Want to try juices but...

[gcram399]

Cignot now carries ECOpure. Just got some of their Menthol.

 

[kase]

There sure is a lot of talk, but not a lot of proof that the nicotine was extracted, processed and manufactured in the US of A. Not even on Halo's site.

 

[BadState]

I know for a fact eliquidplanets usa juice is 100 percent USA made and he doesn't rebottle or repackage anything because in order to open a container and pour it into another container you need a food handling license and a lot of insurance and inspection from the local health dept. So the question to juice suppliers should be....do you have the proper facility and license to make juice or repackage it.

E-liquid isn't food though. I don't think food handling laws are applicable.

 

[DC2]

Reply from an email to Halo...

Our nicotine is sourced from industry leading USA based Life Science and High Technology companies that provide pharmaceutical companies with their active base ingredients. In addition, our nicotine is USP grade. The USP is a USA based official public standards-setting authority for prescription and over-the-counter medicines and other healthcare products manufactured or sold in the United States. USP sets standards for the quality, purity, strength, and consistency of products such as Nicotine which is critical to the public health.

Our ingredients contain USP Grade Propylene Glycol and USP Grade Glycerin along with a proprietary blend of USP Grade Natural and Artificial flavorings. All ingredients are FDA and FEMA approved food additives, and we use only the highest quality USP Grade Nicotine with a Certificate of Analysis. Our nicotine is tested and documented to be a minimum of 98%-99% pure before our e-liquid is created in our US facility. We incorporate Lot Number Tracking as a means of tracking our e-liquid through the supply chain.

 

[kase]

Weird, I couldn't find 'Life Science and High Technology USA' or anything similar when googling. So, I take it thats not the name of the supplier, just a generic description of the type of business they have? Not knocking halo at all, Im sure their juice is very good. I just wonder how you could prove your nicotine was made/extracted/manufactured/grown in the USA? Is that even possible to prove? I would be very disappointed if these nic bases come out of China and not because I dont like Chinese juice. It's because I don't like liars.

 

[Kent C]

Interesting discussion on nic juice purity in this older thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nybody-read-totally-wicked-14.html#post645569

Some good posts after this one (and before) if someone wants some reading ;-)

 

[Numanoid]

Need to add Tasty Vapor to the list.

Tasty Vapor

Custom made/custom mixed in the USA.

 

[jersey_emt]

Strictly E-Juice = Dekang

 

[Keebler]

Weird, I couldn't find 'Life Science and High Technology USA' or anything similar when googling. So, I take it thats not the name of the supplier, just a generic description of the type of business they have? Not knocking halo at all, Im sure their juice is very good. I just wonder how you could prove your nicotine was made/extracted/manufactured/grown in the USA? Is that even possible to prove? I would be very disappointed if these nic bases come out of China and not because I dont like Chinese juice. It's because I don't like liars.

Couldn't find anything either. That email sounded more like pr fluff than a real answer, but I am very happy with the quality of their juice. Unless I hear otherwise (like pesticide, which I must mention that the whole idea came from their site) I will likely stick with it.

 

[kase]

Exactly. I dont care where it comes from, I just like good juice. I just would like the claims to be verifiable somehow.

 

[popsec]

I figured I'd weigh in on this, since I have answered similar questions regarding the "source" of our component ingredients a number of times. Here is a recent response to a typical customer's question ->

"Are the ingredients you use manufactured in the United States?"

That's a good, but also incredibly complex, question. Sadly, that means you should prepare yourself for a rather longwinded response.

The honest and simplest answer is probably "no." Let me explain:

All our e-Liquid ingredients and packaging components are purchased from US companies. However, whether these are "manufactured" in the US is not practically knowable. For example, though we have US lab reports (certificates of analysis) for the vegetable glycerine we use, we only purchase it in 5-55 gallon sizes and not by the tanker (maybe when the business grows... I can dream). Thus, by the time it gets to us from our wholesale supplier it has passed through a number of hands including the original manufacturer, a broker, and at least one company (more likely, there were a few) who parceled it out for resale. So, for chemicals, it is near impossible to work in reverse to determine the locations where they were originally extracted, synthesized, or distilled - and that's not even inquiring into the source of the precursor materials from which the chemicals were derived.

One important thing to remember is this: No (smart) supplier will willingly divulge where it purchases the product it sells - if it did, customers (like us) could cut out the middlemen and save money. (I actually have practical experience with this: Our old nicotine supplier was a massive multinational corporation that is used by many large companies and research institutions in the U.S. Unfortunately, when they sent our order one time, they neglected to remove some handling information from the (U.S.) company where they had purchased the nicotine. Needless to say, we now pay one fifth of what we used to pay for the exact same chemical from the exact same source with the exact same certificate of analysis - it's just a little fresher as it has spent less time traveling between warehouses and labs).

Similarly, we purchase flavorings from US companies that "make" the flavoring in the US. However, a typical flavoring may be made up of alcohol, water, and a chemical that gives artificial flavor and all of those ingredients could have originated (in a similar manner as the glycerine) abroad. In fact, the only original manufacturer we deal with is the one who creates the pipettes that go into the droppers - but we still don't know the origin of the glass they use (or the silica and other chemicals used to make the glass).

So I guess it comes down to this: We can only guarantee that everything we use in crafting our e-Liquid comes to us from a U.S. source and that none of the money we spend to create our liquids goes to a foreign entity. Given the nature of trade these days, it is, practically speaking, the best we can do.

So, that's my take. If some person or corporation claims they can account for the ultimate origin of every ingredient in their e-liquid, I would question their veracity. ~~Adam

 

[ZERO]

Great Thread!How about NHaler and Liquid Express?

 

[georgiasl]

Ms.T mixes/makes her own liquid

 

[aubergine]

Do we know more re ms t's?

 

[Guineahill]

Most liquids are relatively inexpensive... I don't worry too much about where they come from as long as the source I'm purchasing from is reputable. If I like the liquid, I order more. If I don't, well... I don't.

I have a couple of base liquids that I use to test a new supplier or brand. For example, I always order a cappuccino or coffee flavor. I might also try a Toffee, Caramel, Vanilla, or Chocolate. Those are notoriously difficult to create well. In any case, if the those flavors don't have enough appeal for me, then I don't bother ordering anything else.

 

[crashinbrn]

(hope I don't get in trouble for "advertising outside my supplier's forum" but I like the concept of this thread - Sorry Lu)

i hope you dont either, but i dont really see a sales pitch from you either. if other suppliers could come here to add to the data being gathered without a sales pitch i see no problem at all. i can understand the reasoning for the rules. but i dont think i would have any influence on those rules. thx for your input tho very much.

 

[MacDiver]

Litecig now has Rath juices. Electronicstix has them too.

 

[OutWest]

Just came across this thread, so thought I'd add my info:

AlternaSmokes - Dekang (aka Boge). Some are their own recipes, some are custom blends that I've had them make for me. Also, I and others try to test every batch to make sure theyre up to par and not screwed up (I test flavors I like and send out some to some other people that like the flavors I dont like - I.e. I dont care for any tobacco flavors, I'm more of a fruit flavor person)

I do not rebottle, but I do replace their labels with my custom printed labels. I mainly do this for a few reasons: some flavors I rename "I.e. I rename their Coca Cola to "Cola" and their Marlboro to "USA Blend" because of trademark issues; I add the skull and crossbones thing as a warning to kids that it's not safe to drink (I remember as a small child that if you saw that on a product, you absolutely do NOT touch it); I add my biz name to it so folks can remember; and the plastic, lazer printed labels I use dont get their printing smeared when wet (unlike the factory version of labels). Admittedly, I sometimes get behind when packing for shipping (the mail carrier comes by around 10am) and skip the relabeling (esp. when I'm out of that particular label and the computer is having probs - choking, etc), but for the most part I relabel for the reasons stated above.

 

[whiskey]

I'd say your quest is impossible, but I wish you luck and hope to gain the benefit of your efforts.



Edit: And to expand on that, nobody really knows what any vendor does to make thier juice.
Edit: You have one heck of a task on your hands to find out though!

Yes I Agree..You Have To Go By What They All Tell You,,& Never Really Know If They Cut It Or What They Do With It Once They Have It..I Pick Reputable Places As Best I Can...We Are At Their Mercy

 

[vapingboy]

I love this thread! I'm a newb and just started vaping about 1 week ago; and I agree with that that perfumey sickly sweet taste that most of us are tasting (seems some more then others). I actually started a thread about this in the Newbie section.

And I'm to a point of getting very annoyed by this taste because I do taste it in all the juices that I have tried to date. And I firmly believe it's the Dekang base that has this taste.

Here is what I have tried so far:

Cignot - 555 and DK-Tab. This is their PG version. I'll ask terri tomorrow if this is Dekang but it sure tastes like it.
nHaler - 555 and Kent. Same taste.
LiteCig - Turkish and Kent - Same taste.
Vapor Talk Forum - Dulcis - Same taste.

So, when I came across this thread I was really excited to see someone compiling a list, because the next set of juice I want to buy, I want to make sure it's NOT Dekang. I actually have an order out for JCs and also Halo. They are out of the Freedom and most other flavors, so I just ordered their Smooth 8. hey I'm desparate!

But it looks like OP has abandoned the thread..... as I don't see a post from him/her in quite some time.

If everyone is OK and if OP doesn't respond, I'll be willing to do the compilation going forward.

What do you guys think ?