Vote (allows for short comment) Should electronic cigarettes be allowed on airplanes? MSNBC
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Website seems to be having problems with the comment section, not even sure it counted my vote. :/
Over 18,000 votes and so far....only 35% in favor of a ban. Either vapers are banging on that poll heavy, or people aren't quite ready to fly the swastika just yet. Also could be a backlash from the recent porno scanner and groping mess, though. I'm surprised by the numbers, so far, in any case.
I am, too. I find this very heartening. This is a subject where even people here on ECF were somewhat divided saying they could see the reasoning. What does this say for getting the public behind us in other venues? Very positive and heartening to me.
Found this in one of the comments: Althouse: Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says the airline smoking ban already covers electronic cigarettes which do not smoke or burn in any way....excellent comments on this one, too
I really don't find the numbers that surprising, but when I was vaping daily I was vaping everywhere and talking about it to everyone. I never ran into a negative reaction from anyone and I had some fervent anti-smokers that actually liked the scent of vaping. But let's look a bit deeper into this "movement" they call TC.
In my mind, TC is evil. They have adopted a goal and a plan to get what they want and, at this point, appear that nothing but the ultimate solution will appease them. There is no end to the process, just read available documentation and you'll see the plan. You hear things like, "The next logical step is.........". It started out in baby steps and now with momentum, it's moving much faster.
Anyone that thinks they will be satisfied getting the smokers to quit is sadly mistaken, they have fallen in love with control and the money that has been generated by their efforts to get it. They have turned others that need to feel superior, for whatever reason, into very nasty individuals, hateful individuals. Those are the ones represented in that 35% against vaping on airplanes. They are the ones talking in comment sections about disgusting, low class, sub-human smokers that whatever is done to them is okay because smokers have brought it on themselves. Their "stench" (as if there is nothing else that smells bad) is equivalent to them pulling out a gun and killing someone. Then they drive home in their SUV and light up their fireplaces and they have no culpability for any damage to anyone. Why "Because smoking is the number one cause of death in this country" or is it tobacco or nicotine?
The average thinking human being will live and let live and are happy is they don't have to smell tobacco smoke, thus the fact that only 35% are against vaping in the poll. The more astute will realize that this is not the America they grew up in and they don't need to be as old as I to see it. They're asking, what's next?
In my mind, TC is evil. They have adopted a goal and a plan to get what they want and, at this point, appear that nothing but the ultimate solution will appease them. There is no end to the process, just read available documentation and you'll see the plan. You hear things like, "The next logical step is.........". It started out in baby steps and now with momentum, it's moving much faster.
Anyone that thinks they will be satisfied getting the smokers to quit is sadly mistaken, they have fallen in love with control and the money that has been generated by their efforts to get it. They have turned others that need to feel superior, for whatever reason, into very nasty individuals, hateful individuals. Those are the ones represented in that 35% against vaping on airplanes. They are the ones talking in comment sections about disgusting, low class, sub-human smokers that whatever is done to them is okay because smokers have brought it on themselves. Their "stench" (as if there is nothing else that smells bad) is equivalent to them pulling out a gun and killing someone. Then they drive home in their SUV and light up their fireplaces and they have no culpability for any damage to anyone. Why "Because smoking is the number one cause of death in this country" or is it tobacco or nicotine?
The average thinking human being will live and let live and are happy is they don't have to smell tobacco smoke, thus the fact that only 35% are against vaping in the poll. The more astute will realize that this is not the America they grew up in and they don't need to be as old as I to see it. They're asking, what's next?
Lets talk about Karen in Los Angeles. Who is karen you ask?
Glad you asked....
Karen is chronic poster at the MSNBC site where the airline e-cig poll is going on. She claims to be a former smoker and should stand as warning to vapers on how NOT to be when one stops smoking.
A sampling of her wisdom:
In response to this statement: "I have already begun a push to ban ALL colognes and perfumes from public places including airplanes."
She says:
So what do we know about Karen....I mean aside from the fact she is a lunatic?
She is a bigot..... a card carrying bigot. Now most everyone knows about the word "bigot" in reference to race, but not many know about it's general use. She doesn't like smokers, fat people or anyone who she feels didn't bathe up to her standards that day. She is typical though of what I have noticed about anti-smokers in general. If you talk to one of them long enough (painful I know)....you will see the hatred displayed in other areas as well.
Glad you asked....
Karen is chronic poster at the MSNBC site where the airline e-cig poll is going on. She claims to be a former smoker and should stand as warning to vapers on how NOT to be when one stops smoking.
A sampling of her wisdom:
In response to this statement: "I have already begun a push to ban ALL colognes and perfumes from public places including airplanes."
She says:
So what do we know about Karen....I mean aside from the fact she is a lunatic?
She is a bigot..... a card carrying bigot. Now most everyone knows about the word "bigot" in reference to race, but not many know about it's general use. She doesn't like smokers, fat people or anyone who she feels didn't bathe up to her standards that day. She is typical though of what I have noticed about anti-smokers in general. If you talk to one of them long enough (painful I know)....you will see the hatred displayed in other areas as well.
And they have no qualms at all about proclaiming their ignorance far and wide.
Did anyone catch the reply from someone saying they had never smoked, ever, in their life and was now using a PV with flavored juice (I assume 0 nic) to stay on her diet?
It appears that msnbc has removed the entire Vote option & Comments from the page. There is a link to Vote, but nothing but a couple of inches of white space in that area under "Vote: Should electronic cigarettes be allowed on airplanes?" Tried clicking all around the area to no effect.
Hmmm....the vote still shows up for me...perhaps clearing your cache , refresh page, will work for you.
The original question is incorrect. The question is "Should electronic cigarettes be allowed on airplanes?". It should be "Should use of electronic cigarettes be allowed on airplanes?" They are asking us to vote for something that has not been banned. Cigarettes are allowed on airplanes, you just can't smoke them. I want to think this is a simple error. I tend to think, however, it is a subtle way to support the antis. Or add confusion to the issue. But that's just read-between-the-lines me. BTW, I don't feel comfortable with subjecting someone who is essentially trapped next to me with my mysterious vapor. Regardless of the safety, plane trips are traumatic enough without making someone nervous further. On the other hand, if they pull out their 510, all bets are off.
Could it be that bigots like Karen are enlightening others to what they are by displaying their hatred? (as I tend to view rants on replys and forums) Or do you think her words resonate with the sheep anti's?
It actually did my cold, black heart some good to read how many non-smokers commented that the zealots have gone too far in regards to treating e-cigs like the next wave of the plague. I'm glad to see more people realizing that banning should NEVER be the default, only a very last resort and based on definitive evidence of real danger......not 'what if'. It is just plain bad policy to make laws based on the worst possible scenario. Many people pointed out that just about any human behavior can be picked apart and shown to have some kind of negative impact on somebody else. For instance, women over a certain age know full well that they run a higher risk of pregnancy complications. Yet no one suggests that a woman who underwent IVF (purposely getting pregnant at an advanced age) and ends up having triplets born prematurely and requiring NICU care should have to 'pay for it themselves'. We all end up paying for people who have kids they can't afford, we all pay for the treatment of chronic illnesses that result from obesity, we all pay for people who choose to drive gas guzzling SUVs as opposed to compact, efficient cars. I may not like it, but it's a price I'm willing to pay if the alternative is having the government decide who can procreate, what we can eat, and what we can drive or buy with our own money. How many people who want all these 'bans' still consider themselves proponents of a free society? Freedom isn't free became a saying for good reason. As for the asshats who want ecigs banned because they don't want to have to see them....the same could be said for a lot of things people don't want to see, but no one has the God given right (or constitutional right) to be free from exposure from things they don't like. You don't want to look at my e-cig? Okay, fine.....I don't want to listen to your kid scream on a plane for 4 hours and I can do without smelling dirty diapers. Doesn't mean I have the right to ban children on flights, does it? Sadly, people are so blinded by their self righteous ideology that logic doesn't stand a chance. It's so narcissistic.
Antis LOVE "reformed smokers" like this. They take cases like Karen as validation for their work. It's not just smoking. Look at any hot-button issue and you will find groups using reformed people as poster children. Religious groups live for this sort of thing. Nothing better than parading out some former atheists to the congregation for a few "amen...brothers and sisters...amen".
Hmmm....now that I think about it....antis are sorta like a cult. Karen needs deprogrammed....LOL
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