Well the most interesting question for me is (maybe imeo can give an answer tough he uses unflavored liquid) does the taste of liquid vary with different temperature?

yes it varies 67

 

[AdamAnd]

I see a whole new world of e-juice that will come from VIR wouldn't be great to have custom juice made for your taste and temp lol I can not wait for VIR for Esterigon I think i tend to second guess myself at times when it comes to how it should be but have realized as long as it is safe my way is the best lol the tilemahos for gg4s with sealed pin is my next purchase then VIR bring it on. Thanks Imeo please stay positive and know that all the doubter's will be very happy when VIR is what its supposed to be. Adam

 

[AB Dada]

Well the most interesting question for me is (maybe imeo can give an answer tough he uses unflavored liquid) does the taste of liquid vary with different temperature?

Keep in mind that the boiling points of PG and VG are different. While I vape PG-free, if you like blends, you will definitely have to pick a different temperature for that e-liquid than an identical flavor with a different ratio.

For future reference, the boiling point of PG is 188.2 C, the boilng point of VG is 290 C.

 

[67style]

you are a lexicon AB

 

[AB Dada]

Lol, thanks.

I just don't want people to fall victim to marketing gimmicks by OEMs and resellers. That even includes GG and their resellers -- if I hear something that doesn't make scientific sense accurately, I'd even call @imeothanasis out on it!

I was a smoker for 20 years. US$7500 habit. Now I am in full control of what pleases me. The problem is, kanthal is scary stuff, and having no control over the temperature my vapor is produced at might be even scarier. Molecular compounds change under heat -- having control of the temperature and the heat generated is a step in the correct direction.

But just because a company uses a "temperature control" label, it might just be a marketing gimmick. I don't want gimmicks. I don't want less control or halfway control, I want full control of my vaping experience.

I think VIR version 1 is a big step in the right direction and I am very excited for it. I also have a ton of ideas for future VIR versions that I think will only enhance the vape experience (tailored to the end user), create options for safety, and give me more control over what I want to put in my body.

Even if you aren't a GG geek (GGG?) and your loyalty is to your wallet, buying a Proteus sooner rather than later will reward Imeo for his hard work and convince him to work hard on future technology. I hate patents, I refuse to use them myself, but I am thankful for Evolv's idiotic VW patent (really moronic, to be honest) because it pushed Imeo to throw out the old Proteus work he did for 2+ years and reimagine it as the first VIR mode device.

I know I will love VIR. I am sure there will be shortcomings and new processes to learn and some surprises, but I am committed to putting it through the paces and supporting a small vendor and engineer who really does seem to care about not just safety of the end user, but tailored control for the individual vape enthusiast.

And those things matter to me more than a fancy OLED display.

 

[imeothanasis]

thank you for one more time AB. I also thank you because you are an intelligent person. More people like you and the world would be way better. And I do believe that GG forum has a lot of intelligent persons

I have already said to all people that follow GG line, that if I say even one nonsense I would like them to tell me that I am an idiot.

One reason that I have a lot of enemies is that I always say things as they are. I just dont like to hear nonsenses or opinions without serious arguments

I wish you a great day buddy

 

[Goldengeek]

GGG oiiii aye ?

 

[imeothanasis]

ahahaha, GGG came to town!

 

[AB Dada]

Haha @goldengeek!

This is for you.

 

[imeothanasis]

Sx350j and dna40 also raise and lower wattage to come to a specific temp.
If not dry cotton would get burned on this devices.

I haven't seen VIR dry cotton test yet?

Beco sorry but I missed your post

Of course dry cotton will get burned. Cotton has a specific temperature where it gets on fire. We arent magicians here, we just follow physics rules.

I have seen on youtube some dry cotton experiments. They are totally useless experiments. These experiments shows what? That cotton will get burned on temperatures higher its firing point? Of course it will get burned! The thing here is that electronic has to know where it has to stop responding.

The thing with VIR is that it doesnt allow wick to get totally dry. VIR keeps temperature to a specific level but it also understands how much liquid exists on wick and if liquid gets too low VIR stops responding before wick gets burned.

 

[imeothanasis]

Also, dont think that with VIR your cotton will not get black after a while. But it will not get black because of temperature but because of liquid's residues

 

[imeothanasis]

In another note. VIR works fantastic with silica too. Most or many people use silica and they have to be sure that they will not have any problem with VIR. Maybe VIR works even better with silica because wick is tight to the coil.

I will tell you some tricks about VIR and temp devices in general because after 3 years of working with VIR I know everything about temp control devices.

1. The legs of the wire (the distance from coil to posts) have to be as small as possible
2. The number of threads have to be more than 7 (because that way the legs of the wire vs its total length become even smaller)
3. Threads must not touch each other (a simple coil works great)
4. Wire has to be as tight as it can be around wick and in all of its threads
5. The fatter the wire, the better. Not only because it doesnt move while we put wick through it but because burned taste doesnt exist even with less threads of the coil. But dont use very fat coil because you spend battery energy without a reason. My experiments show me that a Ti wire at 30-35mm is ideal.


On Tilemahos, things are even easier because Tilemahos has the ability to move its posts. So if you want a fat and small coil, you put posts towards. And if you want a long and thin coil, you move posts near the slots where wick gets saturated.



ps..........We dont care if threads are close each other or there is big distance between them

 

[AB Dada]

I am guilty of having long legs on my coils. I will definitely have to practice this while Proteus is in production!

The Tilemahos might look weird on the Proteus, but it's my only GG atty. I'll wait until Penelope V3mini is released to buy a new one.

 

[imeothanasis]

sure AB. Penelope mini will be ready together with Tilemahos V2 in about 10 days

ps..... about length of the legs. Just make a fatter coil. That has one more benefit. You will put more wick inside coil so more saturation there. My usual coils are made around a 3mm axis

 

[bluegenzel]

What is the point of advertising (especially here) a DNA copy? We now advertise thieves?

Blue, if you are suddenly not happy with me, you can simply not write on GG forum. I dont force anyone to stay with GG line. Of course it would be better to know the reasons behind this because I am in the dark here. You can send me a pm.

See no copy in SX350J, as SX350 was not. It's a Chinese developement of their own and it will be better then DNA40, as SX350 was more powerful than DNA30. I don't see, where there are thieves. Followed GG for years, but now I'm out. Devices for beginners with low wattage and without open draw like Proteus and New Pene are completely uninteresting for me. But You have your true followers, who are absolutely happy with all what You say and make. Good for You, I have my opinion, but nowadays I'm here in the wrong section. I will follow your advice and stop posting. Will keep my GG devices, but not for daily vape. Good luck ,