We Missed a Critical Change - Or at least I did!

[Tommy-Chi]

Anyone else have their vape liquid discontinued yet and offered only in a salt?

I went to order some Charlie Noble Pistachio RY4(std nic, not synthetic, 12mg) the other day. I have been trying to order this for well over a month. No dice, it always shows sold out. Impossible?

So I took a look at the complete list of Tobaccos and lo and behold they had a low wattage salt of the same name. The 2 liquids(20mg AND 50mg) liquid will not work in my dripper. So I guess they decided to drop the juice I was looking for and move to salts that are used by pod systems.

Then I looked at DJLsbVapes videos and more than 51% of his videos are of pod systems. They are calling the newer more advanced pod systems rebuildable, they are not rebuildable, but you can change the manufacturers coil head out in some of them, to a lower or higher ohm coil.

I had to get up to speed, it seems the market is changing rapidly.

So I watched a few videos and will probably order a pod system tomorrow. I ordered 2 - 20mg/ml of the RY4 from Charlie Noble.


Am I the only one shell shocked here? To me it seems like a scam to get rid of the older systems with replaceable units that they can make more money with.


I am sitting on 2 gallons of 100mg/ml of nic, but I only have 7 box mods. I had better try to free up some cash in 2023 and buy a dozen more box mods. I have plenty of wire atomizers/drip tops, screws...but will they quit making the 18650 batteries? All of the pod systems have rechargeable batteries built into the systems, they are not replaceable. Maybe after investing in the pods, I need to buy some salt nicotine for long term storage too.

 

[Javichu]

Anyone else have their vape liquid discontinued yet and offered only in a salt?

I went to order some Charlie Noble Pistachio RY4(std nic, not synthetic, 12mg) the other day. I have been trying to order this for well over a month. No dice, it always shows sold out. Impossible?

So I took a look at the complete list of Tobaccos and lo and behold they had a low wattage salt of the same name. The 2 liquids(20mg AND 50mg) liquid will not work in my dripper. So I guess they decided to drop the juice I was looking for and move to salts that are used by pod systems.

Then I looked at DJLsbVapes videos and more than 51% of his videos are of pod systems. They are calling the newer more advanced pod systems rebuildable, they are not rebuildable, but you can change the manufacturers coil head out in some of them, to a lower or higher ohm coil.

I had to get up to speed, it seems the market is changing rapidly.

So I watched a few videos and will probably order a pod system tomorrow. I ordered 2 - 20mg/ml of the RY4 from Charlie Noble.


Am I the only one shell shocked here? To me it seems like a scam to get rid of the older systems with replaceable units that they can make more money with.


I am sitting on 2 gallons of 100mg/ml of nic, but I only have 7 box mods. I had better try to free up some cash in 2023 and buy a dozen more box mods. I have plenty of wire atomizers/drip tops, screws...but will they quit making the 18650 batteries? All of the pod systems have rechargeable batteries built into the systems, they are not replaceable. Maybe after investing in the pods, I need to buy some salt nicotine for long term storage too.

Well to be honest i don't think its a scam.
Pod like devices just seem to be the new fad these days,as a reviewer here in ECF its been like that for awhile.
Really did get tired of reviewing the same type of device over and over,but this shift in vaping is happening all around.

I have a pretty good relationship with the manager of a vape shop chain here in Spain and we have talked about this topic quite a bit.
They can't keep up with the orders for disposables and pod like devices,just those 2 make up for a lot of their monthly sales,for now it is what it is.

Personally i am not a fan of pod like devices or disposables,i mean for new vapers i can see how disposables could be of some help when it comes to quitting cigarettes but only at the beginning...later on they should move on to better setups.

I don't think you should go full apocalypse mode yet,companies are still making proper mods that use 18650/21700 batteries and new RTA/RDA and Clearomizers are being released pretty often so i wouldn't worry about it.

Can't say what the future will hold for vapers but for now you can rest assured,you will still be able to find proper mods and tanks.

 

[Izan]

Anyone else have their vape liquid discontinued yet and offered only in a salt?

I went to order some Charlie Noble Pistachio RY4(std nic, not synthetic, 12mg) the other day. I have been trying to order this for well over a month. No dice, it always shows sold out. Impossible?

So I took a look at the complete list of Tobaccos and lo and behold they had a low wattage salt of the same name. The 2 liquids(20mg AND 50mg) liquid will not work in my dripper. So I guess they decided to drop the juice I was looking for and move to salts that are used by pod systems.

Then I looked at DJLsbVapes videos and more than 51% of his videos are of pod systems. They are calling the newer more advanced pod systems rebuildable, they are not rebuildable, but you can change the manufacturers coil head out in some of them, to a lower or higher ohm coil.

I had to get up to speed, it seems the market is changing rapidly.

So I watched a few videos and will probably order a pod system tomorrow. I ordered 2 - 20mg/ml of the RY4 from Charlie Noble.


Am I the only one shell shocked here? To me it seems like a scam to get rid of the older systems with replaceable units that they can make more money with.


I am sitting on 2 gallons of 100mg/ml of nic, but I only have 7 box mods. I had better try to free up some cash in 2023 and buy a dozen more box mods. I have plenty of wire atomizers/drip tops, screws...but will they quit making the 18650 batteries? All of the pod systems have rechargeable batteries built into the systems, they are not replaceable. Maybe after investing in the pods, I need to buy some salt nicotine for long term storage too.

Welcome back!
IMO, you won't notice much difference between the 12mg/ml freebase and the 20ml/ml salt nic, except for the lack of TH from the latter.

When using low power pod devices, I regularly mix at 25mg/ml freebase. When trying disposables, even the 50mg/ml salt is very tolerable unless it is chain vaped.
I much prefer the freebase experience, but in the end, nicotine is nicotine and my monkey is indifferent.

However,
The US vape industry is in HEAVY flux.
FDA enforcement is currently fairly relaxed. That will change,
China vendors are changing also.

Moving forward with a plan that brings you comfort and security and/or scratches the "gotta buy something" itch is the way to go.

Cheers
I

 

[zoiDman]

Anyone else have their vape liquid discontinued yet and offered only in a salt?

I went to order some Charlie Noble Pistachio RY4(std nic, not synthetic, 12mg) the other day. I have been trying to order this for well over a month. No dice, it always shows sold out. Impossible?

So I took a look at the complete list of Tobaccos and lo and behold they had a low wattage salt of the same name. The 2 liquids(20mg AND 50mg) liquid will not work in my dripper. So I guess they decided to drop the juice I was looking for and move to salts that are used by pod systems.

Then I looked at DJLsbVapes videos and more than 51% of his videos are of pod systems. They are calling the newer more advanced pod systems rebuildable, they are not rebuildable, but you can change the manufacturers coil head out in some of them, to a lower or higher ohm coil.

I had to get up to speed, it seems the market is changing rapidly.

So I watched a few videos and will probably order a pod system tomorrow. I ordered 2 - 20mg/ml of the RY4 from Charlie Noble.


Am I the only one shell shocked here? To me it seems like a scam to get rid of the older systems with replaceable units that they can make more money with.


I am sitting on 2 gallons of 100mg/ml of nic, but I only have 7 box mods. I had better try to free up some cash in 2023 and buy a dozen more box mods. I have plenty of wire atomizers/drip tops, screws...but will they quit making the 18650 batteries? All of the pod systems have rechargeable batteries built into the systems, they are not replaceable. Maybe after investing in the pods, I need to buy some salt nicotine for long term storage too.

Don't you Remember when everything shifted to Dual Coils? The Wilder, Crazier, more Wires the Better.
So naturally everything had to shifted to Dual Batteries in Mods to feed those Amp Hungry Coils.
Then Mod Makers all jumped on the Squonk Train. And RDA's made a Roaring Come Back.
And with the Surge in RDA's, Mechs made a Small Resurgence. Only to get Squashed by the Next "Game Changer".
21700 Battery Mods was that next thing. And you couldn't go from the Cab to the Curb (Let Alone the Post Office!) unless you had a 21700 Mod with Tons of mAh.

Then Came the AIO's. And that is when the Market Truly Changed.
Because AIO's gave Evolutionary Rise to the Pod-Mod.

Now OEM's had a way to of achieving a somewhat Steady Revenue Stream. Finally something that OEM's could make Popular thru Glitz and Hype that kept a Hook in Users Throats while a Hand in their Wallets. I Mean what good is getting someone Off an Addiction to buying something only to have them take up Coil Building which makes them Self Sufficient?

LOL

I wouldn't call the whole Pod-Mod thing a Scam. More Preying on the Weakness that Lots/Most people Like New Things. Especially Gadget People. And Especially New Gadgets. Couple that with Lots of People saying how Great Pod-Mod are. When usually the Aren't. Or how well the Work. When usually Don't when compared to a Decent RTA.

But they are Small and Sexy. And when they Don't Work you just Buy another one. Or when the Coil taste Burnt, or it Leaks "all down the front of my favorite satin shirt" you Fix it by Buying Another One.

In Fact, that is how you do Everything with a Pod-Mod. You just Buy More. And for an OEM, can you think of a Better Business Model?

 

[Oregon Linda]

This is exactly why so many of us stocked up like crazy on mods, rebuildables, and nicotine to make our own ejuice. The way things are changing, you can't depend on being able to buy what you really like in the future.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

This is exactly why so many of us stocked up like crazy on mods, rebuildables, and nicotine to make our own ejuice. The way things are changing, you can't depend on being able to buy what you really like in the future.

Had this Mad Max scenario playing in my head where I'd have to meet with a shady character in a trench coat in a dark alley to buy a box mod. I think it's coming.

I'll buy another dozen box mods ASAP.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Don't you Remember when everything shifted to Dual Coils? The Wilder, Crazier, more Wires the Better.
So naturally everything had to shifted to Dual Batteries in Mods to feed those Amp Hungry Coils.
Then Mod Makers all jumped on the Squonk Train. And RDA's made a Roaring Come Back.
And with the Surge in RDA's, Mechs made a Small Resurgence. Only to get Squashed by the Next "Game Changer".
21700 Battery Mods was that next thing. And you couldn't go from the Cab to the Curb (Let Alone the Post Office!) unless you had a 21700 Mod with Tons of mAh.

Then Came the AIO's. And that is when the Market Truly Changed.
Because AIO's gave Evolutionary Rise to the Pod-Mod.

Now OEM's had a way to of achieving a somewhat Steady Revenue Stream. Finally something that OEM's could make Popular thru Glitz and Hype that kept a Hook in Users Throats while a Hand in their Wallets. I Mean what good is getting someone Off an Addiction to buying something only to have them take up Coil Building which makes them Self Sufficient?

LOL

I wouldn't call the whole Pod-Mod thing a Scam. More Preying on the Weakness that Lots/Most people Like New Things. Especially Gadget People. And Especially New Gadgets. Couple that with Lots of People saying how Great Pod-Mod are. When usually the Aren't. Or how well the Work. When usually Don't when compared to a Decent RTA.

But they are Small and Sexy. And when they Don't Work you just Buy another one. Or when the Coil taste Burnt, or it Leaks "all down the front of my favorite satin shirt" you Fix it by Buying Another One.

In Fact, that is how you do Everything with a Pod-Mod. You just Buy More. And for an OEM, can you think of a Better Business Model?

You're right. It's the business model of repeat business they are trying to change. It looks like they are trying to move the entire market over to pods for the constant revenue stream.

I'll buy a handful so that I can vape the missing juices and maybe try some new ones out.

 

[Letitia]

Anyone else have their vape liquid discontinued yet and offered only in a salt?

I went to order some Charlie Noble Pistachio RY4(std nic, not synthetic, 12mg) the other day. I have been trying to order this for well over a month. No dice, it always shows sold out. Impossible?

So I took a look at the complete list of Tobaccos and lo and behold they had a low wattage salt of the same name. The 2 liquids(20mg AND 50mg) liquid will not work in my dripper. So I guess they decided to drop the juice I was looking for and move to salts that are used by pod systems.

Then I looked at DJLsbVapes videos and more than 51% of his videos are of pod systems. They are calling the newer more advanced pod systems rebuildable, they are not rebuildable, but you can change the manufacturers coil head out in some of them, to a lower or higher ohm coil.

I had to get up to speed, it seems the market is changing rapidly.

So I watched a few videos and will probably order a pod system tomorrow. I ordered 2 - 20mg/ml of the RY4 from Charlie Noble.


Am I the only one shell shocked here? To me it seems like a scam to get rid of the older systems with replaceable units that they can make more money with.


I am sitting on 2 gallons of 100mg/ml of nic, but I only have 7 box mods. I had better try to free up some cash in 2023 and buy a dozen more box mods. I have plenty of wire atomizers/drip tops, screws...but will they quit making the 18650 batteries? All of the pod systems have rechargeable batteries built into the systems, they are not replaceable. Maybe after investing in the pods, I need to buy some salt nicotine for long term storage too.

ELR has some good recipes for CN pistachio ry4. Unless you are wanting to reduce th there is no reason to order salts, literally a 1:1 ratio as far as strength.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

ELR has some good recipes for CN pistachio ry4. Unless you are wanting to reduce th there is no reason to order salts, literally a 1:1 ratio as far as strength.

I'll have to see if I can make it. I usually vape straight VG and Nic when I mix something up. I've dabbled with flavors around a dozen times but it never comes close to store bought. Probably because I haven't used sweetener yet.

 

[Letitia]

I'll have to see if I can make it. I usually vape straight VG and Nic when I mix something up. I've dabbled with flavors around a dozen times but it never comes close to store bought. Probably because I haven't used sweetener yet.

When switching to diy sweetener is quite necessary actually ; you need to give your taste buds time to adjust from commercial juices. I've been diying about 4-5 years now and only use 1-3 drops sweetener per 30ml now compared to the 1% I used at first.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

When switching to diy sweetener is quite necessary actually ; you need to give your taste buds time to adjust from commercial juices. I've been diying about 4-5 years now and only use 1-3 drops sweetener per 30ml now compared to the 1% I used at first.

Can I use my regular nicotine(Nude Nicotine) to mix up a batch for a pod system? Or do I have to buy another type of nicotine?

I'll sweeten it up and give it the ole college try! It's time that I dusted everything off and get back to mixing.

 

[Letitia]

Here is well liked recipe (all %)
Charlie Nobles PistachioRY4 clone by Snoopkilla
FA meringue 1.0
TPA pistachio 3.0
TPA ry4 double 5.0
FA soho 4.0
sweeten to taste
The ry4 & meringue are a bit sweet so taste at two weeks before tweaking the sweet level.

 

[Letitia]

Can I use my regular nicotine(Nude Nicotine) to mix up a batch for a pod system? Or do I have to buy another type of nicotine?

I'll sweeten it up and give it the ole college try! It's time that I dusted everything off and get back to mixing.

The only reason you might want to mix higher mg is if the pod is a tighter draw than your normal, otherwise there is no reason to change from your preferred strength. No need to not use your NN.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Here is well liked recipe (all %)
Charlie Nobles PistachioRY4 clone by Snoopkilla
FA meringue 1.0
TPA pistachio 3.0
TPA ry4 double 5.0
FA soho 4.0
sweeten to taste
The ry4 & meringue are a bit sweet so taste at two weeks before tweaking the sweet level.

The only reason you might want to mix higher mg is if the pod is a tighter draw than your normal, otherwise there is no reason to change from your preferred strength. No need to not use your NN.

You have been very helpful. I appreciate your time and I'll order a fresh batch of flavors and sweetener around the 3rd of next month. I use a scale and mix by weight so I've got that down.

 

[zoiDman]

Can I use my regular nicotine(Nude Nicotine) to mix up a batch for a pod system? Or do I have to buy another type of nicotine?

I'll sweeten it up and give it the ole college try! It's time that I dusted everything off and get back to mixing.

The Nicotine that you have is Fine for Pod Systems. I would consider some Allowances though.

As Letitia mentioned, you might consider Up-ing the Nicotine mg's a tad. And since Pods tend to wick more poorly that a RTA, you might lean towards More PG and Less VG. Or dilute with H2O. Super High VG e-Liquids in Pods is usually a one way ride on the L to Dryhitsville.

But before I did any special Mixing, I would just try what you have Recipe-wise and see how a Pod-Mod does with it. Who knows? It might be Fine as is. So No Changes needed.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

The Nicotine that you have is Fine for Pod Systems. I would consider some Allowances though.

As Letitia mentioned, you might consider Up-ing the Nicotine mg's a tad. And since Pods tend to wick more poorly that a RTA, you might lean towards More PG and Less VG. Or dilute with H2O. Super High VG e-Liquids in Pods is usually a one way ride on the L to Dryhitsville.

But before I did any special Mixing, I would just try what you have Recipe-wise and see how a Pod-Mod does with it. Who knows? It might be Fine as is. So No Changes needed.

I'll have to order the flavors, PG and VG. I am sure what I have is at least a year old. Out with the Old - In with the New!

 

[Tommy-Chi]

From "Element Vape" just bought
* 2 - Vaporesso Luxe XR, Black, now with replaceable GTX coil heads.
* 2 Sets - Vaporesso LUXE XR Replacement Pods, 5mL RDL Pods
* 4 Sets - Vaporesso GTX Replacement Coils, 0.2ohm GTX Mesh Coils


Vaporesso Luxe XR Review

Vaporesso Luxe XR now with replaceable GTX coil heads

Vaporesso Luxe XR now with replaceable GTX coil heads

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Time to double down for the long haul

 

[tj99959]

We are actually part of the problem. Look at what we do and how the industry reacts.
Every device that I use is now over 10 years old, and will last another 10 years.
Been DIY my own juice for about 10 years.
Wrap my own coils.
So how is the industry making a living of people like me.
They have the need to develop systems that eliminate people like me.
So here come the disposables. Pretty soon there will be no other choice.
But, rest assured, the market will always do what it needs to survive.
And is most profitable.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

We are actually part of the problem. Look at what we do and how the industry reacts.
Every device that I use is now over 10 years old, and will last another 10 years.
Been DIY my own juice for about 10 years.
Wrap my own coils.
So how is the industry making a living of people like me.
They have the need to develop systems that eliminate people like me.
So here come the disposables. Pretty soon there will be no other choice.
But, rest assured, the market will always do what it needs to survive.
And is most profitable.

They manage to get their money out of me.

I have a couple of very basic unregulated box mods that I bought moons ago to act as templates for new box mods in case this very thing happened. I also have instructions on what I need, but getting parts may be an issue in the future.

I wear my mods out. I suppose it is a matter with a leaky "topper" or atomizer from Twisted Messes that I have and then the juice eventually kills the box mod. They last around 6 to 18 months around here. I try to remember to only place 7 drops in but sometimes if I am not paying attention the liquid flows out and down to the box mod...and over the months the liquid gets into the electronics.

I buy shockproof and waterproof mods, but they still fail.

In 2023, I'll stock up on mods again, new style and old school style. Paying down debts and then I can sling some cash at this issue.

 

[DavidOck]

I'll have to order the flavors, PG and VG. I am sure what I have is at least a year old. Out with the Old - In with the New!

NO reason to toss them, all will last well over a year

Most commercial juices are really heavy on flavor, 20% or more. Most diy recipes are a lot lower, but you can make them as saturated as you want

As said, it may take some time for the taste buds to recover, but in general, the lower the % flavor, the less gunk. (Some flavors will gunk at low percents.) So coils last longer.

Sweetener... many flavors really don't need additional sweetness, but for those that do I use erithritol, acts like any other sweetener at the same dose, but seems to gunk less.