vivi nova SS mesh wick

[AttyPops]

Yeah, I understand the "double lead wire"....2 wires = 1/2 the resistance...or thereabouts depending on contact. It's a good idea.

I have 32 kanthal. Wish I had gotten 34 or 36 but 32 will do for now. Good practice

Speaking of double-wire....I've been thinking about a different wrapping method.

Fold the wire in 1/2 so it is doubled. Allow enough length to get to the center post down the stem with the bottom of the loop (the fold) pointing down to the center of the stem. Start in THE MIDDLE of the wick and unwrap each wire coiling it as you go out toward the edges. This puts 1 center wire (doubled/twisted when done) to the center positive post, the coils spread out left and right of center and the ground connections (two wires) on the outside. Since the metal (other than the center post pin) is all ground on the VN, it avoids shorts of the coil. You'd end up with 1 center wire doubled to positive, and two wires to ground on the outside of the grommet (I'm not sure twisting those together is a good idea...too easy to touch the center wire).

This is similar to a dual-coil setup...if one side breaks you'd still have the "other" side. However at twice the resistance. It would take a lot of wraps though so I haven't done it. If I had 36 ga I'd try it.

The main idea wasn't to get dual coil...it was to avoid shorts to ground of the positive side...but it ends up dual coil that way.

 

[s§sZAN]

I've got 32 ga and it takes too many wraps to get the resistance high enough for my linear reg vv box. I'd like 2.5 to 3.0 ohms after all is said and done. So...yeah, higher than 32 would be my guess (thinner wire...like 34 or 36 ga). However, it depends on your target ohms. Haven't tried it though.

The thing with the VN is that there's only so much room to wrap the wire to fit in the "head". If you're adding non-resistance wire then it's even worse to get the ohms high enough.

P.S.
Using 400 SS mesh right now.

Try this. Double up the wire below the coil and see if that helps.

 

[s§sZAN]

Yeah, I understand the "double lead wire"....2 wires = 1/2 the resistance...or thereabouts depending on contact. It's a good idea.

I have 32 kanthal. Wish I had gotten 34 or 36 but 32 will do for now. Good practice

Speaking of double-wire....I've been thinking about a different wrapping method.

Fold the wire in 1/2 so it is doubled. Allow enough length to get to the center post down the stem with the bottom of the loop (the fold) pointing down to the center of the stem. Start in THE MIDDLE of the wick and unwrap each wire coiling it as you go out toward the edges. This puts 1 center wire (doubled/twisted when done) to the center positive post, the coils spread out left and right of center and the ground connections (two wires) on the outside. Since the metal (other than the center post pin) is all ground on the VN, it avoids shorts of the coil. You'd end up with 1 center wire doubled to positive, and two wires to ground on the outside of the grommet (I'm not sure twisting those together is a good idea...too easy to touch the center wire).

This is similar to a dual-coil setup...if one side breaks you'd still have the "other" side. However at twice the resistance. It would take a lot of wraps though so I haven't done it. If I had 36 ga I'd try it.

The main idea wasn't to get dual coil...it was to avoid shorts to ground of the positive side...but it ends up dual coil that way.

Okay...Now u got me excited. I like the way u r thinking outside the box. With the extra wire, it should bring the ohms up too. I can't wait to try it, in fact I have a brand new coil head just waiting to be rebuilt!

 

[s§sZAN]

Yeah, I understand the "double lead wire"....2 wires = 1/2 the resistance...or thereabouts depending on contact. It's a good idea.

I have 32 kanthal. Wish I had gotten 34 or 36 but 32 will do for now. Good practice

Speaking of double-wire....I've been thinking about a different wrapping method.

Fold the wire in 1/2 so it is doubled. Allow enough length to get to the center post down the stem with the bottom of the loop (the fold) pointing down to the center of the stem. Start in THE MIDDLE of the wick and unwrap each wire coiling it as you go out toward the edges. This puts 1 center wire (doubled/twisted when done) to the center positive post, the coils spread out left and right of center and the ground connections (two wires) on the outside. Since the metal (other than the center post pin) is all ground on the VN, it avoids shorts of the coil. You'd end up with 1 center wire doubled to positive, and two wires to ground on the outside of the grommet (I'm not sure twisting those together is a good idea...too easy to touch the center wire).

This is similar to a dual-coil setup...if one side breaks you'd still have the "other" side. However at twice the resistance. It would take a lot of wraps though so I haven't done it. If I had 36 ga I'd try it.

The main idea wasn't to get dual coil...it was to avoid shorts to ground of the positive side...but it ends up dual coil that way.

Okay, I am going to up u one, have a look...

 

[s§sZAN]

Yeah, I understand the "double lead wire"....2 wires = 1/2 the resistance...or thereabouts depending on contact. It's a good idea.

I have 32 kanthal. Wish I had gotten 34 or 36 but 32 will do for now. Good practice

Speaking of double-wire....I've been thinking about a different wrapping method.





Fold the wire in 1/2 so it is doubled. Allow enough length to get to the center post down the stem with the bottom of the loop (the fold) pointing down to the center of the stem. Start in THE MIDDLE of the wick and unwrap each wire coiling it as you go out toward the edges. This puts 1 center wire (doubled/twisted when done) to the center positive post, the coils spread out left and right of center and the ground connections (two wires) on the outside. Since the metal (other than the center post pin) is all ground on the VN, it avoids shorts of the coil. You'd end up with 1 center wire doubled to positive, and two wires to ground on the outside of the grommet (I'm not sure twisting those together is a good idea...too easy to touch the center wire).

This is similar to a dual-coil setup...if one side breaks you'd still have the "other" side. However at twice the resistance. It would take a lot of wraps though so I haven't done it. If I had 36 ga I'd try it.

The main idea wasn't to get dual coil...it was to avoid shorts to ground of the positive side...but it ends up dual coil that way.

Here it is... I will hammer the twisted wires flat and even out the coils.

 

[AttyPops]

Looks good. That's what I described (except I didn't double the neg/ground wire).

The ohms may not be what you are thinking though. Double wire = less ohms

How does it meter out?

 

[s§sZAN]

Looks good. That's what I described (except I didn't double the neg/ground wire).

The ohms may not be what you are thinking though. Double wire = less ohms

How does it meter out?

I only used the Provari and I keep getting an E1 error, could be the ohms are too low or just a short. Next time I will check it with a meter.
I will try again later, too frustrated right now. I want to open up the slot for a bigger coil to fit. I think that is where the short it, just too tight.

 

[vinnyvango]

I use 400 with 32 ga. kanthal. Cut on the bias helps. 1"x2" is about the right size. I roll the wick without a center hole (no paperclip). Another tip I've had good luck with this the rolling paper trick. I think Scubabatdan has a video of it. But, the gist is wrap a small piece of rolling paper around the wick and wrap the kanthal over it. Then dry fire to burn off the paper. Blow off the ash and fill. It does seem to take a little longer to break in the wick but I have very few issues with shorts. I can usually get about a 2 ohm coil with 5-6 wraps. Lately I've been reusing the same wick. Just torch it again and re-wrap. The same wick has been going for about 3 weeks now in 100% VG. YMMV.

 

[AttyPops]

I only used the Provari and I keep getting an E1 error, could be the ohms are too low or just a short. Next time I will check it with a meter.
I will try again later, too frustrated right now. I want to open up the slot for a bigger coil to fit. I think that is where the short it, just too tight.

The whole outside is a ground anyway. Don't bother opening up the slot unless it is choking the wick. Technically you could ground those outside wires right on the slot. Wouldn't matter theoretically (but it might in reality differ due to poor contact/finished metal etc.)

With all that doubling, and a dual coil, it would take a lot of wraps to get the ohms high enough. That's why I mentioned 36 ga in my original post......

The way to tell is to take the coil off and put the positive multimeter lead on the center wire and the negative lead on BOTH the negative wires and measure the ohms.

 

[AttyPops]

@s§sZAN Basically, the problem with that method (the one I proposed ) is ohms.

The dual coil cuts the ohms in 1/2 to begin with because there's two parallel paths for the electricity. Add to that the fact that each coil is only 1/2 the length of a "single" one and you get 1/4 the ohms.....

Try not doubling the ground leads. It will add some resistance to each side. Other than that... more coil wraps per side and/or thinner wire.

This is why I haven't tried it yet. Would need 36 ga, I'm guessing.

You may just want to put it in the back of your mind if it's frustrating and wait for a time with thinner wire....
Don't want you beating your head against a wall.

Remember the original goal of this was to reduce shorts of the positive to the casing ground. I've found that to be too common . Moving the wick over on my single coil winds giving the + side more room often helped. But maybe it's me and how I wound it to begin with. Or I have a "short prone" wick. IDK.

 

[steved5600]

I only used the Provari and I keep getting an E1 error, could be the ohms are too low or just a short. Next time I will check it with a meter.
I will try again later, too frustrated right now. I want to open up the slot for a bigger coil to fit. I think that is where the short it, just too tight.

Yea you need to watch the E1's. I got those on my 1'st Provari and would dial down a bit but at that time I liked the TH i got so I ignored them and later E8's started popping up and it died. Was replaced no charge but still.

 

[s§sZAN]

@s§sZAN Basically, the problem with that method (the one I proposed ) is ohms.

The dual coil cuts the ohms in 1/2 to begin with because there's two parallel paths for the electricity. Add to that the fact that each coil is only 1/2 the length of a "single" one and you get 1/4 the ohms.....

Try not doubling the ground leads. It will add some resistance to each side. Other than that... more coil wraps per side and/or thinner wire.

This is why I haven't tried it yet. Would need 36 ga, I'm guessing.

You may just want to put it in the back of your mind if it's frustrating and wait for a time with thinner wire....
Don't want you beating your head against a wall.

Remember the original goal of this was to reduce shorts of the positive to the casing ground. I've found that to be too common . Moving the wick over on my single coil winds giving the + side more room often helped. But maybe it's me and how I wound it to begin with. Or I have a "short prone" wick. IDK.

Yes I am sure you are right, the ohms are too low and the Provari wont work. My main problem is the 30awg, I have 33,34 and some 32 NR on order, should be here this week.
My supplier only has "D" and Nichrome in the thinner wires, I use A1 mostly but I think I am going to try the others, I really don't know what the difference is.
He has up to 46awg in stock, so I think I will play around with like, 38 and 40 and see what happens. I have the NR coming and I think I may try some 40 with NR leads. what the hell?

 

[s§sZAN]

Yea you need to watch the E1's. I got those on my 1'st Provari and would dial down a bit but at that time I liked the TH i got so I ignored them and later E8's started popping up and it died. Was replaced no charge but still.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll try and be careful.

 

[AttyPops]

Yeah, multi-meter it 1st. I'd hate to have someone's PV messed up like that..........

 

[s§sZAN]

Due to the overwhelming response to making wicks and the fact that I am trying to run a business. I regretfully must stop doing so. If you have any questions regarding making ss wicks, please feel free to pm me.
Thanks and happy vaping.

 

[hate101]

i use mesh wrapped around a cotton ball, it is the best wick setup i've found that balances flavor/wicking well, and if you cut a small V in the silicon cap you can easily fit the new, thicker wick in place with no problem, and the spongy cotton keeps the juice from leaking.

That is amazing, I will have to try this out asap.

 

[Thompson]

I use 400 with 32 ga. kanthal. Cut on the bias helps. 1"x2" is about the right size. I roll the wick without a center hole (no paperclip). Another tip I've had good luck with this the rolling paper trick. I think Scubabatdan has a video of it. But, the gist is wrap a small piece of rolling paper around the wick and wrap the kanthal over it. Then dry fire to burn off the paper. Blow off the ash and fill. It does seem to take a little longer to break in the wick but I have very few issues with shorts. I can usually get about a 2 ohm coil with 5-6 wraps. Lately I've been reusing the same wick. Just torch it again and re-wrap. The same wick has been going for about 3 weeks now in 100% VG. YMMV.

i think they generally recommend rolling paper for this, as its intended to be smoked and allows choices of different materials. Using something like printer paper could be bad as they treat it to produce that sheen white.