Visited another local B&M today...

[Pedrobear]

So, visited another local B&M today, as my wife and I like to do for fun, and it strikes me again.... All these guys in there talking about blowing huge clouds, the -100 ohm they are using, and I just don't understand this. What am I missing in the sub ohm world?

I ask because the shop was packed with people on mech mods and such, hell Id go out on a limb and say my wife and I were the only VV mod people in the house. Never once did I hear the people working there talking about battery safety as I look at their knock off battery's in the case and triple priced clones. I whipped out the rDNA+Veritas for a puff with a 1.4ish coil and s*** on all these "cloud chasers" while doing it very safely, just for fun. (relatively speaking). I just dont get the super low ohm coil builds. What advantage do pros get from this? How does a .5 build produce a better vape/cloud then a 1.5?

I know Im new to vaping in general, but I have spun 100+ ft. of wire into every kind of coil I could get to fit on my RDAs from all ohm ranges. (Well, .4-1.6) all types of wicks minus SS wire, and the lower I go, the faster my wicks burn/char/turn colors (needing a re-wick), even saturated, the more I have to drip, and generally the quality of life goes down. Hell this morning I built some weird ribbon coil wrapped in a micro coil for fun @.53, and it set itself on fire (lol) Maybe Im not doing something right, or is it just a case of "different strokes for different folks"?

 

[DaveP]

Once you get above ten watts you have to have large wicking and larger diameter coils coupled with drilled out large air holes to supply more air and cool the vape. It's all about balancing the hardware with the wattage.

The most I've ever vaped is 23.5 watts on a DNA30 mod and the vape was cool and tasty. I did that in the local vape shop on the owners DNA30. She was using a Nautilus Mini with the air holes drilled out. You could breathe through the air flow and the cloud was enormous. I was surprised that it was nice and flavorful without any acrid bite or off taste. That was using the standard drip tip that I transferred from my Kayfun. I can imagine how much vapor you could produce from a large hole drip tip.

 

[nynvolt]

In order to increase wattage on a non regulated device, you go lower ohms. Not everyone wants a vv/vw mod. I don't know why anyone would run a dual coil on a variable wattage device but people do. Enjoy vaping your way. Others will enjoy it theirs.

On a side note, who sits around discussing battery safety? If you're dumb enough to run craptastic batteries on a .0X build, it's just nature finding balance.

 

[Pedrobear]

In order to increase wattage on a non regulated device, you go lower ohms. Not everyone wants a vv/vw mod. I don't know why anyone would run a dual coil on a variable wattage device but people do. Enjoy vaping your way. Others will enjoy it theirs.

On a side note, who sits around discussing battery safety? If you're dumb enough to run craptastic batteries on a .0X build, it's just nature finding balance.

You're right. Thats my ignorance. Completely didn't make the connection on the fundamental ohms law.

 

[catlady60]

Once you get above ten watts you have to have large wicking and larger diameter coils coupled with drilled out large air holes to supply more air and cool the vape. It's all about balancing the hardware with the wattage.

The most I've ever vaped is 23.5 watts on a DNA30 mod and the vape was cool and tasty. I did that in the local vape shop on the owners DNA30. She was using a Nautilus Mini with the air holes drilled out. You could breathe through the air flow and the cloud was enormous. I was surprised that it was nice and flavorful without any acrid bite or off taste. That was using the standard drip tip that I transferred from my Kayfun. I can imagine how much vapor you could produce from a large hole drip tip.

The most I vape at was 13 watts, and that was by accident. I simply forgot to reset the wattage to my preferred level, namely 7.0 to 8.0 watts (depending on the juice), after I cleaned and dry burned my coils for a flavor change. Just to let you know, the burnt taste at high wattage is not for me.

 

[eratikmind]

I enjoy using my ProVari Minis and my VS rDNA with their 1x coils builds. Gotta love a 1.5 ohm/1x coil built Magma or Veritas on the VS at some 18 to 23 watts.

At the same time, I enjoy vaping with my mechs, as well. My favorite for flavor is a 0.8 ohm/2x coil built Magma.

For fun, I may reach for a 0.5 ohm/2x coil built Omega, 454 BB, or Plume Veil just to blow clouds for 10 minutes or so.

Vaping is enjoyed by countless numbers of people. As such, everyone has his/her own method or style of vaping.

 

[Ironmaidon1]

i wondered the same thing for the last 2 months since i started vaping. The wife and i had a TOBH and a Patriot clone with a nemesis clone. the only thing we used it for was tasting diy juices with a micro coil at 1.4 ohms. BUT 2 days ago we got an Origin mod and a Plume Veil clone in this months Vapebox. i decided to give it a real shot. built a .26 dual coil build in the plume with 24 awg kanthal, crammed a ton of rayon in it and was absolutely BLOWN away by the flavor and cloud production on a fresh vtc5. once i figured out the airflow i like and timing it all fell into place. im going to give vaping on my mech a shot all day today. but so far im really liking it. but i gotta keep the doors open to keep my living room from looking like the golden gate bridge on a foggy day.

 

[Rossum]

It's an insidious plot to sell more juice. Think about it, what does a vape shop actually make good margins on? The juice! All those clouds? Juice that went up in "smoke". Want flavor? Try a small-chambered atty like a Cyclone. You'll get intense flavor without having to blow through an absurd amount of juice and without affecting visibility in the room.

 

[Baditude]

I'm guilty of the above accusations and commentary.

For nearly two years I had been totally satisfied using cartotanks on a Provari. Great flavor and vapor. Who needs to vape at high wattage? Not me.

I dabbled into the rebuildable thing with an AGA-T2 Genesis-style RBA a year ago. I wanted to experience the hype for myself, and be prepared for a worse case scenario should the FDA slap a ban on e-cig products.

It was extremely fussy, leaked if not kept upright, and difficult to set up properly. In hindsight, this was not the ideal first RBA to learn on. I gave up on it after two months and went back to my dependable, trusty cartotanks.

A few months ago, a friend gifted me a Kayfun Lite+ rebuildable tank atomizer. OMG. This was a cartotank on steroids. This was the experience that I had hoped for with the Genny. Like any new delivery device, it had a learning curve (including some leaking from the air hole diagnosed as a bad 0-ring), but it turned out to be no more difficult to setup than a cartotank. Excellent flavor, good vapor, no position dependency.

I had always been somewhat critical of those using sub-ohm coils on rebuildables. I had no personal interest in going sub-ohm. I had no interest in making clouds, my focus was on flavor. I was not a fan of mechanical mods because of their lack of protection circuitry. I had had a battery blow up in my first mechanical years ago, and made the switch to the safer regulated mods and never looked back.

Visiting my local vape shop, I was able to sample my friends' RDA's with sub-ohm coils. With the right build and setup, the flavor was remarkable, the vapor cool and not hot, with a very satisfying vapor production. I decided to dust off my old Silver Bullet and buy a RDA.

Yes, I am building sub-ohm coils. I currently use a 0.6 ohm dual microcoil build on a RDA. Top notch vapor production which I've grown very fond of, excellent unadulterated flavor, and no leaking. I am well within the limits of my batteries with some safe headroom to spare just in case there is a battery failure. It is an inconvenience to use when out-and-about, so I bring my KFL when I leave my home.

I still use my Provari with the KFL+ (1.4 ohm) and sometimes still use a cartotank. They all offer something different and all are a very satisfying vaping experience.

I'm still not a cloud chaser, and still see the activity as rather ridiculous, especially if builds are above spec for the continuous discharge rating of the battery (less than 0.2 ohms for a 30 amp battery). When I ask what build someone has and they say less than 0.2 ohms, I just shake my head and think to myself that they are pushing their battery over spec. If they choose to believe in the mythical "pulse discharge rating", that's all on them.

 

[Smann245]

For some it's not just a means to get nicotine without smoking, it's a hobby. When you can build a setup that produces huge flavor and huge clouds without burning or blowing something up it kinda shows off your knowledge, experience and build skills. I don't do it, but I understand the attraction. A hobby that requires some mental and manual skill and produces something that provides physical enjoyment and mental satisfaction without harming others is plenty ok with me.

 

[Bassnorma]

I'm guilty of the above accusations and commentary.

For nearly two years I had been totally satisfied using cartotanks on a Provari. Great flavor and vapor. Who needs to vape at high wattage? Not me.

I dabbled into the rebuildable thing with an AGA-T2 Genesis-style RBA a year ago. I wanted to experience the hype for myself, and be prepared for a worse case scenario should the FDA slap a ban on e-cig products.

It was extremely fussy, leaked if not kept upright, and difficult to set up properly. In hindsight, this was not the ideal first RBA to learn on. I gave up on it after two months and went back to my dependable, trusty cartotanks.

A few months ago, a friend gifted me a Kayfun Lite+ rebuildable tank atomizer. OMG. This was a cartotank on steroids. This was the experience that I had hoped for with the Genny. Like any new delivery device, it had a learning curve (including some leaking from the air hole diagnosed as a bad 0-ring), but it turned out to be no more difficult to setup than a cartotank. Excellent flavor, good vapor, no position dependency.

I had always been somewhat critical of those using sub-ohm coils on rebuildables. I had no personal interest in going sub-ohm. I had no interest in making clouds, my focus was on flavor. I was not a fan of mechanical mods because of their lack of protection circuitry. I had had a battery blow up in my first mechanical years ago, and made the switch to the safer regulated mods and never looked back.

Visiting my local vape shop, I was able to sample my friends' RDA's with sub-ohm coils. With the right build and setup, the flavor was remarkable, the vapor cool and not hot, with a very satisfying vapor production. I decided to dust off my old Silver Bullet and buy a RDA.

Yes, I am building sub-ohm coils. I currently use a 0.6 ohm dual microcoil build on a RDA. Top notch vapor production which I've grown very fond of, excellent unadulterated flavor, and no leaking. I am well within the limits of my batteries with some safe headroom to spare just in case there is a battery failure. It is an inconvenience to use when out-and-about, so I bring my KFL when I leave my home.

I still use my Provari with the KFL+ (1.4 ohm) and sometimes still use a cartotank. They all offer something different and all are a very satisfying vaping experience.

I'm still not a cloud chaser, and still see the activity as rather ridiculous, especially if builds are above spec for the continuous discharge rating of the battery (less than 0.2 ohms for a 30 amp battery). When I ask what build someone has and they say less than 0.2 ohms, I just shake my head and think to myself that they are pushing their battery over spec. If they choose to believe in the mythical "pulse discharge rating", that's all on them.

Aha!!! See now, I am interested in your progression and have been toying with the idea myself. What is extra cool about this is that I know you will start blogging about it. I look forward to seeing the helpful hints and advice that we have come to know from you.

Are Kayfuns hard to find? I consulted the googles last night looking for them and it looks like there are a few versions?

 

[Bassnorma]

Aha!!! See now, I am interested in your progression and have been toying with the idea myself. What is extra cool about this is that I know you will start blogging about it. I look forward to seeing the helpful hints and advice that we have come to know from you.

Are Kayfuns hard to find? I consulted the googles last night looking for them and it looks like there are a few versions?

As I suspected! ... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-15-inexpensive-mechanical-mod-rda-setup.html

 

[DaveP]

The most I vape at was 13 watts, and that was by accident. I simply forgot to reset the wattage to my preferred level, namely 7.0 to 8.0 watts (depending on the juice), after I cleaned and dry burned my coils for a flavor change. Just to let you know, the burnt taste at high wattage is not for me.

I'm not a high wattage vaper, either. I'm at 9 or 10 watts max on a 1.8 ohm coil. It's the sweet spot for my Kayfun 3.1.

 

[coalyard]

It's an insidious plot to sell more juice. Think about it, what does a vape shop actually make good margins on? The juice! All those clouds? Juice that went up in "smoke". Want flavor? Try a small-chambered atty like a Cyclone. You'll get intense flavor without having to blow through an absurd amount of juice and without affecting visibility in the room.

Or roll your own juice. I have a couple of my dual coil RDA's built to .5 ohm, and I vape those between 20-30 watts depending. Yes, they blow through juice, but at what it costs me to make it, it's all good.

If I'm out, I usually have either my Kayfun built at 1.4 ohm, or a Nautilus.