Play to their ego. Remind them that anyone can quit smoking. It takes a man to face cancer.
We still have a long way to go....(Public opinion on the long-term safety of vaping)
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Play to their ego. Remind them that anyone can quit smoking. It takes a man to face cancer.
Unfortunately, the public has been told by the CDC and FDA, over and over again, that vaping is a toxic endeavor.
They believe it.
Simple as that.
I always tell the loud ones to go check out UK Health.
The thing that gets me going is the misquote of the Royal College of Physicians findings that ecigarettes are unlikely to be as much as 5% as dangerous as smoking.
we are guilty of it too.
It's not 95% safer.
It's unlikely to be as much as 5% as dangerous.
If it was 95% safer that would still add up to 1000's of deaths per Year in the UK alone.
Where are these deaths?
Nowhere, that's where.
Down the road, there may turn out to be some toxicity, related to the use of ecigarettes, but for now... um, erm.. not really.
UKH and The RCP are hedging their bets, just in case vaping turns out to be the scourge of the 21st century.
vape up Peeps.
They believe it.
Simple as that.
I always tell the loud ones to go check out UK Health.
The thing that gets me going is the misquote of the Royal College of Physicians findings that ecigarettes are unlikely to be as much as 5% as dangerous as smoking.
we are guilty of it too.
It's not 95% safer.
It's unlikely to be as much as 5% as dangerous.
If it was 95% safer that would still add up to 1000's of deaths per Year in the UK alone.
Where are these deaths?
Nowhere, that's where.
Down the road, there may turn out to be some toxicity, related to the use of ecigarettes, but for now... um, erm.. not really.
UKH and The RCP are hedging their bets, just in case vaping turns out to be the scourge of the 21st century.
vape up Peeps.
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I don't know what's in any other smoker's head, but that certainly wasn't true in my case. I had given up on the the idea that I could ever quit. Vaping was something of an epiphany for me, when on the first whole day I had my starter kit, I only smoked four cigarettes instead of 40+.
I think public opinion will change over time if for no other reason than the lack of smoke stink. Remember, most of "the public" is non-smokers.
There's certainly some truth to that. One of the great things about vaping is that for what a few months worth of smoking used to cost me, I've been able to put that fear completely to rest-- in a freezer. The resulting peace of mind is priceless.
Well, I wouldn't expect a dedicated smoker to want to hear about vaping. I kind of hated it when folks would bring it up (even though I did believe in the harm reduction aspect). What it did make me think of was my early and then dual use failures when it came to vaping. But, I wasn't ready. When I was, it amazed me how much I learned about vaping on ECF, including the good, the bad and the ugly. I'm so glad I kept an open mind this time around. Since every quit is different, I am also happy to be stocked with supplies and nicotine, that the "future" cannot take away from me.
Even if smokers argue heartily at the time, you may be planting a seed, so I see nothing wrong with it. The guy who introduced me to vaping was so consistently positive about it and he had COPD but I could see him improve all the time. I am so glad he continued to reinforce vaping, and that when COPD loomed on the horizon, I could quit before the diagnosis. My lungs have also improved as well. No inhalers, no steroids, no constant abx for seeming incurable pneumonia. As a former smoker, I am grateful (now) for everyone who encouraged me to vape.
Anna
Even if smokers argue heartily at the time, you may be planting a seed, so I see nothing wrong with it. The guy who introduced me to vaping was so consistently positive about it and he had COPD but I could see him improve all the time. I am so glad he continued to reinforce vaping, and that when COPD loomed on the horizon, I could quit before the diagnosis. My lungs have also improved as well. No inhalers, no steroids, no constant abx for seeming incurable pneumonia. As a former smoker, I am grateful (now) for everyone who encouraged me to vape.
Anna
Agree with everything said except that smokers are addicts (vaping too). Vaping is a habit, like coffee, chocolate, beer, etc.
You sound a bit like the smokers.
If I was a drug addict i'd say crack is a drug like caffeine, nicotine, morphine, and alcohol. Shooting myself up is just a different habit, but it's still a habit.
I also consider myself an addict, just as much as I was when smoking. I have simply gone from sticking a needle in my jugular, to something safer.
Any one who thinks vaping is "just a habit" should quit, honestly. I can't state this strongly enough. If it's just a "habit" well, put down the vape and replace it with another habit. Quite frankly, I would stop vaping and my "nicotine" addiction and go back to my far more harmful "Smoking addiction." I understand the idea of habits, and I have many of them. I am quite sure that they would be more easily broken than my need to vape.
Kind of minimizing what vaping is, and what it is about. Saving lives. I think you get to say vaping is a habit.... After you've quit for 2 years and haven't picked up smoking again.
So easy to call it that, but that statement is simply untrue, in my opinion. In fact, it is quite similar to the hand to mouth habit of smoking, but also provides nicotine, one component of a cigarette. It's a habit if you make it I guess..... I look at it as one of the best harm reduction things to come around for smokers.... EVER, so far.
Anna
Any one who thinks vaping is "just a habit" should quit, honestly. I can't state this strongly enough. If it's just a "habit" well, put down the vape and replace it with another habit. Quite frankly, I would stop vaping and my "nicotine" addiction and go back to my far more harmful "Smoking addiction." I understand the idea of habits, and I have many of them. I am quite sure that they would be more easily broken than my need to vape.
Kind of minimizing what vaping is, and what it is about. Saving lives. I think you get to say vaping is a habit.... After you've quit for 2 years and haven't picked up smoking again.
So easy to call it that, but that statement is simply untrue, in my opinion. In fact, it is quite similar to the hand to mouth habit of smoking, but also provides nicotine, one component of a cigarette. It's a habit if you make it I guess..... I look at it as one of the best harm reduction things to come around for smokers.... EVER, so far.
Anna
"It's not a habit, it's cool, I feel alive. If you don't have it, you're on the other side. I'm not an addict, maybe, that's a lie." - K's Choice, "Not an addict".
The differences between a "habit", a "dependence" and an "addiction" aren't really that difficult to discern. Here's how I see them:
To qualify as an "addiction", a habit must be physically harmful or at least disruptive to the user's life. People will continue an addiction despite the negative consequences. Smoking is probably in this category due to its health effects in the long term.
To qualify as a "dependence", a habit must have withdrawal symptoms. Vaping (with nicotine) is probably in this category, right along with the habitual consumption of caffeinated beverages. But a dependence doesn't have the negative consequences of an addiction.
If a habit has neither of the above characteristics, then it's just a habit.
To qualify as an "addiction", a habit must be physically harmful or at least disruptive to the user's life. People will continue an addiction despite the negative consequences. Smoking is probably in this category due to its health effects in the long term.
To qualify as a "dependence", a habit must have withdrawal symptoms. Vaping (with nicotine) is probably in this category, right along with the habitual consumption of caffeinated beverages. But a dependence doesn't have the negative consequences of an addiction.
If a habit has neither of the above characteristics, then it's just a habit.
Call it what you want, I don't leave the room without a vape in hand. I don't worry about it because it isn't a cig. That is enough for me considering I had given up hopes of ever quitting smoking.
Sooooo sorry if I challenged anyone's right to be an addict. I should have paraphrased "personally". I was a cigarette addict, couldn't survive without them for 63 years. After trying every possible cessation product, technique or method, I discovered vaping (and ECF).
I enjoy vaping as well as beer, scotch, coffee, wine, good food and an occasional cigar. But I can 'survive' without any of these. I also enjoy helping smokers find freedom from their 'addiction'. I also enjoy the hobby of DIY and wick&wire.
Again, apologies if I touched any wounds.
I enjoy vaping as well as beer, scotch, coffee, wine, good food and an occasional cigar. But I can 'survive' without any of these. I also enjoy helping smokers find freedom from their 'addiction'. I also enjoy the hobby of DIY and wick&wire.
Again, apologies if I touched any wounds.
I'm exactly the same way. I will freely admit that I'm dependent on nicotine. I turn into an insufferable SOB without it (just ask my wife of 32 years who has never used nicotine in any form). If I know I'm going to have to spend more than an hour someplace where I can't vape, I bring nic gum. But as far as I can tell, this dependence no longer has any negative effect on my health (because I'm vaping rather than smoking) and it never had any negative effect on my ability to earn a living or interact with people to begin with.
I admit to being over sensitive about vaping and smoking. Hopefully it will pass when I have a few more years under my belt. You didn't offend, apologies if I made you feel such.
I'm just now noticing as long as my vape is within reach I can finish a double handed task without interruption. As long as I can reach it...
I get the exact same reaction from some co-workers who smoke. I've noticed that the older generations are less open to change. Usually, people in the 60+ range are already set in their ways, and trying to educate them to something newer is difficult, at best. Remember, they grew up with "9 out of 10 doctors recommend this brand cigarette" era, then found out they were duped. Back before the 70's, computers weren't really used for research, so most research was done on lab animals and observation. Now a days, we have advanced chemical analogy, and can look at what chemicals are inside a substance before it is ingested... cross reference that with known effects of that chemical, and come up with a conclusion.
The one problem here, is that Nicotine has been associated with tobacco for so long, that in many eyes, nicotine is associated with cancer. We know now that's not true, but to the older generation, it's not so hard.. they've been duped once, they're afraid they will be duped again.
There's nothing in vapor that's not in cigarettes: PG, VG, nicotine, flavorings. However, many of those ingredients are unsafe when burned. There is a wider variation of flavorings, but they are almost all food grade.
If they're in the US and smoke manufactured cigarettes, do they realize they've been smoking carpet glue since 2010 or earlier in fire safety cigarettes (FSCs)? (I don't understand how this is allowed by the FDA.)
As to crazy studies and dislike by large organizations, there's the subject of The Money. As to regulations, they are backed by Big Tobacco.
If they're in the US and smoke manufactured cigarettes, do they realize they've been smoking carpet glue since 2010 or earlier in fire safety cigarettes (FSCs)? (I don't understand how this is allowed by the FDA.)
As to crazy studies and dislike by large organizations, there's the subject of The Money. As to regulations, they are backed by Big Tobacco.
I don't have those conversations with smokers. First off, I gag to the point of dry heaves if I'm anywhere around cigarette smoke. I have no idea how I ever did it. Secondly, I have absolutely no idea how smoking effects them. I just know how it effected me. For me vaping was a program of attraction not promotion. Nobody "sold" me on it. I asked them about it. I wanted something different. If someone does start badgering me about vaping I'll say I know it's bad! First week and my balls fell off! That puts a cork in it in a hurry. As far as the media surfers go, if they are stupid enough to listen to the talking heads on the God box selling Coka-Colas, I surely don't want to drag them home with me.
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