LOL yeah. There's no way to tell if a minor is buying these things! DAMN I should have known about this when I was 16...
Warning: Johnson creek e-liquid
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LOL yeah. There's no way to tell if a minor is buying these things! DAMN I should have known about this when I was 16...
I think it's a good thing for us to prepare our sellers for future regulation. If they listen to some of our suggestions and take preparatory measures we may even be allowed to continue to vapourise nicotine when the authorities finally assess the situation.
Pillbox is doing this with his Wicked range. He's getting ready for restrictions by printing labels with ingredient lists and hazard warnings. He's looking into using child safe bottle caps. He's also had lab tests carried out on his juice and shared the results with us. That's the way forward for eliquid sellers, they should be doing it voluntarily before they are forced by regulations or, worse, banned from selling it at all.
I don't like to generalise about Chinese products, like all societies there are principled people as well as unprincipled. The companies we deal with can be assessed on things like reputation, reliability, disclosure, investment in research, etc. We can check with companies like Janty because they are prepared to engage with us and disclose certain information. If we wanted to we could also check their claims about European approvals and lab tests. Ruyan have commissioned clinical trials in New Zealand, to me that gives them added credibility too. Compare them with ecig.com and you get the message, they all need to be judged on an individual basis, treat all with caution, check facts if necessary ... decent suppliers are more likely to provide an ethical service.
Pillbox is doing this with his Wicked range. He's getting ready for restrictions by printing labels with ingredient lists and hazard warnings. He's looking into using child safe bottle caps. He's also had lab tests carried out on his juice and shared the results with us. That's the way forward for eliquid sellers, they should be doing it voluntarily before they are forced by regulations or, worse, banned from selling it at all.
I don't like to generalise about Chinese products, like all societies there are principled people as well as unprincipled. The companies we deal with can be assessed on things like reputation, reliability, disclosure, investment in research, etc. We can check with companies like Janty because they are prepared to engage with us and disclose certain information. If we wanted to we could also check their claims about European approvals and lab tests. Ruyan have commissioned clinical trials in New Zealand, to me that gives them added credibility too. Compare them with ecig.com and you get the message, they all need to be judged on an individual basis, treat all with caution, check facts if necessary ... decent suppliers are more likely to provide an ethical service.
I plan on giving JC another shot sometime after Monday when they change their formula. I have a question, though. I'm not clear on the PG vs. the non-PG. I guess that I'm a bit concerned about the harmful effects of inhaling PG...although I'm not sure why I feel that way. I didn't think much at all of inhaling real cigs for years! (And they have a lot more harmful stuff!) Anyway, what would be the difference in the two? Would the non-PG vape just as well as the PG? Any clarification would be appreciated!
Thanks Kate!
Some of this thread was bordering on blatant racism, even if that was not the intention of the posters. I'd be happy if my fellow forum members would not try to go to gross generalization of entire nations and by extension ethnicities. Nearly every company in every country will try to cut corners, that's the way it is; going for the cheapest route.
Some of this thread was bordering on blatant racism, even if that was not the intention of the posters. I'd be happy if my fellow forum members would not try to go to gross generalization of entire nations and by extension ethnicities. Nearly every company in every country will try to cut corners, that's the way it is; going for the cheapest route.
call it racism if you must, but find me another country that CONTINUALLY puts people and their beloved pets at risk with the garbage they put in consumables. not only consumables but childrens toys. my wife is chinese so in no way am i racist, i am a realist.
well i didnt think it would but 1 of my 901 atomizers is virtually dead and another one is on it's last legs , these are the 2 that i have been using with JC juice topping off carts , my third atomizer is fine , only been using regular carts with that one. bearing in mind these 2 atomizers had not a great deal of use but still they've succomed.
still they are both under 30days old so hopefully i should get replacements.
I'm also seeing if i can return the remaining JC juice.
Shame because it tastes lovely..
still they are both under 30days old so hopefully i should get replacements.
I'm also seeing if i can return the remaining JC juice.
Shame because it tastes lovely..
While i'd be more than willing to have a discussion on stages of economic development and neo-liberal imperialism, I guess this isn't the place to discuss it.
Peeps,
Let's leave race, color and religion out of this forum. We are here to help each other for better living experience and I think this was the original Electronic Cigarette concept.
To live, a healthier life.
Let's leave race, color and religion out of this forum. We are here to help each other for better living experience and I think this was the original Electronic Cigarette concept.
To live, a healthier life.
Re Johnson Creek, for reference. There is another thread about this here - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/2264-wierd-reaction-jc-liquid.html Some people have reported numbness in their mouths when vaping with JC. One of them confirmed that it wasn't because of getting eliquid in their mouth. Chocolate Almond and Arctic Mint are among possible flavours causing this and it includes both propylene and non-pg recipes.
Think people were talking about the country, and some of thier relaxed regulations. I wasnt understanding anything against the people them selfs.
Also, to Kate, Alcohol Can numb the toung/mouth as well. Depending the amount and type used, its possible, because i think there is some in all the juices.
I didnt read that thread, so that may have been mentioned.
I just thought of something, (not counting any sedament on the bottom of the bottles), I wonder if it seperates while it sits, and they are getting more alcohol, it would float to the top or bottom depending, just a thought.
Also, to Kate, Alcohol Can numb the toung/mouth as well. Depending the amount and type used, its possible, because i think there is some in all the juices.
I didnt read that thread, so that may have been mentioned.
I just thought of something, (not counting any sedament on the bottom of the bottles), I wonder if it seperates while it sits, and they are getting more alcohol, it would float to the top or bottom depending, just a thought.
Esmokey- there was no mention of race color or ehtnicity at all- it is generally correctly understood that China is lax on health inspections, and that was ALL that anyone was refering to- NOT to people's race color or ethnicity or even makign hte claims that ALL of China is like that- We fully understand that there are completely ethical companies and peopel in China- We're all smart enough to figure that all out ourselves and aren't so challenged that we can't distinguish what peopel mean when they make genralized statements- Comments made about unethical business practices from past Chinese companies in no way is an endictment on the whole nation of China
BUT not every company has as horrible a tack record as China does, and keepign quiet abotu that fact is no way to keep informed or to inform others of inherrent dangers from a country known to be severely lax in their health inspections- Whiel they ARE making strides to correct this, the fact is that they are still woefully innadequate in this department- these are facts- these are NOT racist comments, ethnic predjudices OR any other form of biggotry- they are cold hard facts palin and simple- those reading anythign else into the statemrnts are3 dojg so unjustly and condemning those hwo made thgeir statements for soemthign they simply are not guilty of.
I think there are very, very few people on this forum who would deliberately be racist or offensive.
What might be happening here is us having difficulties communicating our concerns in written form on the internet. It's not as easy as telling someone face to face what worries you. I don't think any of us on this thread have been malicious in our intent so it would be good if we could temper our feelings and try to understand other perspectives. Genuine worries should have somewhere to be expressed. Most of us try not to be controversial when we do that.
The majority of people on this forum want to share a comfortable community space with like-minded (at least as far as esmoking goes) individuals. Although it's usually good to challenge prejudice, sometimes it's more important to focus on intentions.
Mother Superior over and out.
What might be happening here is us having difficulties communicating our concerns in written form on the internet. It's not as easy as telling someone face to face what worries you. I don't think any of us on this thread have been malicious in our intent so it would be good if we could temper our feelings and try to understand other perspectives. Genuine worries should have somewhere to be expressed. Most of us try not to be controversial when we do that.
The majority of people on this forum want to share a comfortable community space with like-minded (at least as far as esmoking goes) individuals. Although it's usually good to challenge prejudice, sometimes it's more important to focus on intentions.
Mother Superior over and out.
Let's not turn this thread into something it's not please and try to get it back on track.
this thread seems to be about the fact we are all buying into the unknown..
the chinese unknown and for some of us the home brewed unknown..
what i do find odd is how some people bought into the home brewed unknown so easily and now seem to be having second thoughts..
first its clogged atomizers now its turned into a possible health risk.. so far we seem to have the choice between "made in america" but home brewed or lab tested by the dodgey untrustworthy chinese..
can the chinese (in general) be trusted to sell us good safe reliable products.. no they cant and if some silly people think this is a racial slur.. perhaps it is.. but its the truth..
the answer to this is simple.. dont buy chinese products or home brewed liquid..
not many will see this but the real racial slur was the fact that some people would choose home brew made in america liquid over lab tested chinese liquid in the first place..
trog
the chinese unknown and for some of us the home brewed unknown..
what i do find odd is how some people bought into the home brewed unknown so easily and now seem to be having second thoughts..
first its clogged atomizers now its turned into a possible health risk.. so far we seem to have the choice between "made in america" but home brewed or lab tested by the dodgey untrustworthy chinese..
can the chinese (in general) be trusted to sell us good safe reliable products.. no they cant and if some silly people think this is a racial slur.. perhaps it is.. but its the truth..
the answer to this is simple.. dont buy chinese products or home brewed liquid..
not many will see this but the real racial slur was the fact that some people would choose home brew made in america liquid over lab tested chinese liquid in the first place..
trog
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