Walmart...

[zoiDman]

Start with " the pursuit of happiness" and work you way back!

Gotcha...

So does the Flowery phrase "Pursuit of Happiness" also grant the "Right" to not have people blow vapor on them?

Or the "Right" to not have the Clothes or Food Products I might want to purchase not have Vapor exhaled on them?

Or does this Only apply to people who Want to vape in stores?

 

[Incognito™]

Gotcha...

So does the Flowery phrase "Pursuit of Happiness" also grant the "Right" to not have people blow vapor on them?

Or the "Right" to not have the Clothes or Food Products I might want to purchase not have Vapor exhaled on them?

Or does this Only apply to people who Want to vape in stores?

I don't think too many of us are gonna blow vapor "on" somebody or their food. Thats not what we claim the right to do. We claim the right to vape in public establishments. As long as our vapor is not being blown "on" somebody ...or even in their personal space, there shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Michael Curry]

Gotcha...

So does the Flowery phrase "Pursuit of Happiness" also grant the "Right" to not have people blow vapor on them?

Or the "Right" to not have the Clothes or Food Products I might want to purchase not have Vapor exhaled on them?

Or does this Only apply to people who Want to vape in stores?

I think it's in the same sub-paragraph that defines the right to go about in public while wearing overpowering cologne, and while being unwashed and reeking.

Hmmm... Looking at it that way gives me an idea. Maybe it's not about rights, maybe it's a discrimination issue.

Seriously - the problem with an argument like this his how fast it can degenerate to the utterly ridiculous. But I'm afraid the truth of the matter is that 'We have met the enemy, and they are us'.

And personally, I would rather buy merchandise that has been 'vaped on' than something that has been sneezed on by a runny-nosed 3 year old. Just sayin'

 

[DrOckW]

Some of the views in here are scary, we're going to end up as cast-outs just like smokers if we don't watch out. Remember it only takes one bad apple to make lemonade... or something like that.

Stealth vape if you have to.

My best to you all
-Doc

 

[zoiDman]

I don't think too many of us are gonna blow vapor "on" somebody or their food. Thats not what we claim the right to do. We claim the right to vape in public establishments. As long as our vapor is not being blown "on" somebody ...or even in their personal space, there shouldn't be a problem.

"... too many of us..."

All it takes is one person. And I think we All know that there is Allways one person out there who screws thing up for everyone.

You can "Claim" any "Right" you want. It's a Semi-Free country. But the fact is you do Not have a "Right" to vape in a store.

I think it's in the same sub-paragraph that defines the right to go about in public while wearing overpowering cologne, and while being unwashed and reeking.

Hmmm... Looking at it that way gives me an idea. Maybe it's not about rights, maybe it's a discrimination issue.

Seriously - the problem with an argument like this his how fast it can degenerate to the utterly ridiculous. But I'm afraid the truth of the matter is that 'We have met the enemy, and they are us'.

And personally, I would rather buy merchandise that has been 'vaped on' than something that has been sneezed on by a runny-nosed 3 year old. Just sayin'

Discrimination? Against who?

Against the people who chose to go to Wal-Mart and not have vapor blown on them and or the Products they would like to buy?

 

[Incognito™]

the fact is you do Not have a "Right" to vape in a store.

Unless the owner/manager of the store tells you otherwise, yeah, you do.

 

[Michael Curry]

Discrimination? Against who?

Against the people who chose to go to Wal-Mart and not have vapor blown on them and or the Products they would like to buy?

I don't recall anyone claiming any right to 'blow vapor' on anyone.

Has the criteria changed? I didn't get the memo.

It's really simple. If we act like we are doing something equivalent to smoking, people will treat it as such. It's self-destructive. Tact and diplomacy are of course necessary.

And as for discrimination, if they start telling certain customers that they have to go home and bathe before they are allowed to be in a checkout line in close proximity to others, then I will be OK with them saying I can't vape even if I am not near anyone. But I can put my PV in my pocket in the checkout line. The people with an aversion to hygiene are going to inflict their stench on everyone, regardless - they can't turn it off.

On a side note - I find it amazing how many people that are or appear to be anti-vape are attracted to this site.

 

[zoiDman]

Unless the owner/manager of the store tells you otherwise, yeah, you do.

I guess when you put it that way, you can do just about anything.

...

On a side note - I find it amazing how many people that are or appear to be anti-vape are attracted to this site.

I'm not anti-vaping. In fact, I'm Very Pro-Vaping.

Vaping has helped many people. Myself included.

But what I am Not in favor of is vaping Anywhere where smoking is not allowed.

 

[Incognito™]

I guess when you put it that way, you can do just about anything.

Nah.

You can't break the law. For example: Smoking indoors is illegal. Can't do it. Its NOT against the law to VAPE indoors.

 

[zoiDman]

Nah.

You can't break the law. For example: Smoking indoors is illegal. Can't do it. Its NOT against the law to VAPE indoors.

This is true. Vaping is not against the law in most public places. But stores also have the right to refuse service to customers.

It's not against the law to not wear shoes. But if you walk in a store without shoes on, there not going to arrest you, but they will probably ask you to leave.

That kinda where vaping is at Wal-Mart.

 

[Incognito™]

This is true. Vaping is not against the law in most public places. But stores also have the right to refuse service to customers.

Of course. If the owner/manager tells you that they don't want vaping in their establishment... then you have to honor their wishes. Its their property. They make the rules.

It's not against the law to not wear shoes. But if you walk in a store without shoes on, there not going to arrest you, but they will probably ask you to leave.

That kinda where vaping is at Wal-Mart.

No its really not. Its well known that going into a store shoeless will likely result in being asked to leave. In fact, a lot of establishments have a sign at the door that forewarns you.

I've vaped quite a few times in walmart and haven't had a problem. I even vaped in the check out line. Right in front of the bag lady and cashier. They were looking right at me and didn't utter a word. Theres no sign at the door that says you can't vape either. So shoeless and vaping are not in the same category of "unacceptable behavior".

 

[Iffy]

zoiDman,

Apparently you have missed or conveniently ignored the MANY posts that have promoted individual rights and included such typical phrases as "On the other hand, when 'challenged', be polite, respectfully ask for permission, explain your stand and comply with the resultant decision." BTW, that is a quote from my Post #17 in this thread.

It's somewhat tiresome for you to continue to attack what your canned responses can 'challenge'. There have been very few folk here that have promoted vaping anarchism. Most have a reasonable outlook on this neo-nic environment and are shuffling in the dark to find a sensible and acceptable path.

To spin phrases and mock those that are struggling to educate and 'convert' the public is not only a disservice to the whole vaping community, but also to those in the general public that could be weaned from tobacco. You conveniently pop up when a phase or comment makes a 'match' on your 'preprogrammed hit list'.

As to my statement that you responded to, please spend more time in reading ALL the contents of ALL the posts. You'll probably find a common and civil thread woven within that makes your mundane and, honestly, boring knee-jerk responses very trite.

Sure wish we could of had this discourse about 250 years ago! Never mind, different type of vaping back then...

ETA: WOW, 5100 cigs avoided, vaping all the while. AND no one out in the public has treated me as rudely as some here on the ECF... waaaaah! (pout, vape, pout, vape...)

 

[zoiDman]

Of course. If the owner/manager tells you that they don't want vaping in their establishment... then you have to honor their wishes. Its their property. They make the rules.
...

Now this is something I can Completely agree with.

Also, If everyone agreed with what you just said, we wouldn't even have threads about Vaping in public places.

There wouldn't be any problems.

 

[zoiDman]

zoiDman,

Apparently you have missed or conveniently ignored the MANY posts that have promoted individual rights and included such typical phrases as "On the other hand, when 'challenged', be polite, respectfully ask for permission, explain your stand and comply with the resultant decision." BTW, that is a quote from my Post #17 in this thread.

It's somewhat tiresome for you to continue to attack what your canned responses can 'challenge'. There have been very few folk here that have promoted vaping anarchism. Most have a reasonable outlook on this neo-nic environment and are shuffling in the dark to find a sensible and acceptable path.

To spin phrases and mock those that are struggling to educate and 'convert' the public is not only a disservice to the whole vaping community, but also to those in the general public that could be weaned from tobacco. You conveniently pop up when a phase or comment makes a 'match' on your 'preprogrammed hit list'.

As to my statement that you responded to, please spend more time in reading ALL the contents of ALL the posts. You'll probably find a common and civil thread woven within that makes your mundane and, honestly, boring knee-jerk responses very trite.

Sure wish we could of had this discourse about 250 years ago! Never mind, different type of vaping back then...

ETA: WOW, 5100 cigs avoided, vaping all the while. AND no one out in the public has treated me as rudely as some here on the ECF... waaaaah! (pout, vape, pout, vape...)

Wow... Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

I guess you could allways put me in your ignore list if it that bad.

 

[Incognito™]

Now this is something I can Completely agree with.

Also, If everyone agreed with what you just said, we wouldn't even have threads about Vaping in public places.

There wouldn't be any problems.

Yeah but the point I'm getting from you is that you shouldn't vape where you can't smoke. Thats where the majority aren't going to agree with you (including me). Vape until your asked not to by an owner/manager. Thats my plan. Although, it has not happened to me.

 

[Iffy]

Wow... Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

I guess you could allways put me in your ignore list if it that bad.

Oh, you wish!!! Noper, I put no one on ignore. Why, you may ask? 'Cause I care more for the membership and the advancement of vaping than I do about being right or wrong in your mind.

Challenge my rationale and I'll respond. But, I'd NEVER invite someone to put me on ignore. You have been silenced before in the face of rational truth. So, no way will I put you on ignore. You're too much fun!

And, the only reason you're sorry for ruffling my feathers is that you can not dispute anything I've posted. Save that 'sorry' for when ya really need it; like when you really are in deep guano.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Vaping is NOT smoking. Chewing gum is NOT smoking. Tap dancing is NOT smoking, and saying the word "ship" is not the same thing as saying the word ".....", even though a person half-listening might mistake one for the other.

The idea of automatically assuming that vaping is governed by the same rules as smoking is ridiculous imho. They are not at all the same thing. One is an open flame, burning plant materials and putting irritants and carcinogens into the air, and the other does none of these things.

I understand that some might wish to restrict vaping for any number of reasons. For example, someone might observe me vaping (using a 140mm long PURPLE or GREEN device) and erroneously assume that I am smoking; and decide to light a cigarette. Management of an establishment might believe their patrons are so ungodly stupid that my vaping might fool them into believing all the rules against smoking indoors in public had been miraculously repealed. Rather than have to deal with explaining the difference to an i-d-10-t, they would want me not to vape.

Others might wish to restrict it simply because it is a selfish pleasure in which they cannot share. Some people simply HATE to see anyone else enjoying themselves. Really.

Others might be puritans who gain a certain glee from causing smokers to suffer by going long periods of time without smoking; and they would be enraged by someone vaping to skirt their little system. (Because for them, it is not about health -- it is about punishing sinners.)

There could be lots of reasons.

But unless there is a SPECIFIC RULE that quite specifically addresses vaping; it makes no sense for me to assume that rules pertaining to smoking, driving or any other unrelated activity apply.

Many use vaping as an off-label stop-smoking tool; but just as many use it as a means of using nicotine in places where smoking is prohibited (such as the lavatories of airplanes). I have used it to cut down substantially on smoking, but also to be able to use nicotine in places where smoking is not allowed.

Therefore I have quite specifically vaped in bars and restaurants. I do not assume it is prohibited unless there is a sign specifically disallowing the practice.

I've never vaped in Walmart; but I don't think I've ever been there for longer than a few minutes either.

The only one that I'm aware of that actually a legitimate ban is on an airplane!

There's no fresh air on a plane, its all recirculated.

Your exhale DOES contain nicotine and has been proven in hospitals (where patients heavily vaped) that the exhaled nicotine negatively affected other patients in the same room.

So as many other have pointed out, vaping in non-smoking areas is pretty much asking for trouble!

 

[illillillillilli]

I have been informed by an associate from another store that there is a wal-mart policy against e-cigarettes. I will have to check this out.

 

[Iffy]

... has been proven in hospitals (where patients heavily vaped) that the exhaled nicotine negatively affected other patients in the same room.

Would you please provide a link to that study? For I have not seen any study addressing that specific scenario. Not that I don't see the possibility, but, there hasn't even been a definitive study on nic absorption via vaping (let alone second-hand vaping).

ETA: There are several personal posts on the ECF that completely counters your statement. Some members and their non-vaping/smoking mates have been nic tested and NOT ONE report has demonstrated such a transitional interaction.

 

[Michael Curry]

So as many other have pointed out, vaping in non-smoking areas is pretty much asking for trouble!

To all those who wish enter into a self-imposed exile with the smokers - have a ball. Enjoy the weather out there.

Vaping isn't smoking. How much simpler can it get?

I don't assume that I can't chew gum just because smoking isn't allowed. Why would I assume any other dissimilar activity would be forbidden?

Until told otherwise (in other words, neither smoking nor vaping are allowed) I shall merrily vape in a manner that does not not offend the other shoppers. Because I'm not smoking. I only wish the other shoppers would extend me the same courtesy when it comes to their kids.