Want a better hit, less nic?

[the86d]

HOLY CRAP! If this is what they call a throat hit, then WOW!

I just found a combo that works for me, better.

I have been mixing and I could never get the "INHALE" I was looking for.

1 part PGA, 1 part low nic juice that is sitting around (mixed or not), 1 part PG. OMGosh this is great.

After a few beers I want to feel the smoke-like drag I used to get from cigs and then some. It normally seems to get weaker after vaping at at the end of the day for a few hours(, and after a few beers).

This Fixes the craving for a "better-than-a-throat-hit", but not burning.

I just wonder if I will get a DUI if I do it on the way to work and get pulled over, LOL! 1/3 Pure Grain Alcohol though.

I was upping the NIC so I could get a better drag, and this was causing me to stay up until 1am-2:30AM (WAY to late for getting up at 5:45AM) due to increased consumption of nic the stimulant, I believe.

I believe the issue is resolved tonight.

Does 75% Everclear have a scent? I would love to use this mix at work, but I am afraid that others would think that I am drinking on the job.
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I posted this in another thread, but I am 90ish posts in and just now discovered how to navigate the forum threads... LOL! Post my post, that is! I work in IT, and now REALLY feel like a dumb-asp. I can admit it. (I never had this problem in DOS. hehee)

 

[Debra]

LOL Good for you!
I'm gonna have to try that. Throat hit is a big thing for me too.

 

[them0nk]

everclear smells, and to me TASTES like rubbing alcohol. lol i'm a rum drinker... that stuff is killer though... i bought some to try try clean some attys *which i failed at* and it lingered in the attys for a while. it was hardcore to say the least.

 

[gooney0]

I'd worry that the PGA wouldn't vaporize completely and gunk up the atty. Have you had that problem?

-Gooney0

 

[the86d]

Usually under 10% in all I've made thus far. Unknown atty change.

 

[Angela]

Iwould have thought that 1:1:1 of PGA/E-liquid/PG would have made a mix far too runny to be a sucessful vape Any problems with it wicking too fast?

 

[doots]

Wonder if ther PGA would burn too hot on the atty or it makes any difference?

 

[Scottes]

Iwould have thought that 1:1:1 of PGA/E-liquid/PG would have made a mix far too runny to be a sucessful vape Any problems with it wicking too fast?

That was my thought too. At least use VG for some thickness and vapor.

 

[the86d]

Iwould have thought that 1:1:1 of PGA/E-liquid/PG would have made a mix far too runny to be a sucessful vape Any problems with it wicking too fast?

I have had it ooze out of the atty holes, but I just tried it last night. I was too scared of people thinking I was "hitting the vodka BEFORE lunch" to vape this mixture even this morning before work. I stuck to a "not as good" mix.

 

[the86d]

Wonder if ther PGA would burn too hot on the atty or it makes any difference?

Hitting it right now (...well a top-off on top of my reg mix), and it works GREAT!

 

[the86d]

That was my thought too. At least use VG for some thickness and vapor.

The "juice" I stated that was sitting around was a mix I made... sorry.

My "Juice" referenced: 5-10% eLiquid, 30-40%PG, 30%vg, 5-10% Distilled water, and 10-20% Flavor of the LorAnn variety.

It works better than my mix due to being so thin. I can get more than 1/2 the poly-fiber emptied.

Should my "Juice" be changed... I never get more than a bit out of the poly-fiber before needing a top-off? (Aside from this NEW mix.)

 

[Scottes]

I always say: If it works for you, then there's no problem. Why try to solve a non-problem?


However, there are some better things than poly-fill.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-foam-plug-bfp-510-cart-mod-search-over.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartridge-mods/46916-reservoir-straw-plug-mod-rsp-mod.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartridge-mods/46294-must-try-adm-auto-drip-mod.html

They're all kinda similar. I have one of the second, and another of the third, and they last me hours between refills. With both, I can drive to work and work all day, and then refill right before the drive home just to make sure that I don't run dry. Refilling a cart at 85mph is a little dangerous.

 

[HippyGirl]

Ha! I just discovered the PGA trick tonight myself...used the following recipe:

25% - 36mg unflavored
40% - VG
10% - PGA
25% - Flavor (I used roughly half Butter Rum/half clear vanilla extract)

According to the desrtrat's "Easy E Juice Recipe Creator", the resulting strength is only 9mg, but it "feels" higher to me.

Anyway, this was my first day of mixing...so far I'm happy!

Sherry

ETA...I used Golden Grain 190 Proof instead of Everclear.

 

[DVap]

I'd worry that the PGA wouldn't vaporize completely and gunk up the atty. Have you had that problem?

-Gooney0

Ethanol boils at 78°C, it will not "get stuck" in the atty. It is one of the more atty friendly materials I can think of.. very clean and it won't hang around.

vaping a liquid 33% in PGA? I've never gone above 20%, but I'll bet 33% adds some hit! I'd be mostly worried that 33% PGA would result in a very runny liquid.

 

[the86d]

When using similar Home-Brew mixes I have been placing the device on a paper towel because it does tend to ooze from the atty holes, and gurgle. I have to unscrew and wipe the atty treads and such allot.

I have been happy with non-PGA mixes as long as I have enough PG in them for the most part.

I'll have to try the other variant on PGA mix listed above, I find that the PGA mix I made does not seem to linger in the lungs as long. It tends to be what I will describe as a "CLEANER" vape.

 

[Scottes]

When using similar Home-Brew mixes I have been placing the device on a paper towel because it does tend to ooze from the atty holes, and gurgle. I have to unscrew and wipe the atty treads and such allot.

Your juice is too thin, or your filler material is too porous. Add some VG, or find some denser or thicker filler material.

Adding VG is easier and less frustrating.

 

[Cherice]

I just tried this with 1 part PGA, 1 part VG, and 1 part PG for a no nic option. Works freaking awesome. Nice throat hit and vapor with no nic!

 

[Kurt]

This has sparked a question I have had in my mind for some time. When using VG, one sees and experiences more "vapor". But in fact, it is LESS vapor than with thinner juices. Vapor is, by chemical definition, gas phase, and thus is invisible (although some gases are colored, like brown NO2). We would say gases are "clear", and smoke or what vapers term vapor are "cloudy". What we see are tiny droplets, not actual vapor. VG produces larger and more droplets than PG, and adding ethanol will decrease the surface tension of juice, making it thinner, smaller droplets, more actual vapor/gas-phase.

I would think that droplets of VG encasing nic would make the nic less available for absorption orally or in the lungs as compared to purely gas phase nic, where the nic molecules are completely separated from everything, and not encased.

My question is this. Could the ethanol be doing a few things here, that is, adding that ethanol throat hit, thinning the juice to make it flow a better, and making the vapor/cloudiness thing less, allowing more "free" nic to be absorbed, which the throat also responds to? Anyone that has used Nicatrol inhaler knows that you dont need ethanol or any vaping vehicle (PG/VG) to have a serious throat hit from pure gas-phase nicotine. And the nic effect is faster than with a lozenge.

I have found that while using almost exclusively VG for my DIYs gives a lush pleasurable cloud, even 35 mg gives very little throat hit, but adding a little ethanol allows me to be more nic-satisfied with lower nic-level juices...although those plumes are very nice.

In the extreme scenario would be vaping a solution of nic in ethanol alone. Probably a good way to get nic, as nic would vaporize along with the ethanol. But vaping just ethanol would likely be REALLY hitty, and go to your head in a big way. There used to be glass brandy pipes that you inhale from across the surface of something like Gran Marnier. I had one, and lemme tell ya, it would fudge you up!

Anyways, my 0.2.

 

[supertrkre2812]

I think DRIVING 85 mph is a little dangerous. But driving 85 while refilling a cart, talking on the cellphone, putting in a new CD and tying your shoes would just be like NORMAL driving in NYC or LA.

 

[Scottes]

This has sparked a question I have had in my mind for some time.

Kurt, you're the one with the chemistry background, not me, but everything you're saying rings true from all my testing with a good deal of DIY. I finally got my hands on some 190-proof Everclear, and that seems to be making quite a bit of difference for throat hit compared to the 80-proof vodka that I've been using until recently. I will have to pay attention to the nicotine "hit" tomorrow and test some more.

Your comments about VG inhibiting nicotine intake also rang true. I've been thinking about that lately, ever since I got oral thrush from using all-PG juice. Since then I've been using as much VG as possible, generally around 60%. Every once in a while I'll spend a day on a PG juice for one reason or another, and my craving for nicotine seems to be reduced on those days.

All this is fairly anecdotal right now, but I'll start to pay more attention to these things over the next week and see how I feel.