VV REOS Part II

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Well said Alice and it's good to see you on the forum again. I missed you buddy :blush:

For any of you who have not experienced VV........ You will be AMAZED!!!!!!!! For those of you who have attys and/or cartos put away, that you just couldn't get satisfaction from and/or those you have no idea what they are or where you got them, you'll be able to put them back into use.

A little background ....... Early 2011 I purchased a beautiful new ProVari. I never used it for several reasons, a few being that I was very swamped (as usual) and didn't want to take the time to learn using it, I hadn't yet found a tank that I found easy and messless to use (REOs spoil you to using only feeders), REOs provide the most hassle free vaping experience possible, REOs travel around and sit solidly on most surfaces, etc. So, after months of no use, I traded my unused Provari for a REO (certainly not my first REO). So.............. being so excited about the marraige between the nearly perfect Notcigs VV chip and the one with the safest technology for VV vaping, using stacked batteries, my developing increasing impatience for a VV REO (it's Robert's fault!!!!!), and being weak, I ordered a Notcigs Buzz Pro. This is the safest, most user friendly, most comfortable to use (lighter than Provari) VV tube mod that has the same VV chip that Robert is using in the VV REOs.

I started using it last night with two different carto tanks; the M1A1 and hand blown glass tanks from Notcigs. Dispite the fact that my respiratory system is still quite delicate from the Flu I am still recovering from so I can't inhale much and my ability to taste much flavor is only beginning to function the ability to control the vape is AMAZING!!!!!!! And it is just so easy to control!!!!!

For those of us who have found our sweet spot with our non VV REOs using 3.7v, 5v, 6v we might not think we would get good use out of a VV REO. My experience is that there are enough variations in attys and cartos, even the same brand, lot group, and ohm range, that the VV can overcome most of those variations to turn an otherwise almost perfect vape into the PERFECT VAPE.

For those who haven't found their sweet spot or are new to vaping or who want to sample different attys/cartos, the VV will virtually eliminate the frequently long road to finding a "sweet spot" with just about any atty or carto on hand or purchased.

Currently my throat and lungs are in such a fragile, irritated condition my ability to inhale varies from only being able to pull vapor into my mouth without letting it touch my throat to light inhalation to throat only, to light inhalation to lungs. This varies on what medicine I have taken and how well it is working, that includes ingested meds, syrup cough/expectorants, throat lozenges and the degree of expectorant, cough suppressant, throat desensitization, etc., each has. Using the VV to change the vape, in slight increments of voltage variation, helps me to adjust the vape to my constantly changing respiratory condition. For instance, when, all of a sudden my throat and/or lungs reject the vapor with a coughing "fit" I can lower the voltage to be able to tolerate the vapor. Once one or more meds take affect the lowered voltage makes the vapor seem too "weak" so a small adjustment to higher voltage fixes it back to a "stronger" vape.

Since last night, due to my changing throat/lung conditions, I have vaped the same juice/carto, a 2.7 ohm IKV 510, from 3.4 volts up to ~5.5 volts. (Taste I can't comment on, at this time as my ability to taste is just beginning to come back. I'm vaping FSUSA 100% VG Butterscotch, 1/2 of mix, mixed with 50/50 PG/VG Applewood, 1/2 of mix. I can only detect a slight sweetness and a very slight bit of butterscotch, with my suppressed tasting functions.) But I'm able to vape again increasing/decreasing the strength of the vapor as needed. When I'm able to inhale the lowest voltage, for use when I can't inhale, doesn't give the satisfaction or flavor that I want so I just increase the voltage, with slight turning of adjustment wheel, till the satisfying feel and flavor are reached. When my throat starts rejecting the vapor I reverse the process and lower the voltage until I can tolerate the vapor without having a coughing fit (and then I take some more cough suppressent/throat soothing meds).

With experience one can achieve nearly the same thing switching out juices and or atty/cartos and voltages but for those who have little experience doing this, without many months of using different juices/nic levels/atty/carto combinations, it might not be possible to do the adjustment in a short time; and for some people it may be nearly impossible to even do.

The VV REO will make this possible for virtually ALL!!!!!!

I'm mainly discussing throat hit here but I have just enough ability to taste I know the VV REO is going to be as valuable for taste of juices, too.

On the mend Feisty Alice

BTW.... I probably won't sell the Buzz Pro, when the VV REOs are released, as the funky, hand blown tanks are just so much fun. Although I still have three tube PVs and now four, with the arrival of the Buzz Pro, I've only used, for over a year now, one tube mod, the Roughstack and I've only used it because I don't want to carry any of my REOs out to the woods to work. At the moment it is "lost" but I think it is in the house instead of lost in the woods. I have the Roughstack only because it is a tough little bugger, although it is not mechanical so subject to damage from water and juice leaks, but it is cheap to replace and I wouldn't and haven't "lost it if I lose it." Or if it gets banged up. You can, also, easily replace the circuit board. I haven't had to do that but I did purchase an extra board.

After using and carrying REOs, for over a year and a half, there is no other PV that I would even consider using as my main PV. For sure the tube mods don't travel around and about as well as any REO, metal or WOOD. No mod or conventional PV, I've ever used, and there have been quite a few, can even begin measure up to the toughness of any REO.

Using a feeder ruins the experience of using only a carto. But using a tank, on a battery or tube mod, is very impractical for moving about, carrying in pockets, or using/carrying while doing most activities. When I am working in the woods for a few hours and don't have a REO, which is almost always the case, and use the tough tube mod I have to carry extra batteries and even worse a bottle of juice to top up the carto. After using a feeder using a carto only, without constant topping up is a major drag.

For those of you considering getting a Buzz Pro, keep in mind that you can sell them for a decent price. Don't expect the value retention of a REO but do consider that the $20 or so you won't make back as rental and a tool to hold you over till you get your MOST EXCELLENT VV REO.
 

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Well the letter burning was done on Lenny's loaner VV mod (glad it came out ok) here are the before and after pics.
BEFORE & AFTER

Im glad you warned me Rob about the difference burning the stabilized wood. Im going to try using the back of the door of the Nebula to see if it will or won't work just in case.

WOW, you did a great job and that is SICK!!!!!
 

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So happy to hear your feeling better Alice missed your informative posts. Wasn't even thinking about a VV but your post has given me second thoughts. Thankyou again my Dear.

I assure you you won't be disappointed. If I didn't KNOW how superior the REOs are I would consider my Buzz Pro the be all-end all PV. Granted it is a beauty, but it doesn't replace the many advantages of a REO. I'm really looking forward to being able to taste again. My current favorite REO, The Very Special Teak, mvgratz, Mini Woodvil, using a well used IKV 1.8 510 atty has been my constant companion before and throughout my illness but during the times I can stand more TH, using the juice I'm using, it is lighter on TH than I prefer. (I could be vaping just about any flavor, right now, and I probably wouldn't be able to tell much difference in many flavors because of my almost non existent ability to taste.) I was using the same IKV atty before I got so sick and it was right at the point of needing a good cleaning and dry-burn as it was losing flavor production and TH, but not vapor production. After I got sick I decided to leave the same atty on as the much reduced TH suits my throat condition most of the time while sick and during recovery. But, when I am able to take more TH, it is too light in TH. I am, for sure, getting more flavor, though, with the atty on REO than with the carto in tank on Buzz Pro.

One major thing....... the constant voltage, from the VV chip regulation, is really a big +!!!!!! There is no fall off of voltage at all!!!!!! It pumps out the same voltage for hours and then just stops when the batteries run down to a preset point. No guessing if the fall off is the batteries or due to the condition of atty or carto. I really, really, like that.

Hugs and more hugs, Feisty Alice

BTW..... I'm having to keep a glass with me where ever I sit or work, to place the tube mod into, or else it will fall over or roll off of table or counter. Don't have to do that with a REO!!!!!!
 

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No problem, I would suggest you give the Cisco HR 306's a try. When the time comes and be sure to get your account ready before the sale. It's going to be CRAZY. Remember when the 18490's went on sale and the server completely froze on the website for about 3 minutes or something.

I was close to breaking the monitor at that time LMAO!! Luckily I got what I wanted though and so, I'm happy. Anyways, you can always use both. That's what I do since I always like having options. Just got myself a few Phiniac tanks too.
 

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I understand u, my friend:)
Have you tried IKV 801 stealth 3,5ohm with Grand at 7,4v? WOW!!!!! (hit and flavor exceptional....are my favorites atties at the same level of cisco 510 2,5-3ohm)
The only problem is that the 801, after a while, become clogged and puff gets very hard.
But I found a trick:D: I remove with cutting pliers the strip of black plastic that surrounds the base of the atom. Thus, the air enters better and the puff becomes perfect:D

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I look forward to tasting the IKV 801 also on Reo VV:vapor:

We've been using the 801, mostly SLB first, then IKV (I think, maybe, but not sure, that IKV custom 801 are made by SLB, but, please don't quote me on this.), since Summer 2010. I'm still using some that have been in rotation since early Fall 2010. In fact several of my REOs are native 801, including two of the Wood 18490. Mainly for those who haven't used the 801, they can be one of the best vapes but they can be cranky and have a new learning curve for different types/flavors of juices and different voltages. That being said, they are really tough attys. It is hard to kill one, even abusing it.

The 801 has a huge amount of wire mesh around the coil cup, more than any other atty I am aware of and the big bridge is covered with many times the amount of mesh than any other atty I am aware of. And the coil is huge. The wire mesh is one place that can become clogged with gunk. I have had great luck in using long alcohol soaks and then boiling to keep the mesh cleared out. Dry burning helps with the coil and wick gunk, too, and it is not as easy to kill an 801 atty, dry burning, as it is with many other attys.

I have had only one 801, a first generation IKV mini, that I couldn't get a burnt taste out of. I didn't debridge and dewick it, though. That may have cured it but I really don't know. The one very tired 801 that I debridged I didn't like the way it vaped. I have many 801's in my stasth so I just trashed the debridged one and the one that had a burnt taste. Both of those had been in rotation for a year so I think I got a lot of use from them.

I had one old older IKV 801 LR standard length that developed a tight draw soon after putting it into use. I snipped the very bottom of the ring off to expose the holes better but that didn't seem to help. I trashed it. (Actually I didn't trash the whole thing. I cut the tube off, for whatever use I may find and tossed the rest.) I'm now thinking that I should have tried drilling a small hole in the tube, above the bottom "ring" but I didn't think about doing that, at the time.

The above is pretty good testament to the durability of the 801. Three rouges, out of many, many is a pretty good track record.

I like the 801 enough that I'm getting at least one 801 VV REO and I've ordered an 801 top cap for my Buzz Pro. I'll use IKV Fusions (good stash of them) with tank on Buzz Pro but 801 attys on REO VV. (For carto use, on a REO, I've found the 1.7 Resurectors 510, native 510, to give better flavor, with our juices, than an IKV Fushion on a REO 801.

I have several boxes of IKV Stealth/Cannons, first generation, that I've never tried. I'm not sure what style they are, 510, 801, 901, but I hope to try them soon, especially with VV REO.

The VV REOs are going to open up a whole new world for us.

Feisty Alice
 

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I've heard that some of the stuff on IKV has been made by SLB too. That's what is being said about the Gold V2 cartos due to the draw and the filler material. Well, I'm not going to go to far with the cartos at this point since it's more of an atty discussion.

Only used the IKV 801 reg. It's true that it's a bit finicky since I never got the hang of filling it correctly. I know there's a lot of 801 and 901 fans amongst us REOnauts. Agree that the draw is a bit on the tighter side as well. For some reason or other, I never figured out how to use them correctly. They are pretty durable but, I did actually kill my 801 eventually. But, that was after about 4 months and I think I dry burned it to death.

One thing that I can say is when it did work correctly (1-2 personally) then it gave one hell of a vape.
 

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No problem, I would suggest you give the Cisco HR 306's a try. When the time comes and be sure to get your account ready before the sale. It's going to be CRAZY. Remember when the 18490's went on sale and the server completely froze on the website for about 3 minutes or something.

I was close to breaking the monitor at that time LMAO!! Luckily I got what I wanted though and so, I'm happy. Anyways, you can always use both. That's what I do since I always like having options. Just got myself a few Phiniac tanks too.

Pictures, pictures please.

I've been drooling over the Phiniac tanks!!!!! I just can't justify buying one, right now, after purchasing the Buzz Pro with two tanks. The hand blown glass tank, from Notcigs, is really funky. It's covered with "warts." I would love to get a mini Phiniac to use with Cherry Red, sparkly, SuperMini GLV, another tube Mod I've never used. REOs are just too easy!!!!!! And I want a Phiniac that has lots of true, deep red design and there aren't any of those right now.

I really need to post a picture of my "wanna be" VV REO (silver Buzz Pro with blown glass, warty tank).

Feisty Alice
 

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I've heard that some of the stuff on IKV has been made by SLB too. That's what is being said about the Gold V2 cartos due to the draw and the filler material. Well, I'm not going to go to far with the cartos at this point since it's more of an atty discussion.

Only used the IKV 801 reg. It's true that it's a bit finicky since I never got the hang of filling it correctly. I know there's a lot of 801 and 901 fans amongst us REOnauts. Agree that the draw is a bit on the tighter side as well. For some reason or other, I never figured out how to use them correctly. They are pretty durable but, I did actually kill my 801 eventually. But, that was after about 4 months and I think I dry burned it to death.

One thing that I can say is when it did work correctly (1-2 personally) then it gave one hell of a vape.

Yeah, I was reading on a thread, in past few days, not sure where, but IKV Fusions came up. There is another vendor who sell "Fusions" but one poster reminded the OP that Isaac has most of his atty/cartos, custom designed before they are made at the China factory, even to the point of sending US made coil wire, and maybe ss mesh, from US to China for his custom products. So the "Fusions" being sold, by another vendor, may be the same design, but without the same materials that are used for the IKV atty/cartos. When IKV made some minor changes for his standard size LR 801 atty I picked up 20 of them for <$1.50 each. I'm thinking the "change" may have been more materials change than design change. I really should order a couple of his current a 801 attys to compare. BTW.... I would have purchased all 40 that were left but another REOnaut wanted some. I use a tube cutter to cut them down to the length I want. They are low bridge so lots of room with which to play with length. I still have 19 of those <$1.50 attys, and other new ones, from 2010. I hate breaking into them when the very old ones are still vaping well. I already had a good stash of 801 SLB from when DH was vaping 801 pen style in 2010. Those are all close to 3 ohm. The <$1.5 IKV are all ~2 ohm.

Going through my stashes and organizing them, from all over the house, I found some unused, or tried once, attys that are 4.5 to 5 ohm. I don't know what I will use them with. 6v and 3 ohm 801 is a nice vape. I don't know if I'll ever have any PVs that will be a good match with 4.5-5 ohm atty, especially in the 801. The 2.7 IKV carto, at 5.5v, on Buzz Pro, is nice, even with my fragile, but healing throat and lungs (for the few minutes a day I can actually vape with much TH). And that's with sweet juice.

Feisty Alice
 
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I'll give you a pm with the link to the thread. I just don't feel right posting them here in the REO sub-forum. Phiniac Tanks are getting better and better with each run. The Notcigs glass tanks look pretty good. Personally, I really like a more plain type of look to my tanks. Which is why I got the textured versions.

It's true that REO's are easy to use and still my favorite way of vaping. Just use carto tanks for novelty reasons right now. Since I really do like how I can completely control the juice flow with my REO's.

Pictures, pictures please.

I've been drooling over the Phiniac tanks!!!!! I just can't justify buying one, right now, after purchasing the Buzz Pro with two tanks. The hand blown glass tank, from Notcigs, is really funky. It's covered with "warts." I would love to get a mini Phiniac to use with Cherry Red, sparkly, SuperMini GLV, another tube Mod I've never used. REOs are just too easy!!!!!! And I want a Phiniac that has lots of true, deep red design and there aren't any of those right now.

I really need to post a picture of my "wanna be" VV REO (silver Buzz Pro with blown glass, warty tank).

Feisty Alice
 

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VV REO Wanna-Bes They are anxiously awaiting their VV REO siblings.
Robert is using Notcigs, Mike's, VV control board; the same one in the Buzz Pro. It's the only
VV controller I will use as it is the safest, most reliable. Super choice Mr. REO!!!!

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Yeh, my friend .... the reliability and strength are the Rob's obsession:laugh: ......I'm sure (as we say in Italy) that these "do not make him sleep at night":D:D
 

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Wood burning on a stabilized mod wont be easy buddy. The wood has hard spots and soft spots .You would be better off getting a maple mod unfinished do your burning and have me finish it .

You know best so I wont try burning on the stabilized wood but I'll pass on your generous offer for the maple door. I got too much $s in that block not to use it all. I got a pretty good imagination and I'll figure out another way to get TESLA letters on the door. :) I got a couple ideas cooking in my brain. :D
 
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