WARNING: Redundancy; FA meringue and fresh cream: AP or Acetoin? Chem Analysis anywhere?

[dammit95060]

Can anyone lead me to a chemical analysis (or something similar - manufacturer feedback - ?) of fresh cream and meringue by FA? Or of FA's reputation on this subject in general. They say themselves (meaning by the company) to not contain diacetyl. To me that means they most likely contain AP and/or
Acetoin. BTW: I'm not exactly paranoid about these chemicals; it's a love/hate relationship w/what I read. One pressing article being the Mt Baker one about tobacco containing more diacetyl..... blah anyways. Point being I want to know. Thank you for all your help.

 

[Dixie1954]

The best way to find out is to contact the makers of Flavour Art >>> Supporto e Informazioni - Supporto e Informazioni Risultati della Ricerca - FlavourArt - La sartoria degli aromi hope this helps.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Thank you for the topic!! I've often wondered this myself, and asked around to a few FA users also, no luck finding any real info though, only "Trust FA, why would they lie" same as other vendors whom we now know to be less than honest.

I know FA used to have the Clearstream project up, but now the website for that is down too. I believe that was only looking into cell toxicity and vaping flavorings, and possibly diacetyl concerns, I can't remember for sure.

No where do I see lab results from FA on their flavorings in regards to Diacetyl, Acetoin or acetyl propionyl / 2,3-pentanedione. Everyone simply passes info along as fact they that are free of all three of these ketones.

I do believe they are free of diacetyl due to their separate kitchen and vaping lines, but it would be nice to see lab reports showing this, which many vapors try to demand from other vendors.

They have a lot of creams, and I don't see how those are possible without Acetoin or acetyl propionyl/ 2,3-pentanedione

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Up there!! @ FA fans, where's the lab reports showing NO diketones (Acetoin or acetyl propionyl/ 2,3-pentanedione) from FA?

 

[Hoosier]

Fresh Cream and Meringue are both in the Kitchen Magic section of the FA website.

Meaning they likely contain substances that some folks avoid vaping so they aren't in the Vaping section and would have no analysis.

I just went to the Flavour Art (it) website and looked them up. I vape the Kitchen and Vaping line and don't really give a flying fig.

Us "FA fans" and "TFA fans" use the FA and TFA sites for the latest information. FA separated Vaping from Kitchen when the first hints of the first wave of diacetyl concerns popped up and TFA started putting notes on flavorings too.

If these things are a concern, go to the manufacturer's website. If FA has it in the Kitchen line, there is a reason. If TFA has a note about it, there is a reason.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

So no published lab reports that you know of either Hoosier?

Many pass along "FA IS diketone free / no Acetoin or acetyl propionyl / 2,3-pentanedione" as fact for the vaping line too, yet no one ever questions this, I'd like to see reports or at minimal some published information on their site about it (not diacetyl only)

No information on this at their site, only diacetyl info via kitchen/vaping line as you mentioned

 

[Racehorse]

I just went to the Flavour Art (it) website and looked them up. I vape the Kitchen and Vaping line

What am I missing? When I go to their site, all the flavorings are under the kitchen line.

Under the ecig line all I see are :

• Heaven Juice
• Electronic cigarette kit
• SoHo

No flavorings just their ejuice brand. All the flavorings are under the kitchen line?

 

[squee]

What am I missing? When I go to their site, all the flavorings are under the kitchen line.

They used to be separate lines but then Italy passed a law taxing items related to/for vaping - so FA put everything under the 'kitchen line' to avoid charging people the new tax If you look at the individual flavors, they do specify the ones not for vaping.

Also, if I remember correctly, they tested for D and A/P and the ecig line was free of those. I don't think Acetoin was an issue back then. I could be wrong on that though

 

[Hoosier]

Sorry, I've been mixing for over 5 years. Things change that I may not notice after I did my research. FA's site used to have analyses and separate vaping and kitchen lines.

Did Maxx take that down to avoid taxation? If Italy started taking vape stuff and not food stuff, I'd yank everything that tied my product to the new tax, but I have no idea what happened at FA's site or what Maxx did with the data.

(Yes, back in the prehistoric period of DIY we knew the folks that sold us stuff because we had conversations with them. Many things have changed since I started this hobby. The constant of government regulating in the name of safety actually creating less safety and more ignorance remains though and I'll never doubt that as it has happened too many times on too many subject for me to see it ever changing.)

 

[Rsunderl]

As someone else suggested, ask the manufacturer. If they have the data, and are willing toshare it, then you know. It will also give more of an indication of whether or not to trust them. Asking third parties, such as people in a vaping forum only shows that you may already have a pre-conceived mistrust, but still won't give you any better information than can be had by asking the source.

 

[crxess]

Still wondering if it is the Diketones or the Microwave we need to fear

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

To me this says only one thing, the continued lack of info means the obvious (Not diketone free as purported by the masses). Creamy flavors are all made in similar ways, with the obvious Acetoin or acetyl propionyl / 2,3-pentanedione.

Sure Butyric acid may be used sometimes, but to get heavy creamy it's noticeable to users, and lack of provided info saying this is used instead says the obvious as well.

If FA had this info publicly available to users, or privately by request, the community would have it posted, stickied, and linked.

 

[Hoosier]

I never saw any creamy, milk, or buttery flavorings in the vaping line.

So yes, if you want to avoid the D's, stay away from stuff that derives its natural taste from those compounds.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Here's just a few that, to me, would all be suspect of containing at least Acetoin or acetyl propionyl / 2,3-pentanedione, until I see laboratory results stating otherwise. Cookie, Custard, Tiramisu, Cappuccino, Irish Cream, Torrone, Meringue, Vienna cream, Catalan Cream, Vanilla Classic, Vanilla Tahiti, and Vanilla Bourbon

And of course FA Fresh Cream, which I know is in the kitchen line, but this is touted by FA enthusiast as being a must have DIY staple, while in the same sentence where they also often mention FA being diketone free

The main issue for me is that so many fans of FA always state FA is 100% diketone free, but there is never any lab reports shown or testing results linked to users when these statements are given.

I'm not bashing FA in anyway, or fans of FA flavorings, I simply want to see these reports/statements from FA that make these users know FA is diketone free as constantly stated

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Looks like HIC posted FA's lab report site, finally thank you HIC!! Odd that this website isn't posted in large bold letters on FA's site? Seems their creamy comes from Acetoin and probably other components of banana and coconut flavor molecules since those can be creamy too

Everything I checked (Even fresh cream and condensed milk, *asterisk* for yogurt) is under the LOD for Diacetyl and AP, limit of detection is 1.13 ug/mL for 'Diacetyl' and 1.22 ug/mL for '2,3-Pentanedione', but no tests for Acetoin for those concerned about that one.

Thanks again for posting that HIC, now the question is why is it not visible as a huge banner on either of FA's main sites (not in blogs or news either), and doesn't use their domains? I see the whois registrant info is tied to a graphics designer in Canada, not FA

flavourartnaflavourreports.com

 

[Hoosier]

Being an FA fan, but never stating they we all D-free, I just saw the press release by FA and popped over.....

Only to find someone else had posted the link....

I do miss the old caramel flavoring before it was reformulated to it's current version. Bet that puppy would have lit up the testing equipment. Made you pick your teeth with your tongue trying to get the sticky bits out with every vape.