We need liquid testing

[Tugger]

I know the FDA's motives and conclusions are still being sorted out by people. I for one was concerned that any carcinogens or contaminants were found, despite the fact that I don't fully understand the ramifications, if any. We need to start dealing with the fact that there is no watchdog to ensure the quality of what we're putting into our bodies.

I think the distributors should all send samples of their liquids to a single lab that can analyze the contents for levels of TSNAs, PEG, etc, etc. Then they should post the results on their website and I for one will be willing to pay the extra expense involved. If everyone goes to the same place, with the same testing protocol, we can have consistent, trustworthy quality of product. The ECA should really be advocating this to protect us in parallel with fighting the good fight against propaganda.

All my justifications to myself about why these are safer than analogs is based on trusting that I know what is in the liquid. Without that, I'm not sure these justifications are valid.

 

[TomCat1116]

I totally agree with this. We can't use e-cigarettes the way we have and not expect bad things to start happening to some people if there is no watchdog out there. Can't blame the FDA for doing their job - that is what they're doing after all regardless of what the conspiracy theorists believe the motive is for them to do so.

 

[wv2win]

I have no doubt what so ever that this is 100% safer than smoking. However, I think your suggestion is a good one. Either a group of suppliers or the ECF should do this testing. If that raised the cost of the liquid, I would have no problem with that. Maybe an ECF (Goodhouse Keeping) type seal of approval.

 

[TomCat1116]

I have no doubt what so ever that this is 100% safer than smoking.

This is unfortunately exactly the type of thinking which has allowed the e-cigarette to get this far without having been reasonably tested... I mean, how does one get to having no doubt about this and believing that it's 100% safer? I wouldn't even be able to convince myself that it was 100% safer even with good thorough but still short term testing. Ever thought about things like possibility of emissions coming from the materials that make up the actual e-cigarette as opposed to just the liquid even? Take a puff on one with an empty/never filled cartridge (occasionally an cart manufacturer will miss filling one) and tell me if you tasted anything. Where do you think that taste comes from?

 

[TomCat1116]

Sorry I have a habit of hitting the submit button when I'm not really done...

We need more than just liquid testing - we need testing of the devices as a whole - with and without the liquid inside.

 

[wv2win]

This is unfortunately exactly the type of thinking which has allowed the e-cigarette to get this far without having been reasonably tested... I mean, how does one get to having no doubt about this and believing that it's 100% safer? I wouldn't even be able to convince myself that it was 100% safer even with good thorough but still short term testing. Ever thought about things like possibility of emissions coming from the materials that make up the actual e-cigarette as opposed to just the liquid even? Take a puff on one with an empty/never filled cartridge (occasionally an cart manufacturer will miss filling one) and tell me if you tasted anything. Where do you think that taste comes from?

Common sense alone tells me it's 100% saf-ER than smoking. I didn't say it was 100% safe. 4000 chemicals in cigarettes and 40 of them known to be carenigenic. The studies that have been done on the juice so far have shown that the juice has nothing like the chemicals that are in a cigarette.

And since YOUR common sense tells you that you cannot be sure if vaping is safer than smoking, then you might want to consider not vaping.

 

[Applejackson]

Sorry I have a habit of hitting the submit button when I'm not really done...

We need more than just liquid testing - we need testing of the devices as a whole - with and without the liquid inside.

That's why there's an "edit" button.

 

[C6Silver]

I am also wondering about the wicking material used. What we inhale isn't just the product of the juice, but also of the wicking material that is soaking in the juice and in contact with the atomizer.

 

[Tugger]

one step at a time...

and besides, I don't think any atomizer except the KR808d-1 burns the cart material.

 

[KevinG]

We personally are already working on testing our cartridges at an independent lab here in the US.

 

[framitz]

Sorry I have a habit of hitting the submit button when I'm not really done...

We need more than just liquid testing - we need testing of the devices as a whole - with and without the liquid inside.

If you are that afraid, then go back to analogs. You know they'll likely kill ya eventually, eliminate the doubt.

Sorry, I'm not into FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). I'm sure the FDA and big tobacco love it though.

 

[GrimmGreen]

i agree with you wv2win , we KNOW that analog cigarettes have 4,000 chemicals in them , and even if the liquid we are vaping has 100 or 200 chemicals in them (which i highly doubt) that is still MUCH MUCH safer than traditional cigarettes

 

[Tori]

I too agree there needs to be standards set and testing done.

I also agree 100% that vaping IS saf-ER than smoking, period.

I know that since I have stopped smoking I have noticed so many good changes in myself... from the way I feel to the way I look so yea, can't be all bad.

I'm not naive, I'm sure there is something in my juice I don't want in there but I know it's not as bad as all the crap that was in my marlboros making me feel sick and old so I'm sticking with vaping and hoping for the best...

positivity really does make ya feel better in general


~Serial vaping in Texas

 

[TomCat1116]

Common sense alone tells me it's 100% saf-ER than smoking. I didn't say it was 100% safe. 4000 chemicals in cigarettes and 40 of them known to be carenigenic. The studies that have been done on the juice so far have shown that the juice has nothing like the chemicals that are in a cigarette.

And since YOUR common sense tells you that you cannot be sure if vaping is safer than smoking, then you might want to consider not vaping.

My UNcommon sense tells me that just because cigarettes have MORE carcinogenic chemicals than e-cigarettes doesn't legitimize a conclusion that e-cigarettes are safer. See, the problem with common sense is that it rarely can be used to distinguish truth from opinion. Chemistry is a tricky thing. You can have something which is completely safe become completely dangerous by taking something away from it or changing the way that you use it. The bottom line is that you, myself, nor anybody else KNOWS that e-cigarettes are safer than traditional cigarettes - they're all just taking their best guesses at this point. There was a time when folks thought that it was a good idea to fireproof buildings using asbestos when they were taking their best guess at that point. Boy were they wrong too. This is something that you're breathing into your lungs. I'm sure that most of us on this forum are not 13 years old and lacking common sense anymore. Do you really want to play with the devil that you don't know? Let the studies begin and then let's see.

 

[TomCat1116]

i agree with you wv2win , we KNOW that analog cigarettes have 4,000 chemicals in them , and even if the liquid we are vaping has 100 or 200 chemicals in them (which i highly doubt) that is still MUCH MUCH safer than traditional cigarettes

It only takes 1 to outweigh the effects of 4000

 

[DC2]

Let the studies begin and then let's see.

I can't imagine ANYONE disagreeing with the idea of doing the studies.
Just don't take away my ability to vape in the meantime.

The thought of going back to death sticks makes me wanna puke.

 

[DC2]

It only takes 1 to outweigh the effects of 4000

So far all they found were a couple, most of which are also in other smoking cessation products, and all of which are also found in cigarettes and in much higher concentrations.

The recent findings only make me feel better about what I'm inhaling now.
The way it was presented in the media is what should really piss us all off though.

 

[OutWest]

So far all they found were a couple, most of which are also in other smoking cessation products, and all of which are also found in cigarettes and in much higher concentrations.

The recent findings only make me feel better about what I'm inhaling now.
The way it was presented in the media is what should really piss us all off though.

agree completely. They totally ignored the fact that nicorette gum and most other NRTs have the exact same carcinogens. And instead, presented it as though ecigs are at least as, if nor more so, toxic than cigarettes. Infuriating, to say the least.

 

[TomCat1116]

So far all they found were a couple, most of which are also in other smoking cessation products, and all of which are also found in cigarettes and in much higher concentrations.

The recent findings only make me feel better about what I'm inhaling now.
The way it was presented in the media is what should really piss us all off though.

We're all still rolling the dice here since there obviously are some risks and they're not being controlled. Do you think the poor guy who has been vaping '555' liquid since it came out is feeling saf-ER? I wouldn't be. I've seen people more picky about avoiding a restaurant just because they find a dirty fork on their table. No harm could come from having a similar mentality here. The first e-cigarette company that can provide certifiable proof that their product is safer than cigarettes and some sort of a measure by how much safer it is will be worthy of our business. Until then, these 'opinions' disguised as 'fact' that are being used in the advertising of these products makes most of the e-cigarette companies no better than big tobacco. THIS is what ticks me off:

Quote from the blu site (see FAQ page) : What makes blu better than other electronic cigarettes? blu is the best electronic cigarette in the market, not only because of its unique flavors, but also because of our industry-exclusive pack. The pack charges your batteries on the go and allows you to carry around 5 cartridges together with two batteries in a high-quality plastic case that is similar to a normal cigarette pack in size. Additionally, our patented cartridge produces more smoke than other electronic cigarettes and provides a more authentic experience that feels and looks like traditional smoking - without the tar and carcinogens.

 

[need_2quit]

i think it's called denial when ppl want to trade one bad habit for another and convince themselves that it is 100% safer.

ever tap an ecig on your chin when it's leaking? it will dry to a nice little piece of what looks, feels, and pulls off like elmers glue.

i vape to the back of my throat and no deeper. don't want this crap going in my lungs.

Until suppliers want to stand behind the safety of their products, it's all just smoke and mirrors. Many choose to believe otherwise, and that's their choice.

is it safer than analogs? probably. long term? I doubt it.

the argument that food stuffs use pg is idiotic. products that were made to be digested by the stomach are not necessarily safe for heating, smoking, etc.

have to watch the hysteria on here and come to your own conclusions. many want to convince themselves they can vape at all costs with no ramifications. don't fall into the hype and do your own research is about all I can recommend.