We should all change the verbiage on nic levels of e-liquids

[FRANKSTER]

I have deleted this entire thread because I have come to the realization that most people on ecf seem to frown upon anything that is negative to the vaping world.

I will be continuing to start threads on anything I would like to share with this forum...I will try to be less rude and refrain from using the word "sucks", I know it is frowned upon at it comes off as rude and offensive. I have other words that will basically give out the same message.

I think I will do juice reviews mainly and I will tell you what I feel right up front.

I will be around.

I am sorry though that I deleted this op and I apologize to anyone who thinks it might have been wrong. To them I am sorry.

 

[swedishfish]

If you don't like someone's post, don't comment.

 

[swedishfish]

Frankster, I don't think anyone should get involved with DIY unless they really know what they're doing. Read everything you can, ask a thousand questions if you have to in the DIY section. People will point you in the right direction. Until you're confident that you know what you're doing 1000%, just buy juice from a juice vendor.

Or, buy your base premixed, and just add flavoring. I think it's sort of scarey to me when new people that don't even know how to fill a cartomizer, start buying DIY equipment. It's just like starting to vape, you won't be saving money in the beginning, because you're buying tons of flavoring only to try them and hate them.

 

[SaltyPirate]

Before regulations of the industry start, we have to rely on the fact that people are operating a business when selling us things. It is not to their benefit to have problems like the be incident to happen because when we find out we will stop buying from them. I hope that this case has been a wake up call for vendors to have stricter variance checks on their juice.

I think that's what you're talking about, it was kind of hard to read your comment.

 

[pyro13g]

I only have one thing to say about nicotine base. Everyone I've considered purchasing it from in toxic levels makes it perfectly clear that you may DIE if you some in contact with it, and before purchasing, and in the checkout process. And, when you do buy it, it has a big, hard to miss warning on the container. Some even on the shipping label in case it leaks in transit so those trying to get it to you also don't risk death. Remember, it's buyer beware. question, how many of us have Drs that are that vigilant about explaining the risks of what they prescribe to you? Personally, the pharmacist does that after they all have my money in hand.

 

[Dougiestyle]

Frankie, buddy! The liquid I use is 18mg/mL. It means exactly that. For every milliliter of liquid, there are 18 milligrams of nicotine. That's 1.8% by volume. Some vendors DO label their nicquids with content by volume AND mg/mL!

Slow your roll and know your role, mang. Don't try to come into a crowd of people as a newbie and try telling every experienced one how you, the newbire, think things should operate. What if a new employee at Burger King said, "Hey everybody, start frying the burgers instead of flame-broiling them, so everyone's not confused." Think that'd fly? Prolly not.

 

[FRANKSTER]

Frankie, buddy! The liquid I use is 18mg/mL. It means exactly that. For every milliliter of liquid, there are 18 milligrams of nicotine. That's 1.8% by volume. Some vendors DO label their nicquids with content by volume AND mg/mL!

Slow your roll and know your role, mang. Don't try to come into a crowd of people as a newbie and try telling every experienced one how you, the newbire, think things should operate. What if a new employee at Burger King said, "Hey everybody, start frying the burgers instead of flame-broiling them, so everyone's not confused." Think that'd fly? Prolly not.

you are the best.

 

[swedishfish]

It's probably true that the average person doesn't know 18 ml, is 1.8% by volume, that's true. And if they did learn it in HS chemistry, they've probably forgotten it by now. But most people that attempt DIY have familiarized themselves with volumes and ratios and things like that. Or they should to stay safe.

Like I said, buy the premixed base and just fool around with flavorings to start. There's no reason to start out buying 100 mg of nicotine. Start closer to the level you vape until you're comfortable with DIY.

Put it this way, I could save a bucketload of money if I don't hire an electrician and try to rewire my house myself. But I'd probably electrocute myself. Doesn't mean I'm stupid. My electrical skills aren't what they should be to attempt something like that.

 

[pyro13g]

i just pulled my 100mg/ml that I just received a few days ago out of it's locked storage place.

Only one line of the label is not important information about what's inside the bottle. That line is the vendor's name. The label is 3 inches tall on a 4 inch tall bottle.

And I'll be the bad guy. Nic base needs to be regulated, not necessarily by gov't. We can get PG and VG that meets standards for the use in food and it causes us no distress. No reason for there not to be the same for Nicotine base, a hazardous, toxic, and addictive substance. And, what we will see, is it only being available to the consumer in a relatively safe concentration or gosh forbid Rx. And, you can count on it being Rx or not at all in the near future. The recent screw-up with Nic base surely has the attention of regulating bodies. That screw up may definitely be the beginning of a nearly instant ban and lack of access to Nic base by all of us. BT just got the smoking gun they need.

The other part of the problem is a smoker makes assumptions moving from tobacco to flavored PG/VG with Nicotine. They assume everything is on a relative level like their analogs. The analogs are pretty safe to handle. You can break them apart and roll them in your hands, you can handle them all you want bare handed, you can can chew it if you want, and you no longer have to put them out on your own.

The end is near, every day from here on out is a bonus.

 

[dankie]

i just pulled my 100mg/ml that I just received a few days ago out of it's locked storage place.

Only one line of the label is not important information about what's inside the bottle. That line is the vendor's name. The label is 3 inches tall on a 4 inch tall bottle.

Sounds like the industry is self regulating, and of course there is the old adage "Buyer beware" of course with the general dumbing down of America I can understand the OP's confusion.

 

[Dougiestyle]

I am, in fact, a genius, so I apologize if I over-estimate others' comprehension of simple measurements. I have never wired a house, but I am willing to. In order to do so, I would, first, arm myself with the knowledge of the process involved to complete the task safely.

Your original post said, basically, the industry should re-label quantity of nicotine differently. The industry labels the product exactly as it is presented. It's up to us, the consumers to comprehend the measurements and/or ask questions to clarify any misunderstanding prior to putting it in our bodies.

 

[dankie]

DIY should be relabeled DIYAYR Do It Yourself At Your Risk.

 

[pyro13g]

And when you stop to think about it, the OP makes a very good point and paints a very concerning picture of the situation.

Yet, I have pesticides( I believe that's a Nicotine use also) in my garage that my pest control guy would use. And could probably end life as quickly or quicker as a toxic exposure to nicotine You can get most of the same stuff they use, legally, for your own use on your own property.

But, most people associate pesticide with DANGER, be very careful. Many are naturally inclined to wear glove, goggles, cover exposed skin, and take precautions to avoid inhalation.

That association doesn't exist with something like Nicotine base for use in the making of liquids for use in an e-cig. The average joe hears nicotine and they think addictive substance in a cigarette. That's where it ends.

 

[vafromnc]

That's one of the main reasons I come to this forum. To hear about good things, bad things and everything in between as far as vaping goes. My thought in this is, regardless of the attitute, lets watch out for each other and keep vaping alive.

 

[Mooninmyeyes]

There is so much to learn once you start vaping. If you want to start diy maybe start small like cutting down your 24mg, such as i do. I do not like stronger at night espeacially if i have been vaping all day. there alot of calculators out there also. but the main thing i would say is research, research, research. This forum has alot of information and if you want to know something i found if you ask others will be more then happy to help.

and i agree with swedishfish- if you dont like someone's post dont comment, or try to be helpful and kind. Most people on here are. Also concerned that you are vaping safe

 

[My-Life]

Yes as far a DIY is concerned just be very careful and watch what your doing, after about a month into ecigs I started with DIY only for the fact that I wanted to know what was going into my juice, I am the type of person that just does not trust anybody or company not knowing how they make their juice or in what condition or their surroundings.


As one poster stated it's simple measurements and math nothing else, as far the nic just be careful and watch what your doing if not careful can it kill me Yes. I'm getting ready to go get gas for the car in a few minutes will I return alive? Don't know what I am saying just be careful when handling the nic

 

[Mooninmyeyes]

and wear gloves please

 

[Mooninmyeyes]

also hugz to FRANKSTER, most of us are here to help you.

smile

 

[Tersur]

wow sorry i found this post so late and missed everything before it got cleaned up it looked like a hot discussion.

 

[FRANKSTER]

wow sorry i found this post so late and missed everything before it got cleaned up it looked like a hot discussion.

Hello there, I have to take it easy with all my complaints on vaping,