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I disagree. Most of the folks I know who actually vote are very passionate about the issues. It's the folks who can't be bothered to vote who are apathetic.

Well, yes that is what it means. Those who are apathetic won't vote. Those who are passionate will. Then you have those that vote for a bus ride and a sammich. When 40% of the states registered voters turns out to vote... there is some apathy, I would think. 40% is 2014 Ohio elections. Arkansas was 35%.
 

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Next time you're in NWAR, go to the "dog shelter" in Fayetteville, AR It it top notch (and I have been in rescue and never seen anything like it). Fully staffed with animal control officers, beautiful facility, GORGEOUS "puppy rooms" with state of the art sanitizing contraptions outside each doorway for you to step on to clean germs off your shoes so as not to bring any parvo or other contaminants into the puppy population. IT is hands down, probably the best animal shelter I have personally ever been to.

I kinda don't like to tell people about AR.....cuz then it will get overcrowded. :)

My niece lives in Fayetteville, just finished law school, she made sure I went to the library when I visited and I love it, we spent a good portion of the day there :) I will have to check out the shelter for sure. I don't blame you for not wanting to share the AR secret I would love to live there myself.
 
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socialism is a natural counter balance to fascism. unfortunately politics is a game of extremes. even the founding fathers were a mix of socialist like Jefferson and those who believed that society existed to serve a few and enslave the masses like Hamilton


Never said I agreed with them. I just do not like Socialism. I see our country is heading that way. Whether it is a balance or not.

BTW.. there are many things I disagree with our founding fathers, slavery would be one. I do agree with one making their own booze though. If you happen to find GW's recipe for moonshine, please send it my way.
 

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Yup.. North Korea doesn't sound too appetizing to me. Still as a democratic country I will voice my displeasure since I won't be shot for it.

You may not be shot for it but just voicing it won't change anything unless you are saying it to the people who have the power to make that change or using it to vote for those who agree with your POV and will do something about it.
 
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“Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.”
Alexis de Tocqueville

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
Alexis de Tocqueville

“Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
Alexis de Tocqueville

“Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”
Alexis de Tocqueville

“When the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education . . . the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint . . . . It is not necessary to do violence to such a people in order to strip them of the rights they enjoy; they themselves willingly loosen their hold. . . . they neglect their chief business which is to remain their own masters.”
Alexis de Tocqueville

“It is indeed difficult to imagine how men who have entirely renounced the habit of managing their own affairs could be successful in choosing those who ought to lead them. It is impossible to believe that a liberal, energetic, and wise government can ever emerge from the ballots of a nation of servants.”
Alexis de Tocqueville

“everybody feels the evil, but no one has courage or energy enough to seek the cure”
Alexis de Tocqueville

“Society is endangered not by the great profligacy of a few, but by the laxity of morals amongst all.”
Alexis de Tocqueville

“Every nation that has ended in tyranny has come to that end by way of good order. It certainly does not follow from this that peoples should scorn public peace, but neither should they be satisfied with that and nothing more. A nation that asks nothing of government but the maintenance of order is already a slave in the depths of its heart; it is a slave of its well-being, ready for the man who will put it in chains.”
Alexis de Tocqueville


Tocqueville was indeed Our Nostradamus...
 

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Oh can't resist one more.....people come from all over the world and say this is one of the nicest farmers markets (in the town square) they have ever been to. the city keeps the flowering plants and the public square in beautiful shape! Actually, all the landscaping is very tastefully done:
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there is also a "water feature" and kids playing on it:
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All this is why people don't complain about taxes, smart communities and the inhabitants know how to have beautiful things in their communities, like the library and farmers markets, etc.

sometimes I read some of the posts about america and am amazed that people don't realize just how good they have it.

This was fun, just dunno why people think AR is some kind of backwater swamp. :) Like most of the flyover states there is certainly a lot of rural area though and you see the same things here in those areas as you would NY, NJ, PA, CA, TX, Louisiana, OH, etc.
 

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Fascist "Nationalism" has absolutely Zero to do with a Federalist (or Democratic for that matter) Government or the workings thereof.
That .......ized Concept (as espoused and waged by Fascists) refers to instilling and enforcing a skewed Idealism on the Collective/Populous and what they Need to Have and to Be in order to enslave and bind the People to and through that warped Theme of Indoctrination.
 
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You may not be shot for it but just voicing it won't change anything unless you are saying it to the people who have the power to make that change or using it to vote for those who agree with your POV and will do something about it.


Which I do. Monthly emails to my house reps and senators. I do not write other states reps... because well I don't matter to them. But I didn't think this was a discussion about what I do.
 
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IF Wally-World ever decides it wants to sell and ship Vape Equipment & e-Liquid,,,,
That Law would go POOF faster than two 1st Cousins can say "I Do" :thumb:

They moved an entire Regional Airport for Walmart.

So yes, here in AR, when Walmart says they want something.......
 

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Gee, it's great to see all these ideas about how to get around such problems.
But wouldn't it be great if people stood up and fought for what's right?

Ah, never mind me.
I'm just being silly now.
Which has been a growing trend here for the last decade or so, sadly. The people can stop it, but for some reason they aren't.
Far from stopping it, they keep on voting for it.
I won't even begin to go into why.

There's lots of reasons though, and most of them suck.
 

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I just learned about this a few days ago, this certainly sucks. I DIY my juice anyway, so I'll be good for quite awhile, but I might have to pick up a liter or two of nicotine (can never be too prepared).

I do find it humorous that this bill is so contradicting in it's wording, it's hard to make head or tails out of it. That's good in a way, though, that might leave some wiggle room for loop-holes, who knows.
 
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We're about this close | | to getting this thread moved to the Outside folks. Open forum is not the place to debate hard politics, or worse. Please keep it on topic (the crazy vaping bill in Arkansas), and stay away from the hardcore stuff.

Thanks! :)

PS: You are welcome to take on a hardcore political debate in the Outside forum....but posters beware. ;)
 
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