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swedishfish

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LOL

We do seem to run in the same circles lately. That is a good thing because I like reading your posts.

I have a rule. Never Go to Wally World on a Weekend. And Never Go there Unless you Obsolutely Have To.

"Is it me or do they import Fat, Slow people just to get in front of my cart every time I go there?"

Good advice. For an elderly person my mom can move pretty fast, especially when it involves shopping so I spend half my time looking for her. She's small too so not easy to find. I told her I'm going to tie a balloon to her so I can find her.
 

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I do understand that many people do not understand that it is not smoke because they do not know yet that PV's exist (notice I always refer to e-cigs as PV's due to the stigma attached to cigarette smoking). So what is the worst than can happen if you freak someone out when they see your vapor and think it's smoke? First off, after seeing the cloud of "smoke" they should realize that they are not smelling smoke. So then if they do confront you, the you nicely explain/educate them about PV's. If instead of confronting you they complain to management and then management confronts you, you then nicely expain/educate to them. If managent asks you not to vape or leave after you educate them, then you comply either way you wish -at least the word gets out. By now, there are also many people who do know that PV's exist (there are a couple t.v. commercials out and some magazine ads -whole different topic so lets not go there in this thread) so they will almost instantly know that you must be vaping. I understand that Wal-Mart has the right to kick anyone out of their store for various reasons such as causing a big scene, but as long as a vaper is not causing a big loud scene, and is not physically harming anyone with their vapor production, nor menatally harming anyone other than possibly offending someone, than they do not legally have much to go by. This "offended" BS has to stop somewhere -after all as I tired to explain in my previous post, I get offended/annoyed by others in public places all the time for various reasons (for example having to listen to their screaming kid the whole time I'm shopping), but I don't ask that they leave. So to a certain extent I don't give a rats a** if I offend someone with my vapor output simply because at first they think it's smoke as it is obviously not smoke -does not smell nor act even near to smoke. Now when it comes to vaping in a theater, I would not want to try to watch a movie through a cloud of vapor, so I would not vape in a theater unless I could prevent a cloud from getting in other's view.

You can't argue the point that vaping can easily be confused as smoking. Just above a fellow vaper admitted to making the same mistake. To make any points against this fact just makes a person sound silly, no matter how obvious it may be to you or anyone else here that it is not smoke. Your comment about not caring makes my point. It's all a matter of respect for others.
 

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You can't argue the point that vaping can easily be confused as smoking. Just above a fellow vaper admitted to making the same mistake. To make any points against this fact just makes a person sound silly, no matter how obvious it may be to you or anyone else here that it is not smoke. Your comment about not caring makes my point. It's all a matter of respect for others.

You're never going to convince a non-smoker the merits of vaping. They don't smoke so they really don't care and just think it's dumb. The people I care about are the smokers. Almost any time I've vaped I've had a smoker ask me about it. I don't know of a smoker out there that doesn't want to quit. I had a guy actually hug me when I told him about it and how I quit smoking using it. OK, that was a little weird, but still. He said he'd never seen anyone use one and doubted they worked and thought they were really expensive. I'd love to think this guy is vaping now.
 

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I don't know the answer and definitely can see both sides of this issue and don't honestly know who is right.

One the one hand, if we continue to treat vaping as smoking and hide out to vape the word won't get out about vaping and people won't have the opportunity to see what a wonderful thing vaping is and how it can change and save lives. Read the legislation section and see how little by little our rights regarding vaping are slowly erroding. Before we know it we'll be one of those countries that don't allow vaping at all.

You need to pick your battles I guess and it might be lost on the Walmart crowd.

I understand the whole not hiding and educating aspect of things. Like I believe you were just saying, Wal-mart not being the place. Unless ofcourse you were outside educating the smokers on vaping. That could be quite positive. If you only find the need to educate people on vaping after you've already offended them and just use as an excuse to render their offense pointless than you are probably doing more harm than good. Congratulations, you just lost a point for vapers. I just got home from Wal-mart about an hour or two ago and I certainly had no trouble keeping my PV in my pocket. Personally I have no desire to keep discussing this though. So I probably won't be making any more responses on this thread no matter how I feel about this topic, because I think a lot of points on this topic are a matter of feeling. I think I'm going to stick to technical threads from now on.
 

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No actually, a friend of mine shared one with me in a dive bar once. It was the only time I tried one before I bought my own.

I saw that Katherine Heigl on TV vaping and got me interested. We could use more celebs (non-crack heads weirdos) like her to get the word out.
 

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Point is, I shouldn't have to go outside with the smokers, esp in bad weather & freezing cold winter. I'm just passionate about preventing vapers from being catagorized with the smokers and inconvienienced. I shop at WalMart quite often only because it's about the only store close to home. I have yet to vape in there simply because I haven't felt the urge to vape in there yet since I vape in the car to and from -I'm just saying that if I or another vaper happens to have the need to vape in Walmart (I have been known to shop there for 2+ hrs at a time) or any other store that we should be able to, as long as we are courteous enough to not blow our vapor in someone's personal space, nor have an attitude about it when someone confronts us because they don't understand and think we are smoking. We vapers do need to be careful to not put out a negative attitude/image. We need to stand up for our vaping rights in a respectful and educational manner. If I were to vape in a public place and a person mistakes it for smoke and confronts me about it and then I calmly and nicely educate them about my PV, I don't think it looses any points for vapers. There are a few anti-smoking people who are going to be offended by it no matter what, but point is that it's not hurting them so they will just have to deal with it once they know it won't hurt them. Also, there are many people who may be non-smokers themselves but will appreciate that we are not smoking, and may even know smokers that they may want to introduce to vaping from learning about it from us. If ever confronted, I will be sure to point out that there is no fire, no ash mess, no cig .... to litter the ground with, and nothing more than water vapor being exhaled. Anyway, that's my opinion, and that's where I stand. :D
 
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Yeah - It's popular to be on the anti-Walmart bandwagon. You really think it's any different at Sears, Target, or wherever? The discussion happens to be about Walmart, but it's no different anywhere else.

Exactly -it's about the right to vape, no matter what store you are in -Walmart just happens to get picked on, for various reasons.
 

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Yeah - It's popular to be on the anti-Walmart bandwagon. You really think it's any different at Sears, Target, or wherever? The discussion happens to be about Walmart, but it's no different anywhere else.

Speaking of Target... I was shopping there last night and vaped in a couple of deserted aisles. I just giggled and moved along. :D
 
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