VV only VS VV with VW too

[dezyner]

Ok, before I pull the trigger and drop mass cash, I just read a review of mods from a guy that owns a ProVAri, AND three other mods, he says he only uses the variable volt mods that are also variable watts. so, what's the bottom line with you guys, is variable watts THAT big a deal that I need to rethink the ProVari for a mod that also has variable watts? As always, thank you, you guys do know your vaping gear.

 

[SoberSnyper]

Ok, before I pull the trigger and drop mass cash, I just read a review of mods from a guy that owns a ProVAri, AND three other mods, he says he only uses the variable volt mods that are also variable watts. so, what's the bottom line with you guys, is variable watts THAT big a deal that I need to rethink the ProVari for a mod that also has variable watts? As always, thank you, you guys do know your vaping gear.

A lot of people like VW because they don't have to figure out what to set the voltage to when they change cartos or atties. To me it is a simple calculation so I don't worry about it. I still prefer VV because I can adjust by .1 volt increments, whereas most VW mods, you can only adjust the wattage by .5 watt increments. I can see why many prefer VW, it is easier, but its not an issue with me. The Provari IS the best VV mod you can buy and to me it still beats the many VW devices out there.

 

[Fury83]

It's not a big deal, I have provari's and vw apv's and I repeat, it's not a big deal.

VW just measures atty resistance and sets the voltage for you. VV you set the voltage.

I mean if you want a VW device, go buy one but you aren't going to be disappointed with a provari for lack of watt adjustment.

 

[Absintheur]

For me it is a matter of taste, not a matter of having to vape a specific voltage or wattage. I start low and increase to voltage on my ProVari till the taste is what I want. If I had VW I would do the same thing. What I do like about the ProVari is it is made in the US and back by a good warranty. Even when the warranty ends they can replace the board for a very reasonable price.

 

[junkman]

It isn't a huge deal. vw is a more elegent method of adjusting power than vv imo because with vw you are adjusting output, whereas with vv you are adjusting input.

However, both methods will provide that same output.

You didn't say what vw device you are considering so it is tough to make generalizations about those devices vs. Provari.

In my opinion few vw devices will be as dependable and well made and well supported as a Provari.

On the other hand some vw devices are much less expensive and have easier controls than Provari. If you go with a vw device like a vamo you could buy several for the price of a Provari, so if you had problems you could replace one or more and still be less expensive.

A device like an evic has a lot of additional features which some like such as upgradeable software, a cool screen, link to you computer, etc. it is also less than a Provari, but i have read a couple threads which say the are susceptible to drop damage.

The new zmax have nice screens and a lot of people like them too.

So basically, depends on what you are looking for - but vv or vw isn't the only issue to consider

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[guppy]

VW isnt something to go out of your way to get (IMO). I have a provari and bought a vamo for the VW and found out i dont like VW. Now i bought a mechanical mod with no VV or VW...

 

[dezyner]

It isn't a huge deal. vw is a more elegent method of adjusting power than vv imo because with vw you are adjusting output, whereas with vv you are adjusting input.

However, both methods will provide that same output.

You didn't say what vw device you are considering so it is tough to make generalizations about those devices vs. Provari.

In my opinion few vw devices will be as dependable and well made and well supported as a Provari.

On the other hand some vw devices are much less expensive and have easier controls than Provari. If you go with a vw device like a vamo you could buy several for the price of a Provari, so if you had problems you could replace one or more and still be less expensive.

A device like an evic has a lot of additional features which some like such as upgradeable software, a cool screen, link to you computer, etc. it is also less than a Provari, but i have read a couple threads which say the are susceptible to drop damage.

The new zmax have nice screens and a lot of people like them too.

So basically, depends on what you are looking for - but vv or vw isn't the only issue to consider

I

Looking at "all of the above" mods. lol, not wanting to make the same mistakes I have in the past, buying then learning. thought I would ask prior to dropping the buy button on a ProVari.

 

[junkman]

VW isnt something to go out of your way to get (IMO). I have a provari and bought a vamo for the VW and found out i dont like VW. Now i bought a mechanical mod with no VV or VW...

I can understand if you didn't feel like vw provided much additional benefit, but I have a hard time understanding not liking it. What is there not to like? Maybe if you clarify what you don't like about it I could understand, perhaps you didn't like the device or the menu? Otherwise, vw is just a way of increasing and decreasing power, so it is sort of like saying you don't like the volume knob on a stereo.

 

[junkman]

It isn't a huge deal. vw is a more elegent method of adjusting power than vv imo because with vw you are adjusting output, whereas with vv you are adjusting input.

However, both methods will provide that same output.

You didn't say what vw device you are considering so it is tough to make generalizations about those devices vs. Provari.

In my opinion few vw devices will be as dependable and well made and well supported as a Provari.

On the other hand some vw devices are much less expensive and have easier controls than Provari. If you go with a vw device like a vamo you could buy several for the price of a Provari, so if you had problems you could replace one or more and still be less expensive.

A device like an evic has a lot of additional features which some like such as upgradeable software, a cool screen, link to you computer, etc. it is also less than a Provari, but i have read a couple threads which say the are susceptible to drop damage.

The new zmax have nice screens and a lot of people like them too.

So basically, depends on what you are looking for - but vv or vw isn't the only issue to consider

I

Looking at "all of the above" mods. lol, not wanting to make the same mistakes I have in the past, buying then learning. thought I would ask prior to dropping the buy button on a ProVari.

I have a VAMO, and it has worked flawlessly for several months and I am happy with it. I like vw and the easy menu/control system. for the price it is tough to beat. That said, if you want unquestioned build quality and customer support, the provari is tough to beat in a regulated mod.

 

[jazon1]

i have 4 VW devices and still always end up with my provari in hand, the VW's are great if you are switching out tanks with different ohms all the time and dont want to keep adjusting volts but otherwise are the same for the most part,if your thinking about getting a provari just pull the trigger you will end up getting one sooner or later anyways might as well save yourself some money and just get it now

 

[muzichead]

The one thing that almost no one points out in these discussions is that if you vape multiple juices, like say a tobacco and a fruit type, then you will still have to dial in a different wattage regardless of what atty, carto, clearo, or RBA you have on top of the device. There are still variables and it doesn't matter if your device is VV or VW, you will still have to dial in what is on top.... I don't own any of the VV/VW devices, but I do use the kick in my Vmod XL and I can tell you that with it set at 10 watts with a Cisco spec LR 1.5ohm 306 atty and a 2.0-2.2+ohm 510 type atty, there is a difference in the vape. According to everything eVolve says I shouldn't, but I do.... I don't vape multiple juices either and I can notice a difference in my vape, so I stick to what works for me in the Cisco spec atty's....

The biggest decision is do you want a device that is going to last 1+ years or if you plan on replacing said device on a 1-6 month average as it seems with all the Chinese VV/VW devices being made right now.....

 

[Fury83]

I have a sigelei zmax and I feel like the body will last years but if the chip goes, you have no way to get it repaired.

If I could only keep one VV or VW device, it'd be the provari.

 

[guppy]

I can understand if you didn't feel like vw provided much additional benefit, but I have a hard time understanding not liking it. What is there not to like? Maybe if you clarify what you don't like about it I could understand, perhaps you didn't like the device or the menu? Otherwise, vw is just a way of increasing and decreasing power, so it is sort of like saying you don't like the volume knob on a stereo.

I dont like the .5 increments and thats pretty much it. i really didnt see no benefits of spending extra money for a VW device. I have the vamo which isnt a bad device but it wasnt worth getting for me since i already had the provari.

 

[IntelligentDesigner]

VolVo vs VW and VVVVVVariables and veni vidi vici to V or not two Vs and good lord what a thread name!

 

[jazon1]

I have a sigelei zmax and I feel like the body will last years but if the chip goes, you have no way to get it repaired.

If I could only keep one VV or VW device, it'd be the provari.

my first sigelei died at first i thought it was the board that went out, but as it turned out the + pin that the battery contacts to is just slapped on the side of the circuit board with something white(think it was conductive glue) with no support so when i used a larger battery on it it made it come loose and no longer work,

luckily where i bought mine gives a 6 month warranty on them so was easy to get it replaced, now im just being extra careful with the batterys when i do use it.

 

[Soundhunter]

You know.. this is an interesting discussion - Recently, I purchased two different VV/VW mods to go along with my pair of Provari minis...maybe its just me..but VW seems like the biggest gimmick in vaping to me.. Maybe you all can set me straight..

In the morning, I typically like to vape on a Vanilla custard with a touch of menthol.. The afternoon..maybe a little Vanilla Amaretto or a Black and Mild.. later in the day.. a fruitier flavored e-liquid like Hurricane, sometimes an apple, sometimes some Papa Smurf (soooo good ).. so.. obviously I like to mix it up a bit throughout a day..which in theory..should make me a perfect candidate for a VW mode..right? Now.. None of these flavors like the same voltage to my taste buds.. they all need a little more or less heat and sometimes that is even more affected by my mood to taste buds that day.

I should be able to drop anyone of these tanks on my Vamo or Evic and get a good, consistent vape.. right?...Not even close.. and what is even more frustrating is that it seems even more difficult to find the sweet spot on any of them.. I am adjusting the wattage as much if not more than the voltage??

I just don't get it..what's the point? I thought the deal was that i was suppose to be able to switch tanks and vape away and lets not even talk about the difference between the Vamo and eVic..

Maybe I am missing something but I know this.. I don't use VW at all as it seems like a complete waste of time to me.. voltage up or down to taste seems far more effective and quicker to me.. can somebody explain it to me because while I like both the Vamo and eVic..the VW part has nothing to do with it and both get absolutely unhinged by the "simpleton" and "archaic" Provari on all fronts..including vape quality


Can one of ya'll explain to me cause I am damn sure missing it?

 

[jazon1]

dont know, i never had a problem having to switch wattage's when swapping attys or flavors on any of mine but then again i make my own e-liquid so they are all 25/75%, maybe your juices have different consistency's and wick differently so need different wattage's to keep flavor constant?

 

[junkman]

You know.. this is an interesting discussion - Recently, I purchased two different VV/VW mods to go along with my pair of Provari minis...maybe its just me..but VW seems like the biggest gimmick in vaping to me.. Maybe you all can set me straight..

In the morning, I typically like to vape on a Vanilla custard with a touch of menthol.. The afternoon..maybe a little Vanilla Amaretto or a Black and Mild.. later in the day.. a fruitier flavored e-liquid like Hurricane, sometimes an apple, sometimes some Papa Smurf (soooo good ).. so.. obviously I like to mix it up a bit throughout a day..which in theory..should make me a perfect candidate for a VW mode..right? Now.. None of these flavors like the same voltage to my taste buds.. they all need a little more or less heat and sometimes that is even more affected by my mood to taste buds that day.

I should be able to drop anyone of these tanks on my Vamo or Evic and get a good, consistent vape.. right?...Not even close.. and what is even more frustrating is that it seems even more difficult to find the sweet spot on any of them.. I am adjusting the wattage as much if not more than the voltage??

I just don't get it..what's the point? I thought the deal was that i was suppose to be able to switch tanks and vape away and lets not even talk about the difference between the Vamo and eVic..

Maybe I am missing something but I know this.. I don't use VW at all as it seems like a complete waste of time to me.. voltage up or down to taste seems far more effective and quicker to me.. can somebody explain it to me because while I like both the Vamo and eVic..the VW part has nothing to do with it and both get absolutely unhinged by the "simpleton" and "archaic" Provari on all fronts..including vape quality


Can one of ya'll explain to me cause I am damn sure missing it?

It isn't a gimmick, but it isn't magic either. It is a way to control power similar to VV. VW just takes it a step further by controlling output power instead of input power.

What this means is that it adjusts the output (wattage) regardless of the resistance.

What this doesn't mean is that one wattage setting is going to be perfect for you at all times, with all juices, etc.

It is basically a refinement of variable power vaping. There are some advantages to it. There are no disadvantages to it. Therefore as a power management system it is better.

That doesn't mean that a device that has VW is necessarily better than one with only VV. There are much bigger differences between devices than just the power control scheme. All else equal VW is a superior power control scheme - but we know that all else is never equal.

Some people complain that many (not all) VW devices only adjust in 1/2 watt increments, which at certain power levels provides less fine adjustment then 1/10th Volt which is common on VV devices. I don't really think the small difference between 1/2 watt and 1/10th volt is significant, but some do.

Regardless, there are devices with 1/10th watt adjustments which is much finer than 1/10 volt, so that is a device specific difference and doesn't impact the concept of VW vs. VV, but only impacts the "everything else" issue.

 

[muzichead]

It isn't a gimmick, but it isn't magic either. It is a way to control power similar to VV. VW just takes it a step further by controlling output power instead of input power.

What this means is that it adjusts the output (wattage) regardless of the resistance.

What this doesn't mean is that one wattage setting is going to be perfect for you at all times, with all juices, etc.

It is basically a refinement of variable power vaping. There are some advantages to it. There are no disadvantages to it. Therefore as a power management system it is better.

That doesn't mean that a device that has VW is necessarily better than one with only VV. There are much bigger differences between devices than just the power control scheme. All else equal VW is a superior power control scheme - but we know that all else is never equal.

Some people complain that many (not all) VW devices only adjust in 1/2 watt increments, which at certain power levels provides less fine adjustment then 1/10th Volt which is common on VV devices. I don't really think the small difference between 1/2 watt and 1/10th volt is significant, but some do.

Regardless, there are devices with 1/10th watt adjustments which is much finer than 1/10 volt, so that is a device specific difference and doesn't impact the concept of VW vs. VV, but only impacts the "everything else" issue.

I'll start off by saying this made absolutely no sense whatsoever!!!! If it is a better power management system, why is it we still need to adjust it when changing juices and how does that make it any different from just VV???? Setting VV and VW alike, both stay fairly consistent until the battery drains.... We all know what VW was created for and what it is supposed to do, but if you still have to adjust it, then why do you need it instead of just VV???? Doesn't sound loike an advantage to me!!!! Most juices vape well at say 8.5w for most people, but some juices are too weak at 8w, but taste burnt at 8.5w.... What do you do then????

We all know what the #1 reason for getting the less expensive/lesser quality Chinese model over say a Provari, and that is solely for price and that's it.... IMO, whatever keeps you from switching back to analogs and works for you is what you should be vaping... It seems more frequently in the past year+ more and more people that were the bashing the Provari are now the advocates of the device.... I think there is merit in that, and the real reason is that the average person can calculate VW with any device by knowing the capability of your device and what you put on top of it!!!! It is funny to me how one of these threads are started on almost a daily basis, and people still don't get it....

 

[junkman]

I'll start off by saying this made absolutely no sense whatsoever!!!! If it is a better power management system, why is it we still need to adjust it when changing juices and how does that make it any different from just VV???? Setting VV and VW alike, both stay fairly consistent until the battery drains.... We all know what VW was created for and what it is supposed to do, but if you still have to adjust it, then why do you need it instead of just VV???? Most juices vape well at say 8.5w for most people, but some juices are too weak at 8w, but taste burnt at 8.5w.... What do you do then????

We all know what the #1 reason for getting the less expensive/lesser quality Chinese model over say a Provari, and that is solely for price and that's it.... IMO, whatever keeps you from switching back to analogs and works for you is what you should be vaping... It seems more frequently in the past year+ more and more people that were the bashing the Provari are now the advocates of the device.... I think there is merit in that, and the real reason is that the average person can calculate VW with any device by knowing the capability of your device and what you put on top of it!!!! It is funny to me how one of these threads are started on almost a daily basis, and people still don't get it....

...and some people still don't get it....

Kind of says it all.

If it makes no sense to you, then I don't know what else to tell you other than maybe read it again and think about it.

Oh, and that juice must be tough to dial in at 0.1volt increments as well.

Watts ohms volts

8.0 2.0 4.00

8.5 2.0 4.12

I guess it is possible :shrug: