Wanting to move away from filler cartos. Suggestions?

[Katatonik]

So I've been using LR standard cartos pretty consistently throughout my vaping. I couldn't handle ato+carts. Dripping is fun but inconsistent. I did try gotvapes ce2's about a year ago. I had some standard problems--leaking, plastic breaking, problems filling, wick problems, etc. But overall, when it worked, I really liked it.
Since GV has about 40 million different selections, I was wondering if people could suggest any one or two things (I am on a budget).

My setup:
-3.7 v standard eGo
-18 or higher mg Nic
-Mostly fruit liquids, mostly 50/50.

Things I'm looking for:
1. Longevity. My carto's now are brilliant tasting for 3 days and then plummet quickly after.
I want a carto--if it's at all possible--that can push at least 1.5 full weeks of amazing taste (lasting well more than that would be amazing).
How long do these top coil wick systems last? All of my gen 1 ce2's have broken or have been misplaced. But from what I remember they had decent longevity.
How long until the wick burns up or the coil dies out?

2. Vapor/TH/Loose Draw
I've been vaping on LR for a year. I'm pretty used to great vapor production on <2.5 ohm. I know GV has some products around that area, but I was wondering if any body knows how it compares to a standard lr carto. I remember when I bought gen 1 ce2's that the vapor production and TH was a little on the weaker side.
Also, again, the common complaint of the ce2's was wicking--it'd taste great for 4 quick hits, but then you'd have to hang it upside down for 3 sec for it to fix itself. Do the new products work significantly better? Are there any bottom coil ones that work better?
I like loose a draw. I use a drip tip on my cartos.

3. Durability
From what I can tell, the cheap plastic from gen 1 ce2's has been done away with. So I suspect that this is not so much of an issue anymore. But I do want something that won't break while I'm putting it back together or pulling it apart. Also, one of the main sources of irritation from ce2's was when I was putting the carto on and off the batt, I would pull the plastic off the bottom and juice would spill all over the place--it also destroyed some of the wiring.
Like I said, I think the new products look like this isn't so much of an issue now.

4. User friendly
As a common complaint of the ce2's, it's a ..... to get a syringe to fill it up, and none of my bottles come with those special tops. So when I was working the ce2's I just carried a paper clip around with me and popped the inner cap off, dripped my juice in like normal, and then put the inner cap back on. A pain in the ....

I'm not really looking for anything complex and most of the products on GV, from what I can tell, look like they're comparable to one another--just minor tweaks or setup.

What I've been considering:
-The vision stone II.
-micromizer
-stardust
But open to other suggestions.

How long do these last?
How well is the wicking/vapor production?
How much of a pain in the ... are they to work?
Any clear front runner?

 

[Briar]

Can't advise you on Stone, since I don't have one. There is a looooong thread on those, and I advise you to read it before you buy.

A comparable product, size-wise, if Vision Grande. It's pretty fiddle-free and complaint-free, but it does require a special tip or a syringe to fill.

Fuxomizer: unbreakable tubes that don't, ever, leak; can be taken off easily for cleaning; very long life, some lasts for a month, some of mine lasted for three months; good wicking with a simple mod, you do need to tilt (not turn upside down) on the second half of the tank; can chain vape the first half; good vapor, good taste, certainly compatible to standard Boge LRs; needs a special tip or a syringe to fill.

Visions Extreme: no fiddling needed; almost never leak and tubes don't break or come off; huge amount of vapor and good taste; not sure how long they last for most people, but I have yet to lose one - but I rotate a lot. Should certainly last for a couple of weeks, I think; for smaller size ones (Nano, Micro Stretch, Regular and Mini) no need to tilt by and and large as they wick very well; needs a special tip or a syringe to fill.

Stardust: no fiddling needed; strong construction; amazing taste and vapor; don't leak; excellent wicking, though you have to hold them a little differently from other clearos - sort of horizontal-ish; don't need a syringe to fill.

Micromizers: have no idea; they just showed up.

P.S.: We've come a loooooong way, baby. (I think I just dated myself...)

 

[badkolo]

this is only the begining, in 3 months or so, on a nice warm day, we just might reveal 5 new carto lines in 1 day,

and soon for the filler people we will introduce the nex generation cartomizers with 70% less filler and the innards are nothing like we have seen yet. also hold triple the fluid in the same space. yes its amazing.

 

[BonnyC]

Stone tanks seem to be sort of a gamble right now. Some folks are having issues, some aren't. I have one and while I had issues, I've managed to deal with most of them. That being said, the Stone has been put aside for the Vision Extreme I got earlier this week. Mine's a micro stretch but my hubby has the regular. His is still performing great and its been over a week. Mine vapes very nicely. Doesn't compare to the Stone II in vapor, but it's still quite a bit better than any carto I've ever tried.

I do *not* need a syringe or special tip to fill my stretch or my husband's regular. However, it does make it easier. I've just been pulling out the silicone cup and dripping down the side carefully as everything is very close together in mine. His is even easier. Still, I've opted to use a syringe just to make things a bit simpler.

I can't speak for any of their other products yet, but I have more arriving today. I can say that I would recommend the visions even to a brand new vaper as they are extremely high quality and ready to rock as soon as they arrive in my mailbox. They have a good variety of ohm choices, too, so that should suit you. Plus they're not expensive at all. My micro stretch was like 3 bucks. I can probably get a month out of this thing, but I have backups on the way.

For the price and the quality, I say pick out a vision extreme and see how you like it. Grab a couple different sizes since its so cheap!

 

[tidegirl]

+1 for the vision extremes- they rock!

I broke my stone right out of the box because I didn't know that they needed to be attached to the battery when filling them, putting dt back on, etc., so I can't advise on that until they get the replacement innards in stock. This is true of all the clearos, FYI.

 

[vapspaz]

this is only the beginning, in 3 months or so, on a nice warm day, we just might reveal 5 new carto lines in 1 day,

and soon for the filler people we will introduce the nex generation cartomizers with 70% less filler and the innards are nothing like we have seen yet. also hold triple the fluid in the same space. yes its amazing.

These are the kind of statements that have kept me stalking GV since BEFORE the first few hours they opened their doors to the public long long ago. LOL

And yet another reason to wish this winter would end. If you could call it a winter.

Damn it boy.

 

[badkolo]

and i think ive kept my word time and time again. hopefully i have, i know things take long but we have been dropping new stuff ever since we opened consistently. right? lolol

the vaping world has changed so much in 2010 and 2011, it amazes me

 

[vapspaz]

True that. And what amazes me is there are a lot of folks that still just drip! I haven't been able to figure that one out yet. I guess maybe it's a purest thing. lol

On a constructive criticism note. I would like to ask that you and Dan make it your 2012 goal to stay in stock ALWAYS on your top sellers. Surely you guys now have the capital to place multiple consecutive orders such that once you receive a shipment you place another order (or before). Of course you already know what a PITA the CNY is for 2 years now so maybe you can plan better next year to prevent the kind of delays your seeing now.

I know that's easier said than done due to all the new products you guys are releasing all the time and you don't know how the latest gizmo is going to sell until you get them in the first time. But I'm talking about your known big sellers such as the Visions, Fluxo's and now the Stardust. IMHO When it comes to hardware you guys are the leaders in the industry. But the one thing that the industry needs in a very very bad way is a supplier that always has things in stock. Think about it. That is the most common complaint you and all the other suppliers must hear about every single day. And if there is one supplier out there that can change that it's you guys at GV. You guys have kicked the chit out of the new products to market first thing. What we all need now is a place to reliably order the stuff from and not have to go into panic ordering.

Again... just some constructive criticism from one of your long term happy customers.

 

[badkolo]

i hear ya and we will work on that for sure, its a difficult line to work out sometimes but will do on the main stay products.

 

[vapspaz]

From all of us I'm sure. THANK YOU!

 

[Mikey3]

But Bad... Its a warm sunny day today haha cannot wait to see whats coming up! Have any plans on triple coil cartos or passing them up?


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[badkolo]

triple coils we will stay away from for now, its more of a gimmick at this point but we will see what the future holds.

 

[Mikey3]

Usually with Gotvapes the future holds great thing cantwait


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[antfuzz]

Katatonik

Things I'm looking for:
1. Longevity. My carto's now are brilliant tasting for 3 days and then plummet quickly after.
I want a carto--if it's at all possible--that can push at least 1.5 full weeks of amazing taste (lasting well more than that would be amazing).

In my opinion I don't think you'll find a cartomizer with a coil that will last a week and a half without having the need to be cleaned, especially if you vape sweet juices.

The vision line of cartomizers in my opinion are the easiest to fill and clean. You will get that nice fresh flavor once again after it's been cleaned.

My suggestion would be to try out a few of each cartomizer available from GV.

 

[Katatonik]

Can't advise you on Stone, since I don't have one. There is a looooong thread on those, and I advise you to read it before you buy.

Yeah. My main interest in those is the longevity, and since their new I suspect most people don't know the exact length.
I know badkolo says they're built to last. But how long? That is what I'm most curious about. Weeks, months, years? (lol)

A comparable product, size-wise, if Vision Grande. It's pretty fiddle-free and complaint-free, but it does require a special tip or a syringe to fill.

Size is not as much of an issue. Sure it's great. But I'd probably buy a tank for at home and use a more normal looking carto when I'm out and about--why I'm thinking of the micro and stardust. The stone just looks like a simple system that works. I don't think that the Grande 4 wicking system offers anything fantastical, compared to the stone's thicker coil. It looks like more of a gimmick to me.

Fuxomizer: unbreakable tubes that don't, ever, leak; can be taken off easily for cleaning; very long life, some lasts for a month, some of mine lasted for three months; good wicking with a simple mod, you do need to tilt (not turn upside down) on the second half of the tank; can chain vape the first half; good vapor, good taste, certainly compatible to standard Boge LRs; needs a special tip or a syringe to fill.

I know that the tubes are unbreakable now, but how is the performance compared to the gen 1s? More vapor, better wicking, longevity, etc?

Visions Extreme: no fiddling needed; almost never leak and tubes don't break or come off; huge amount of vapor and good taste; not sure how long they last for most people, but I have yet to lose one - but I rotate a lot. Should certainly last for a couple of weeks, I think; for smaller size ones (Nano, Micro Stretch, Regular and Mini) no need to tilt by and and large as they wick very well; needs a special tip or a syringe to fill.

How does the Extreme measure up to fluxomizers? It appears to be the same system, with maybe fatter wicks (based on the description).

Stardust: no fiddling needed; strong construction; amazing taste and vapor; don't leak; excellent wicking, though you have to hold them a little differently from other clearos - sort of horizontal-ish; don't need a syringe to fill.

Any ideas on longevity?

Micromizers: have no idea; they just showed up.

I know they're new, but any predictions on longevity? I don't know how bottom coil vs top coil compares, in addition to lower ohms.

Thanks, for your reply.
Also I don't expect YOU to know the answers all of these questions, I'm hoping someone else does, though.

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In my opinion I don't think you'll find a cartomizer with a coil that will last a week and a half without having the need to be cleaned, especially if you vape sweet juices.

That's one of the benefits of the non filler cartos, they can actually be cleaned reasonably well. I have no issue with running it through water, dip it in some PGA, dry burn it, fill 'er up and resume vaping.

You really can't clean a filler well. Once it starts to go bad, you can clean it and get another 2 days out of it, but then it's done for. Also you can't try dry burning a filler, you'll kill it and get a mouth full of the most horrible of acrid smokes when you try to fill it up.

 

[badkolo]

they are meant to last for weeks and on, when you break down the price wise per week it lowers the overall cost considerably

like a 5 dollar stardust, if it lasts 3 weeks thats less then 40 cents a day etc...

 

[burns_erin]

Yeah. My main interest in those is the longevity, and since their new I suspect most people don't know the exact length.
I know badkolo says they're built to last. But how long? That is what I'm most curious about. Weeks, months, years? (lol)


Size is not as much of an issue. Sure it's great. But I'd probably buy a tank for at home and use a more normal looking carto when I'm out and about--why I'm thinking of the micro and stardust. The stone just looks like a simple system that works. I don't think that the Grande 4 wicking system offers anything fantastical, compared to the stone's thicker coil. It looks like more of a gimmick to me.

Actually, the four wick thing seems to do more than you would think. Plus, the plug seal is VASTLY different. It requires a needle to fill but so far nary a drop of leaking nor excess condensation in the mouth piece.


I know that the tubes are unbreakable now, but how is the performance compared to the gen 1s? More vapor, better wicking, longevity, etc?

New fluxos, IMO wick better. I still run into the probem that I scorch wicks when dry burning, but that is MY failing, and not a common one at all. Still requires modding of the plugs or a switch to the conversion kit pieces.


How does the Extreme measure up to fluxomizers? It appears to be the same system, with maybe fatter wicks (based on the description).

They taste different, feel different, plug system is different. Personally, my absolute favorite of the bunch, is mini's followed by microstretches/nanos, for the more "reasonably sized ones.


Any ideas on longevity?

I got first batch stardusts and my first is still going everyday. I got a first gen stone and it is still going strong as well. So more than a month. BUT I did have to clean them each a couple of times.


I know they're new, but any predictions on longevity? I don't know how bottom coil vs top coil compares, in addition to lower ohms.

Thanks, for your reply.
Also I don't expect YOU to know the answers all of these questions, I'm hoping someone else does, though.

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That's one of the benefits of the non filler cartos, they can actually be cleaned reasonably well. I have no issue with running it through water, dip it in some PGA, dry burn it, fill 'er up and resume vaping.

You really can't clean a filler well. Once it starts to go bad, you can clean it and get another 2 days out of it, but then it's done for. Also you can't try dry burning a filler, you'll kill it and get a mouth full of the most horrible of acrid smokes when you try to fill it up.

See above answers in red because adding my own quote stuff in is awkward for me.

 

[teslastick]

Just buy one of each and see what you like best.

 

[Mikey3]

Just buy one of each and see what you like best.

Lol exactly what i just did with the Grande and Stone II


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[robl45]

if you want trouble free, switch to juice that isn't sweet and use a vision regular 1.5ml. the only issue you should have is the top popping off. those have the good vent system that doesn't flood your battery.

I would stay away from stones for now, too much inconsistency. the newest ce2s have issues with dry vapes. you would have to mod them. the vision giants are pretty cool but they can end up gurgling. I never had good luck with the higher ohm ones only the low ohm version that gotvapes doesn't sell,.