We are part of the problem.

[MrGreen]

I was at a restaurant (non smoking) and some guy started puffing on an e-cig. The waiter came over and the guy tried explaining it to him, then the manager came over and the guy was arguing with him about how he should be allowed to use it.
To me this is a real problem because most people dont understand the e-cig and business owners and managers are just going to get all worked up and annoyed by people who make a spectical out of it by vaping in public buildings and blowing it in peoples faces. These same buiseness owners are probably the ones calling up their congressman buddies and pushing for a ban!
I have never had the urge to vape while walking through walmart or while eating in a nice, smoke free restaurant. By doing so your just making unnecessary waves and speeding up the ban.
We all know that vaping isn't the same as smoking, but most people don't, so just be on the safe side, If its a non-smoking public place, then just don't vape. It's a small price to pay to potentially delay any further problems for us.

 

[Lab]

for me i always sat in non-smoking when i went out.. so no big deal i could wait.. now if i am sitting there for a long time stealth vape.. there is no need to blow a big vapor cloud.. i have been to a few places that say go for it but others as long as no one complains

 

[john doe]

The BIG mistake was when the guy started arguing. If he had just agreed not to vape and given the manager some resources such as this forum then there is the possibility that the next time he came in he would have been allowed to vape. Nothing wrong with trying to educate the manager but trying to force it down his throat makes for animosity and little desire to check the information for validity.

 

[sl1pg8r]

It's important to remember that while it's not illegal to do certain things, it's still important to not push your luck. I don't vape when a state trooper passes me on the highway. Not because I have something to hide. Because I don't feel like getting pulled over and having to explain myself and possibly have my hardware confiscated. I don't vape at my desk at werk. I don't vape there because I don't want to make the business I werk for have to create some kind of policy that could potentially cause me more trouble than benefit me. I don't hide the fact that I'm a vaper. I do think it's very important to be an example for others. Ask your waiter before you vape in a non-smoking restaurant. Be courteous. Be responsible. Be an example.

IMHO

- slip

 

[MrGreen]

Dont even get me started about those mall vendors who are apparently selling e-cigs and juice to minors. They are a huge problem for us! We should form an angry mob and go put them out of business.

 

[daisyd]

One reason I didn't jump right in to the vaping idea was the first time I heard of them was from a gal I work with. I told her I was quitting and she said "You're not going to get one of those ecigarette things all the people at the bar have so they can smoke inside are you?" When you leave a bad taste in someone's mouth, it passes on.

 

[VRubin]

Very true, and very good points.

OT, love you sig daisyd.. made me laugh

 

[v1John]

Dont even get me started about those mall vendors who are apparently selling e-cigs and juice to minors. They are a huge problem for us! We should form an angry mob and go put them out of business.

(My opinions: I think they need a fair trial, they are innocent until proven guilty. I have yet to see one sell an ecig to a 10 year-old. ... maybe some parents need attention.) And btw, SE and Njoy, as I understand it, are the only ones that I know of who are fighting at the federal level against the big pharma-tobacco-fda corruption. Whatever we are vaping these days, it is thanks to the SE-NJoy defense system combined with federal Judge Leon, who is very much in touch with reality.

 

[Shortstuff116]

You have to use discretion and just plain common sense. He was very wrong to even begin to argue with a manager/owner about his "right" to vape when asked not to. I don't know about all states, but here in MA and many others, the owner/manager has the right to ask you not to do something if they want to, then tell you not to, then call the police to escort you out if necessary. There are just some places where you don't want to vape because it looks like you are smoking and this causes problems. How many times do we read stories here about vapers who have asked for and received permission to vape in an establishment, but other patrons either complain because it looks like smoke, or light up a cig thinking that because you are smoking so can they.

For the most part (other than specific areas) there is no written law against vaping just about anywhere but why make waves? Sometimes I'm a long-time shopper and if I feel I need to vape then I'll simply stealth vape so that nothing is seen. I do not worry about getting pulled over at all. If I do, then I'll take the time to explain and demonstrate to hopefully educate the officer. I do ask permission in many places and if they rather I didn't vape then I simply won't.

We have to be positive and courteous and emulate the good about vaping in the right way. We're in a very important time and place as vapers and it's our duty to make sure that those who don't know about vaping get a good positive experience.

 

[5cardstud]

A manager or owner has a right to say what you can do in their place but some people just have to push it and all it does is turn people off to vaping. Then when it gets banned those will be the one crying the loudest. I respect people in their homes and businesses and if they say no then it's no.

 

[daisyd]

Very true, and very good points.

OT, love you sig daisyd.. made me laugh

That's what my sister told me when she gave it to me. She was right. lol

 

[justsomeguy]

The BIG mistake was when the guy started arguing.

Actually I would say the big mistake was when he started vaping without asking the manager about it first.

 

[wv2win]

The BIG mistake was when the guy started arguing. If he had just agreed not to vape and given the manager some resources such as this forum then there is the possibility that the next time he came in he would have been allowed to vape. Nothing wrong with trying to educate the manager but trying to force it down his throat makes for animosity and little desire to check the information for validity.

Good post and I agree. The OP pointed out that people do not understand what vaping is. Whose fault is that???? If you are going to act like what you are doing is bad, then it will be perceived that way. When people who vape act like it is dangerious, then it should be banned and will be. Be prepared to intelligently and respectfully defend your rights, or you will lose them.

 

[MrGreen]

I just think That everyone should be respectful and not vape in non smoking places unless they know it's allowed. I never hurts to ask.
In Businesses like stores and restaurants, it's not really about personal rights as much as it's about respecting the owners rules.
When Your around smokers though, always remember to spread the word. The more people converted the better.

 

[ChuckB]

I rarely smoked in restaurants before, so I've not seen the reason to vape in one yet. I don't like smoke around my food so feel that I should give the other people the same courtesy.

It's not illegal to clip your toenails in public, but I wouldn't want to share a table with someone doing it either.

 

[VapingRulz]

My husband doesn't smoke or vape and he runs a restaurant. He is fine with customers vaping - because he's educated about it and knows that they are not smoking. He does have a couple of steady customers who vape with their morning coffee. As far as I know, nobody has complained. If they did, and his explanation of what vaping is/is not fell on deaf ears, he would probably have to ask the vapers to take it outside.

I think the REAL problem is that the general public needs to be educated about e-cigs. Most of them are clueless.

 

[MrGreen]

Advertisements in mainstream media explaining its health benefits would probably help.

 

[zoiDman]

You have to use discretion and just plain common sense. ...

Oh Great, we’re All Doomed!

It kinda pisses me off when I hear members saying that they vaped in a Supermarket or a Hospital and “got away with it”. Kinda childess if you ask me.

Last I checked, just about everyone from the PTA to the Federal Government is chomping at the bit to at least regulate e-Cig. Many want All out bans. They all may have slightly different reasons for their pursuits but the end result is the same.

As an ex-smoker of 30 years, I never seemed to have a problem going 20 minutes without an analog while inside a supermarket. Why should it be different with an e-Cig? If the sign says “No Smoking”, no big deal. I would walk over to the parking lot or where ever and have a smoke. Isn’t that what a respectful vaper will do? Of course it is.

Unfortunately, if we have to rely on common sense to stop people from vaping in non-smoking sections, there is always going to be a small minority of pin heads that screw it up for everyone. Just like one low life vendor selling e-Cigs to minors.

That is what I see is going to happen. The few will screw it up for the many.

 

[malyden]

Maybe we should print up some of these door decals http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/63314-door-decal-vaping-2.html#post1370094, ask the manager if it's ok to vape and then give them a decal to put up Also CASAA is going to have business cards that can be past out which may help http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/90938-ecf-casaa-business-cards.html#post1387318

 

[Chris Brown]

stealth vape where ever you want but be stealthy...

vape freely where smokers smoke...

vape freely outdoors...

vape freely where it's vape friendly...