Vortex Q & A

[zer0ith]

First off I think I "may" (I use this term very loosely) be having a couple of issues with the Vortex and would like to ask some questions.

So I got them recently and filled 1 up right away, let it sit for 5 minutes and started to use it. Great vapour and taste. Then the taste started to disappear but there was still tons of vapour production, and it wasn't a dry taste either.
I have tried about 5 different juices (100% PG, 50/50 mix, 100% VG) (2 different suppliers).

The thing that I find quite odd is that if I use any of these juices in any of the Fluxomizer's on almost every vape I get tons of vapour and flavour.

Thoughts?

 

[Amy41996]

blank here, i havnt had that prob so far. sometimes get funky taste, but thats all. but i vape heavily

 

[badkolo]

First off I think I "may" (I use this term very loosely) be having a couple of issues with the Vortex and would like to ask some questions.

So I got them recently and filled 1 up right away, let it sit for 5 minutes and started to use it. Great vapour and taste. Then the taste started to disappear but there was still tons of vapour production, and it wasn't a dry taste either.
I have tried about 5 different juices (100% PG, 50/50 mix, 100% VG) (2 different suppliers).

The thing that I find quite odd is that if I use any of these juices in any of the Fluxomizer's on almost every vape I get tons of vapour and flavour.

Thoughts?

Ok first, thank you for trying to them and giving us feedback. What voltage are you using them at, try to keep it below 4 volts.

Im trying to determine if the alf, the paper filter, is causing some to wick better then others depending how tight its placed on or if its to high up, meaning way to much of it and that is something thats unforeseen but fixable as the newer version will not have the alf and should be leak free if everything goes well after testing.

what you can do for testing purposes is remove the tube , while screwed on to your device, hold onto the vortex towards the bottom and gently rock it back and fourth and pull of the tube gently, remove the ineer cup and remove the alf and clean that off, now replace the cup back making sure to align the slits in the cup with the wicks and then replace the tube, fill and vape.

that might be the trick that solves your taste issue.

 

[zer0ith]

I believe the voltage I am using them on should be 3.7v I am using them on KR808D-1 Mega Battery (380 mAh). So I don't think voltage should be an issue.

So out of the 3 I've used so far 1 of them leaked right out from the battery right out of the box.
1 has been working great (its starting to loose its flavour a bit right now).
The other one was a bit of a shocker for me.

So with badkolo's recommendation I decided to disassemble it.
I started by removing the center tube. When I started to wiggle it and pull I heard a crack and thought the worst (turns out that was just breaking the seal).
When I was removing the tube I noticed on the wick a large ball of something black.
So I fully removed it and removed the ALF and outer tube.
On the wick was actually a large build up of chard juice (or at least I am assuming).
I carefully chiseled it off and ran everything under hot water and dry burned until it was glowing red.
Put everything back together (when pressing down the center tube make sure it is ALL the way down otherwise the juice can freely flow out from the battery end).
Put some juice in and started using it and it has been working PERFECTLY. NO LEAKS EITHER! It has been sitting on my desk for about 15 minutes and not a drop! I didn't use anything to seal it either.

Here are some pictures of it.

 

[hairball]

I had one that was horribly leaky. I decided to turn it into a dripper to test out flavors. No leaking and this thing is awesome. Just take it apart, take the inner air tube out and discard. Now eyeball the size tube for dripping that you want, I used 1 inch. Cut tube. Put tube back onto base and add a drip tip. I can drip about 5 drops or so without it leaking out the airhole to the battery. Flavors are excellent.

 

[zer0ith]

So here's another odd thing I have experienced.

The one that I took apart and put back together started to leak today.
Last night I was at home and was using the provided mouth piece (white one) and there was no leaking at all.
Today about an hour before leaving for work I switched it to the black one (that comes with the fluxomizer's) (as it doesn't get knocked off while in my pocket quite so easily) and all over the desk through the battery end.
Put the white one back on and after blowing out the remaining juice no leaks again.

So I guess those white mouth pieces really are required with the ALF removed.

 

[badkolo]

there is something going on with pressure,, heat , expnasion etc.. Taking all these into account , as mentioned in other threads, I think we got this issue solved, a beta is being sent out to test.

The chinese are great at inventing things, if im correct they are the ones that made the cigs and attys and cartos in the first place(some might say it was someone else many years ago and they might be correct ).

so they know how to make them, perfecting them is another thing, i swear sometimes its the simplest of things that they simply dont think of, more fixes have come for some products in the last 7 months from ecf and other forums then the factories themselves, clear tube, fat wick, alf, wider tubes etc... looser coil etc.....

I have had a few of us tackle the vortex, do all sorts of things to it, and we have made a beast, the issue is making it feasible for the factory to do, then i tinkered away, so have others and we made it better but then another breakthrough happened, ( also a part tip form a ecf member) and combines the 2 together and then tested that, it has been flawless since.
the factory is attempting to do this as well.

 

[zer0ith]

Great news to hear!

I was a little behind (about 30 pages lol!) so I hadn't got to all the other information. Trying to catch up on it while working. At first I though my issue was a little different then what was going on there (still not sure why I got that huge build up on the wick) but with that fixed, ran into another minor issue but that seems to be corrected.

But then again with any product in its infancy (even with all your testing) there are always bound to be a couple of things that come up. At least you are standing behind your product and working to get all these issues resolved.

Love that commitment from a company!

 

[badkolo]

the build up on the wick is not the vortex, thats a juice build up caused by the juice, every coil system will get juice build up which you either clean or if its a disposable you toss it out(or clean that too). depending on the juice you can get little to alot of build up.

what might be happening though is the build up mixed with condensation causing it to expand, im not to sure if thats the casue but it could be, but just like the ce2, certain juices gunk up slowly while others turn into a football on the coil real fast

 

[zer0ith]

Its weird though, because I have the ce2's (for about a week or so longer then the vortex) and have gone through about 20+ fills with them (the same juices I used in the vortex) and none of them had that build up.
They haven't been cleaned, done a little dry burn when they were empty, and I did have to change the tube on 1 of them as it cracked. But no build up at all.

Another reason for loving this forum, its a great learning tool.

 

[badkolo]

ok thats very wierd and cool i guess, then the only other thing i can think of is the vortex is getting more juice to the coil then the ce2 and any given moment becuase of the bottom coil design, this will be something ill look into for sure

 

[Repent]

First off I think I "may" (I use this term very loosely) be having a couple of issues with the Vortex and would like to ask some questions.

So I got them recently and filled 1 up right away, let it sit for 5 minutes and started to use it. Great vapour and taste. Then the taste started to disappear but there was still tons of vapour production, and it wasn't a dry taste either.
I have tried about 5 different juices (100% PG, 50/50 mix, 100% VG) (2 different suppliers).

The thing that I find quite odd is that if I use any of these juices in any of the Fluxomizer's on almost every vape I get tons of vapour and flavour.

Thoughts?

I had the EXACT problem you are describing. I posted about it in another thread somewhere but I'll just repeat it here. I did two things I hadn't done before. Firstly, I took the tube off and gently raised the cup surrounding the coil and raised it ever so slightly. I also made sure that the wick was in the center of the vertical slit crafted into the cup (it was not initially). I used a powerful jewelers loop, the type you mount on the frame of a pair of glasses and looked over the Vortex very carefully as I disassembled it. As I went along, I reasoned out why it was constructed in the way that it was. I then took a flat washer from a CE2 and placed that over the center post and installed a drip tip.

After these mods, I gave it a vape and there was my missing flavor! Now as far as leaking, the three that I've taken apart and modded haven't leaked. The fourth one leaked on me right away, unmodded.

 

[OldDragon]

Do you know when the revised vortex's will come in? Will they be listed a a revised item? And are any plans made to make a XL version?

 

[badkolo]

they will carry the same name just be updated, they need to go through testing first, 2 to 3 weeks away.

there might be a xl version and that is on the list as well.

 

[SMKNOMOR]

Ok first, thank you for trying to them and giving us feedback. What voltage are you using them at, try to keep it below 4 volts.

Im trying to determine if the alf, the paper filter, is causing some to wick better then others depending how tight its placed on or if its to high up, meaning way to much of it and that is something thats unforeseen but fixable as the newer version will not have the alf and should be leak free if everything goes well after testing.

what you can do for testing purposes is remove the tube , while screwed on to your device, hold onto the vortex towards the bottom and gently rock it back and fourth and pull of the tube gently, remove the ineer cup and remove the alf and clean that off, now replace the cup back making sure to align the slits in the cup with the wicks and then replace the tube, fill and vape.

that might be the trick that solves your taste issue.

Hey Chris I pulled two of them that I had trouble getting to wick properly apart and one unused one and found the wick ends on one or both sides were hardend from glue. I think that may be a contributing factor. Hope it helps if you havent noticed yourself already.

I did find some to work well with some pg juices. No leaking oddly enough. I've vaped 6 and dissected two. 4 of the six are still in commission.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

they will carry the same name just be updated, they need to go through testing first, 2 to 3 weeks away.

there might be a xl version and that is on the list as well.

Hi Chris - do you care to share any details of updates and/or enhancements to the Vortex cartomizers?

 

[MJBinNM]

I've been on the fence about these. I haven't ordered any yet and will probably wait till the next version come out.

That said...I have been following the threads on these and from what I gather, the leaking thru the battery tube seems to occur mainly when the supplied tip is not used (with the exception of using something else to seal it; i.e. the CE2 ring). There is a very simple reason for this; there needs to be a good seal between the outer and inner tubes or you will have a leak (It's an air pressure thing). It's the same thing that holds water in a straw when you hold your finger over the end.

Of course this is not from actually having one in my possession but it just makes sense. This is why it will probably leak with a drip tip, it's not making a seal to the inner tube allowing air to enter the carto causing it to leak thru the battery hole. Some drip tips may fit tighter to the inner tube keeping it from leaking as bad...

Just my .02...

 

[VirusZ]

Hi,
I have an idea/request for a fix, when i disassembled the Vortex the coil is not soldered its just 2 weirs going around silicon O-ring and if you move it or wash it with strong water pressure the coil will detach itself..
Can you ask them to solder the coil wires? Like in Cleromizers

 

[SMKNOMOR]

I've been on the fence about these. I haven't ordered any yet and will probably wait till the next version come out.

That said...I have been following the threads on these and from what I gather, the leaking thru the battery tube seems to occur mainly when the supplied tip is not used (with the exception of using something else to seal it; i.e. the CE2 ring). There is a very simple reason for this; there needs to be a good seal between the outer and inner tubes or you will have a leak (It's an air pressure thing). It's the same thing that holds water in a straw when you hold your finger over the end.

Of course this is not from actually having one in my possession but it just makes sense. This is why it will probably leak with a drip tip, it's not making a seal to the inner tube allowing air to enter the carto causing it to leak thru the battery hole. Some drip tips may fit tighter to the inner tube keeping it from leaking as bad...

Just my .02...

I was thinking the same thing about the ring. But I would still give the vortex's a shot. One thing I always say as far as this industry goes is never go on others opinion.Mine didn't leak and others have raved.

 

[TomCatt]

Hey Bad,
What's the ohms on the updated Vortex, still 2.7?