VV advice

[Tosiek]

So, im a long time vaper and long time ECF browser, never really posted. This place is great for info and people super knowledgeable so wanted to ask for peoples opinions on my future purchase. Sorry beforehand if this should be in the Variable Voltage forum, I don't have access there yet.

I'm currently smoking a 510 Ego with a dual coil 6ml tank. Been smoking it for a while now but only at home, at work I smoke reg cigarettes since I vape alot and battery life is only 2-3 hours max plus the hassle of lugging the setup around all the time. I'm looking to completely get off analongs and with this next purchase I want to set myself up so I have no excuses. My current setup works for now but I do need new batteries and a charger because the liquid on the connectors has been rotting away both of the contacts on the batteries and batteries. So, back to ECF to see whats new and what people are using the most before buying more of the same. And the flavor of the season is Variable Voltage PV's. So, after digging in and reading the past two days I have two options.

1. Go with the Ego twist or one of the improved versions, namely the vision spinner VV from gotvapes
2. Get a high end VV mod, specifically the Provari

Now, I can spend the money and get a provari which is part of the problem in deciding. If I was trying to be frugal this would be easy. I understand the value of quality, build and safety so the choice is a no brainer for me in deciding between the two on that end or something like a lavatube/other mod. I know what im getting with a Ego twist vs the provari even though the vape is pretty much the same and for me that money is money well spent. I personally would be happy with either from a vape quality perspective thus giving me the problem in deciding.

So, I have to choose one based on practicality, size, ect. I currently smoke reg cigarettes in work due to a bunch of small things that make vaping a hassle there. Mainly battery life and lugging around a little box for my smoke accessories. The ego twist is better on battery life over my 510 but only an hour or two more, while the provari would last me all day easy on their 40 battery. With the cost of the provari, I could get two setups of the ego twist or what im currently using and keep one at work and one home which was the plan in the first place if I go with the twist. This would fix my problem of lugging it around. But since I travel I would always be carrying one assembled ecig on me at all times. If it was just one Provari or one ego twist it doesn't matter. I would be adding extra stuff in my office and at home either way since I need backup liquid in both places.

The only reason im not saying "i'll just get the provari" is the size. Its just as long but twice as fat as the ego twist. Do I really want to be holding a thick almost 1" pipe in my hand all day? The ego twist looks a little more normal with a 3ml tank while the Provari looks even more weird. But the added features, the cool blue color on the Provari im looking at over the black ego twist and the nice look of the Provari make me want to still say maybe to the provari.

Anyways, I won't be ordering until later today but wanted peoples opinions on my small debacle.

 

[Tosiek]

And of course, vision spinners are now out of stock everywhere. Don't know if this is a sign or not.

 

[markfm]

Build quality on the Provari is, from everything I've heard, excellent. I keep a Twist in my car just for emergency backup, but it's only been used once (when it was time for a battery swap at work, turns out that my backup batteries were already used -- I had forgot to rotate them to the charger -- d'oh ). A twist vs. a higher end mod is apples-to-oranges.

The Twist run time isn't that great, IMO, but it is definitely very affordable, does the job, and is a nice backup, or primary if a person wants VV but doesn't want to spend the $ for higher cost units.

Another really rock solid VV, been out a while, is the notcigs Buzz Pro. Base unit is right about $100 (+ batteries/charger). Their M1A1 carto tank is also super, been using it since it came out. "ECF Buzzkill" is their coupon code (there's a place for it around the 4th step during checkout).

A new VV, if you have settled in on an all-day-vape, is the REOS VV Grand. It's a bottom feed box unit, 6+ml capacity, uses the excellent notcigs VV controller. It runs about $200 (again, plus batteries/charger). I really like this, take it out with a full bottle and fresh batteries inside, it's good for the day.

 

[Renzuli]

Welcome , but the little batteries on the twists and spinners , are no better than you have now . That being said , The Provari , while very nice , is kind of expensive . ( I know , I bought one ) then there is the Vmax by Smok Tek . VV , tells you all the things that a Provari does , and hits harder , as well . all this for 1/2 the money . I have both the Provari , and a Vmax , and actually favor the Vmax , because it hits harder at a lower voltage . A carto tank on my Provari , is used at 4.2 volts , and on the Vmax , I run it at just 3.0 volts . In my thinking , less voltage used ='s longer battery life . I may be wrong here , but that my opinion . Good luck in your choice .

 

[trepalium]

I've been using a lavatube for well over a year now and I have found it my all day vape. I've had the switch go out on them twice now and have finally just now ordered a provari. There is no question that the provari is a superior vape. With that said, I work from home and don't have to vape in a work setting. When I go out I've still brought an eGo or 510 with me, but I'm not worrying about battery life. You can get holsters for the provari if you are worried about lugging it around in your pocket. Without direct experience, based on what I've heard, I think you'll most likely regret not getting the provari. However, if you are new to vv vaping, you may be better off getting a twist first and getting a feel for it. They also make a vv eGo with an LED That allows for more precise voltages. Perhaps that might be a cost effective option with the size and battery life requirements you desire, but also allow you a little more options. Again, after my experiences, I've finally given in to the dark side and ordered a provari.

 

[NewbyNinja]

I would go with the provari mini. Its small and has all the power. Trust me you will end up there eventually. Save your self the money of going through Egos and just get the provari. I have probably been through 5-10 Egos, they just dont last very long with me. Provari will actually be cheaper in the long run (at least for me).

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I would also second the Mini Provari. As for the Twists and size understand the 650= 3" and the 1000= 5" WITHOUT clearos or cartos on it. The 900 mah is 4 1/4" long.

 

[Woody84]

The provari is good but the smok tech is the same if not better and its cheaper. No problems out of mine. Look into it .have a good one.

 

[madmartyr72]

I've been vaping for a year and a half and just recently took my first step into the world of VV with an eGo Twist and I am loving it! For the price range ($22.99 from AltSmoke) you can't go wrong. My Twist running at 4.3v with a ViVi Nova Slim Tank @ 2.4ohms hits like a truck every time I fire it. I don't think I could ever go back to vaping on standards again (unless it were something like a SB or Omega with low res). My plans are to purchase a ProVari Mini (btw, if you haven't tried one before, a ProVari with a 1.5ohm DCT running at just 5v will run you over like a train and sometimes even back up! They are awesome!) before years end, but I'm looking at over $200 to get started down that road. Until then, my Twists will handle the job just fine and I have been very happy with them.

 

[KillConfirmed]

my advice would be to get an itaste! they are great and hav fixed 510 connections

 

[bzlytbeer]

I have bought and made a few VV devices. In my opinion, the Provari is like the Ferrari of the bunch, and would recommend it, as long as money is not the issue. Also, keep in mind that if you do not end up liking it, you can sell it and make most of your cash back. Go with the mini if size matters.

 

[JEKBK1999]

I am very pleased with my Saber Touch VV from vapormoon.com

 

[John D in CT]

Tosiek -

Here's my take on it. I don't see this so much as a "ProVari vs. VV eGo-class" thing; I see it more as a "which to get first" thing.

See what you make of this post of mine from a couple of days ago:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ation-suggestions-new-system.html#post7468966

P******* -

********'s comments and advice are VERY much on-the-money; in more ways than one, come to think of it. Money? How much did you spend last year on ciggies? I'll wait while you add it up.

$3,000? A little more? A little less? OK, now multiply that by the number of years. We talkin' $20K? A little more? A little less?

$200 for a ProVari V2 - arguably the finest piece of vaping equipment ever made (and in the USA) starts to get put into perspective next to the $20,000 +/-.

That said ... you don't need one. Not now, maybe not ever. I have four of a poor substitute for it, but still a very advanced PV, the Smoktech VMax. It sits, while I have a Joyetech eGo-C Twist w/ Vivi Nova 3.5ml version 2.5 tank/atty slung around my neck, that is giving me a perfectly fine vape.

The fancier PV's give you longer battery life, digital readout, better voltage regulation, and, especially in the case of the ProVari, well-earned, and totally legit bragging rights to a "WOW, that is one nice PV!" device.

But the eGo-class VV's can now give you almost the same exact vape at a much more spouse-friendly price, and are more transportable, stealthy, and pocket/lanyard friendly, and less gawk-inducing. They are IMO a GREAT place to start, or to linger at for QUITE a while.

Once the SO is on board, and gets past the (arguably unrealistic) "You should just quit everything" deal, and sees how much money you're saving, then you'll have carte blanche to dabble in the "finer things" to be had in the vaposphere; ProVaris, VV Reo bottom-feeders, Darwins, GG Odysseus and Penelope tanks, the Bulli A2-TM atomizer, ZMax's, I-Atty's, Z-Atty's, Phoenix clearomizers, EMDCC's, Kangers, Gigantomizers, Humungomizers, Brobdingnagomizers, or whatever else you feel like exploring if you feel the need or desire to.

Right now, I'm having, as I say, a perfectly fine vape on my Twist/Vivi Nova, and feel very little of those needs and desires. YMMV, but please just at least get a VV eGo setup for now, since as Grimm Green points out so well, I think it will be a core part of your vaping arsenal no matter what other stuff you end up with in the future. Very few people IMO vape on just one combination of equipment all of the time.


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You did watch this, didn't you?

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

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I would definitley get the Twist/Spinner setup first, since it'll give you almost the same exact vape, and be more versatile (usable for more situations).

From another post, an exact shopping list with links:

Again, if I were just starting out, this is what I would have wanted to have, knowing what I know now:

Three Joyetech eGo-C Twists, or three Vision Spinners, or combination thereof; maybe 650-900mah.
Three Vivi Nova tanks; maybe 2- 3.5ml and 1-2.0 ml.
A box of five Boge 2.0 or 3.0 ohm single coil stainless steel XL-sized cartomizers
Two chargers (extra one for backup).
Juice - At least 5 flavors, at least 150 ml total, 18mg, 80/20.
Lanyard.
Trim ring.

You're done.

I truly wish it had been this simple when I was just starting out.

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Joyetech eGo-C Twist:

http://www.myvaporstore.com/Joye_eGo_C_Twist_Variable_Voltage_650mAh_Battery_p/ego-c-tst.htm

More Twists: Batteries E Cigarette

USB charger: eGo Rapid USB Charger 6.75

Wall charger: Mini AC Wall to USB Converter 6.25

eGo trim piece: eGo Cone Cover for DCTank

Lanyard: Joye eGo Lanyard

Joye eGo carrying case: eGo Leather Carry Case

Cartomizers: Crystal Clear Vaping

Cartomizers: Boge Mix'n'Match (5 Box) Boge single coils .92 each

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I'm not affiliated with any of these vendors, or profiting in any way from these recommendations (lord knows).

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Juice?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../242367-what-flavor-you-vaping-right-now.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/237068-name-your-fav-flavor.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/286680-throat-hit-chase.html[/QUOTE]

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The Grimm Green video really says it all; a VV eGo-class battery (or three) is just a great thing to have in your collection, no matter what else you have, or will have.

Good luck, and happy vaping!

 

[John D in CT]

Said just a little differently:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...wist-viva-nova-startup-kit-9.html#post7444918

"I don't think that this whole "what to buy first" thing is a choice between either A) eGo-class VV batteries or B) the more advanced devices. I think the eGo VV's are a very good way to go because there it seems to me unlikely that there is any one device - or class of devices - that will suit all vapers all of the time. An eGo-class VV will IMO suit a wider range of uses than a more advanced PV, and will very likely be found among the assortment of gear owned by an advanced vaper. I have some fancier stuff, and I use my Twists almost all of the time.

Yes, you get better battery life and digital readouts with the fancier stuff - and can now get VV and VW in a single device with the Smoktech ZMax; and yes, a ProVari V2 will last longer, and have less voltage drop under load, and look nicer ..... but I think that the actual vape from a Spinner, a Twist, or a kGo VV will be so very similar to the vape from a fancier PV that I can't see recommending them as a starting point.

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And here he is again ... you know him, you love him, you can't get enough of him, so let's all give him a great big hand ... Grimm Green!!! (yay!)"


THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

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The ProVari really is the best tube VV there is IMO. The Smoktech ZMax is worth thinking about because it does VV and VW (variable wattage), but it's not likely to be as insanely reliable as a ProVari.

And in addition to Twists and Spinners, there's now also this little bad boy that is VERY cool; not much bigger than an eGo battery, and takes a replaceable AW IMW 14500 (AA-sized) lithium manganese battery:

A PBusardo Review - Super eGo VV 14500 - YouTube

eGo VV, Super eGo VV, 6v eGo, Super eGo VV 14500, 14500 eGo, eGo 14500 VV | Country Road Vaping

 

[Doogmar]

If you are the type that is going to keep upgrading I think you should just go for a Provari. They aren't as big as I thought...4.1" w/out the extension, 4 1/2 " with the battery extension. I went from a cig style, V2, straight to the Provari and I love it. I went out and bought a flashlight holder for a holster to hold it when I'm on the go. If you don't want to spend the cash, the Ego twist sounds like a great unit...cuz who could argue with Grimm Green Whichever you chose you should be happy. Grimm Green and Pbusardo both seem to have great reviews on the popular units out there.

 

[Mustang73064]

Can't find one of those Super eGo VV 14500 anywhere...

 

[cedric212]

Can't find one of those Super eGo VV 14500 anywhere...

$40 shipped for the unit + battery and charger after using coupon code ECA Rocks to take 20% off entire order.

eGo 900mah Variable Voltage

 

[chesterdrawers]

The cheap ego vv's are okay but ultimately I consider them semi-disposable. If I get 3-6 months out of one of these then okay. They're good, cheap, light and portable devices.

If I were in the market for something like a provari I would wait for a variable wattage version. Maybe the makers will offer an upgrade later but who knows.

 

[Baditude]

I'd say get the Provari Mini. A little thicker in diameter than an eGo, but much shorter in length. If you do value quality, you can't go wrong.

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Like others have pointed out, the eGo's need to be considered semi-disposable. They are only rated for 250 recharges. In the long run, with the Provari you will only be replacing the batteries ($10) once a year, plus their usable charged battery life is longer than the eGo's.

The Provari is also much more extremely durable than an eGo, or even any of the cheaper V V big battery mods. You could throw a Provari at a wall and it would leave a dent in the wall and barely a scratch on the Provari. Throw any of the others against the wall and they will be in pieces on the ground.

The Provari can be serviced by Provape for as long as you have it. The Chinese-made devices....meh, you know the drill.

I bring my regular sized Provari with me everywhere. I have an Smokeless Image X2 (ego-type) travel case it travels in, along with a backup APV, spare batteries for both, and room for tanks. $14. http://smokelessimage.com/accessories/xl-carrying-case.html

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Another option would be to get a holster, like this one that is custom-designed especially for a Provari from Serenity Gear. $40. http://www.serenitygear.com/

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Even tho the Provari's finish is durable, I still try to protect it when out and about. I used a motorcycle dirt bike's rubber grip and cut windows for the LED screen, power switch, and vent hole with an exacto knife...for $9. Look for the Scott brand at your local motorcycle shop. This what to look for in this link: http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/192/4770/ITEM/Scott-Hurricane-MX-Grips.aspx

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[MrKV]

Provari mini. Do it.