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Perhaps you might have ignored the guy who brought it up and focused on the OP. I have a feeling a sub-ohm debate may have been a bit more than what to OP was curious about, otherwise he might have posted in the rba sub-forum.

I'll see your foolish and raise you an irrelevant.

ETA: Oh oops. I forgot a smiley again. ;)

Already answered the OP in full prior to the interjection. And for the record, you asked the question relating it to the wider vaping audience. I answered your question; to call me for answering the question YOU asked is jackassery.
 

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Already answered the OP in full prior to the interjection. And for the record, you asked the question relating it to the wider vaping audience. I answered your question; to call me for answering the question YOU asked is jackassery.

You forgot your smiley.
 

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Jes; I keed, I keed! ;)

But I did acquire it for a mere Ulysses S. Grant, since somebody on this forum won't give me one...

You didn't wait long enough. Any day now people will be throwing them out windows if all the references to "Outdated technology" are correct. ;-)
 

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Burnt taste in a fluid soaked coil

I call it the stove top pot principle

Take a metal pot, put water in it...set it on electric coils on a stove, turn it on high

Watch the coils...the coils NOT in contact with a heat wicking device (the pot and water) will glow red = very very hot, the part that does have the ability to push heat (induction) won't turn red (aka pushing heat into the pot and water), however the water in the pot will start to heat, as it heats closer to its boiling point it will start to boil (atomize) however if you put a thermometer in your water even at rolling boil the temperature will NOT climb above its boiling point, why...well the heat energy of the water is dissipated as steam (vapor) and the heat IN = heat out

You can continue to push heat to the pot until the water in the pot boils away, then watch as the heat in the coils below the now empty pot start to heat up to glowing (getting very very hot)

The coil in your tank/atomizer/whatever is the EXACT same principle only teeny tiny compared to the stove top

You heat the coils, if it were not for the e-juice absorbing the heat energy and boiling (vaporizing) the little coils would glow red, now the hotter you make those coils the FASTER it can turn the juice to vapor, but can the wicking material keep up with the rate the steam is going out (huge clouds of vapor = huge amounts of juice going poof, can your wick keep up)

What happens when your wick no longer can keep up with the vaporization, it heats up and starts glowing, when the temperature of that wire exceeds the caramelization temperature of your e-juice you get caramelization of the sugars and stuff in the e-juice, hotter still you get carbonization (aka the black sooty nasty burning of the juice)...and that tastes like a nice ol' charcoal briquette

480px-Sugar_Cubes_Stacked_and_Burned.jpg

Carmelization
 
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You might ask the guy who brought it up.

I brought it up merely to make the point that what works for some doesn't always work for others, nothing more, nothing less. But again, it seems we are at an impass, again. I'm not here to argue with people that are obviously more intelegent, and more knowlagable about vaping than I am.
I'll go back to my hole now.
 

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You didn't wait long enough. Any day now people will be throwing them out windows if all the references to "Outdated technology" are correct. ;-)

Sweet, I'll be waiting outside under their windows with a fishing net.

I never knocked ProVaris; just never wanted to spend the $160 to acquire one. But for $50 I was game.
 

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Burnt taste in a fluid soaked coil

I call it the stove top pot principle

Take a metal pot, put water in it...set it on electric coils on a stove, turn it on high

Watch the coils...the coils NOT in contact with a heat wicking device (the pot and water) will glow red = very very hot, the part that does have the ability to push heat (induction) won't turn red (aka pushing heat into the pot and water), however the water in the pot will start to heat, as it heats closer to its boiling point it will start to boil (atomize) however if you put a thermometer in your water even at rolling boil the temperature will NOT climb above its boiling point, why...well the heat energy of the water is dissipated as steam (vapor) and the heat IN = heat out

You can continue to push heat to the pot until the water in the pot boils away, then watch as the heat in the coils below the now empty pot start to heat up to glowing (getting very very hot)

The coil in your tank/atomizer/whatever is the EXACT same principle only teeny tiny compared to the stove top

You heat the coils, if it were not for the e-juice absorbing the heat energy and boiling (vaporizing) the little coils would glow red, now the hotter you make those coils the FASTER it can turn the juice to vapor, but can the wicking material keep up with the rate the steam is going out (huge clouds of vapor = huge amounts of juice going poof, can your wick keep up)

What happens when your wick no longer can keep up with the vaporization, it heats up and starts glowing, when the temperature of that wire exceeds the caramelization temperature of your e-juice you get caramelization of the sugars and stuff in the e-juice, hotter still you get carbonization (aka the black sooty nasty burning of the juice)...and that tastes like a nice ol' charcoal briquette

480px-Sugar_Cubes_Stacked_and_Burned.jpg

Carmelization

But that makes sense, we can't have that, you MUST be doing something wrong!
 

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Already answered the OP in full prior to the interjection. And for the record, you asked the question relating it to the wider vaping audience. I answered your question; to call me for answering the question YOU asked is jackassery.

Irksome might be a better word. :D
 
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Bottom line is there's a very slim chance the OP is actually burning their stuff at 5.5w and if they are they may need help with something. Or if they are confusing watts with volts, they may need a little explanation.

NO! Bottom line is taste is subjective, even if they perceive a taste of burnt juice, then it's burnt juice! This is what you can't seem to get! Trying to be nice.....
Taste is subjective and always will be!
 

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But that makes sense, we can't have that, you MUST be doing something wrong!

I try not to run my PV rig out in the realm of the "Lets cook it up sukka's" realm

I guess that is why I ride a cruiser...low and slow

But others like to go nyaaaa nyaaaa nyaaaa on their little ricers at 12K rpm

To each his own...

As someone else said they hate hearing "Whatever keeps you off the analogs" heheheh :p
 

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I'll type s l o w f o r y o u, O K?
Taste is subjective, yes, someone gets a juice and raves about it tasting like this or that then you try it and it tastes nothing like that to you.
Or the juice you just loved when you first started vaping, it was the best ever, then a month or so later it tastes like crap and never works for you again!
If someone even thinks a juice above a certain wattage, voltage, whatever, tastes burnt, then it will always taste burnt to them! Weather it's mental or not, it's subjective to them in that state!
I fail to see how this is so hard to understand, but I do have common sense.
 

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So I see everyone vaping at 8 and 10 watts but I can’t getto 6 watts before my juice tastes bad. I usually vape around 4 to 5 watts andeveryone tells me that is really low. I don’t know if i’m missing somethinglike flavor buy vaping so low or why I can get above 5.5 watts before my juicetaste chemically or burnt.
I have been vaping for 4 months and have tried alot ofdifferent gear. I have an evic, vamo v2 and a vamo v3. I have protanks and vivi’sI change the coils all the time and started to rebuild my own and they all giveme the same results. If it’s a 2ohm i am vaping around 4watts. What am i doingwrong?

Let's try this again.

Electronflow, if it tastes good, do it. If it doesn't, move the dial.
 
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