Well it finally happened.......

[SissySpike]

WE gotta be diligent and fight the misinformation buy getting the real information out there There are alot of s who come in contact with alot of people.

 

[ronscave]

Yup, happened to me this past week. After a year and a half of vaping A guy finally told me that my e cigs were more dangerous then him smoking analogs....I instantly saw red. ...... me off because I was so mad I could not come up with much of a rebuttal except to say that your cigarettes have more then 6000 chemicals in them. He shot back that because he rolled his own from pipe tobacco, they didn't contain any chemicals....at that point I had to laugh and walk away. Was not an argument that I was going to win. Caught me off guard. Next time I'll be better prepared.

 

[DC2]

Someone that I know in real life actually said they heard that e-cigs are more dangerous than analogs.

Here is what happened... Last night I was at a potluck with friends. I dual use so I was by the bonfire smoking a analog. The one woman came and stood by me. Although she quit many many years ago she aid she still likes the smell of a cigarette.
I said that I could switch to my e-cig if the real one was to tempting for her. At which time she replied that she had read/heard that they were worse for you than real cigs.

She was not nasty or rude about it. She just said it matter of fact like. I told her that is not true at all and that is just propaganda.
She then asked why anyone would say that if it was not true? I then explained that e-cigs cut into the profit of BT and pharm co's.
Once I said that it was like a lightbulb went off in her head.

Hopefully we now have one less person believing the lies.

And THAT is how we do it.

 

[Amraann]

Yup, happened to me this past week. After a year and a half of vaping A guy finally told me that my e cigs were more dangerous then him smoking analogs....I instantly saw red. ...... me off because I was so mad I could not come up with much of a rebuttal except to say that your cigarettes have more then 6000 chemicals in them. He shot back that because he rolled his own from pipe tobacco, they didn't contain any chemicals....at that point I had to laugh and walk away. Was not an argument that I was going to win. Caught me off guard. Next time I'll be better prepared.

Now when a current smoker says it.. In my mind it is something they tell themselves in order to justify not trying to quit. Especially when the comment is unsolicited.

A little OT but I have noticed a huge increase in people who roll their own cigs. I really do not know the difference (chemical wise) in roll your own compared to store bought cigs.
As for using pipe tobacco to roll your own... wouldn't one just use a pipe then?

 

[SissySpike]

Now when a current smoker says it.. In my mind it is something they tell themselves in order to justify not trying to quit. Especially when the comment is unsolicited.

A little OT but I have noticed a huge increase in people who roll their own cigs. I really do not know the difference (chemical wise) in roll your own compared to store bought cigs.
As for using pipe tobacco to roll your own... wouldn't one just use a pipe then?

Pipes are inconvenient they smell you have to carry it around. You just cant light up a pipe for a quick smoke there is a ritual it has to have maintenance the stem cleaned exct.... There is a reason why you see mostly old men smoking pipes it takes patience and time;-)

 

[daviedog]

Never argue with a fool. Onlookers won't be able to distinguish who's who..
Anonymous quote..

 

[BlueCanary]

Now when a current smoker says it.. In my mind it is something they tell themselves in order to justify not trying to quit. Especially when the comment is unsolicited.

I agree. I even used the same argument, back in the day, after my failed attempt at quitting with a Blu. "Who even knows what's in that stuff? Probably worse than smoking cigarettes!" I can even feel a little sympathy for smokers saying it to me, because I know where it comes from…misinformation mixed with an addict justifying their continued use of cigarettes. It annoys me, because usually their "information" that they're so sure about comes from the lowest form of info-tainment news out there, but in a way I get it.

If someone says that to me, I assure them that I've done my research, that the "chemicals" in vaping are for the most part safer than any of the additives that are in cigarettes, and that while I understand that vaping is relatively new and that there might be some unforeseen effects that will show up in the future…I have made an informed personal decision to vape instead of using tobacco because I feel that it is safer and the potential for harm from continued cigarette use outweighs any potential harm that I can foresee from vaping.

If they keep bugging me, I remind them that the FDA has set an acceptable standard for the number of rat turds that can be in our food, and that number is not zero, so maybe their opinion on vaping might be questionable. They usually don't want to talk to me anymore after that.

 

[KattMamma]

People kill me with "chemicals". Almost everything is chemicals. Water is a chemical. It seems like when they want to make something sound terrifying, it's "chemicals" and if they want to convince you something awful is safe it's "ingredients". The only thing more nebulous and designed to evoke a fear reaction than "chemicals" is "toxins" (usually used when someone wants to sell you something expensive and ineffective to rid yourself of them).

And many of the people who are freaked out about "chemicals" in vaping have no problem eating a dorito, or drinking a soda that has "chemicals" in it that are also used in floor varnish...

LOL I remember seeing a video a few yrs ago - guys going around a park asking people to sign a petition against dihydrogen monoxide - and people were signing and saying "yes, something should be done!!" I'm thinking the guys were affiliated with this website Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info (check it out if you haven't seen it - it's a hoot!)

So yeah, just say "it's got chemicals you can't pronounce" and people will start hating on it. Just don't ask them to look at the list of ingredients on any package of food they buy at the grocery store or their head might explode from the hypocrisy.

 

[KattMamma]

Yup, happened to me this past week. After a year and a half of vaping A guy finally told me that my e cigs were more dangerous then him smoking analogs....I instantly saw red. ...... me off because I was so mad I could not come up with much of a rebuttal except to say that your cigarettes have more then 6000 chemicals in them. He shot back that because he rolled his own from pipe tobacco, they didn't contain any chemicals....at that point I had to laugh and walk away. Was not an argument that I was going to win. Caught me off guard. Next time I'll be better prepared.

Depending on which brand/type of pipe tobacco he was using, he may very well have been using a tobacco that is nearly unadulterated with all those chemicals (I did this for quite a few years too)... but he is still inhaling tar and carbon monoxide.

 

[Robino1]

Yup, my idiot step brother Larry. He'd get drunk on those little bottles of airline liquor (he said they made him feel like a giant) and do stupid things. One day he decide he could get the microwave popcorn to pop in less than 10 seconds if he put a couple of M80's in the bag and then put the whole thing in the microwave. He watched through the microwave glass with excitement as the whole thing exploded, slamming the door into his head. Oddly, the door slamming into his head at the speed of sound isn't what killed him. He was standing on his skateboard so he could look through the glass, the door slamming into his head knocked him back and he went down the basement stairs in slow motion like Tom in a Tom and Jerry cartoon. But it wasn't the fall that killed, him. When he landed, he knocked against a 2X4 which fell into an unmounted Vise which fell off the work bench and that landed on his head, which killed him. He was out cold at that time so it was a painless death. And that's how microwave popcorn killed my step brother Larry. To be fair, if the popcorn didn't kill him, something else would have gotten him through natural selection. He was like the idiot wildebeest who thinks he could make friends with the lions.

Haunted, dear, what are we going to do with you?

I do hope you didn't get any of those genes

realized you said "step brother". Thank god.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Haunted, dear, what are we going to do with you?

I do hope you didn't get any of those genes

realized you said "step brother". Thank god.

Nope, I got none of those genes. My side of the family is pretty sane. I did have a great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great uncle name Vlad who was a little nuts. He was some sort of royalty and liked impaling people on sticks as some sort of war deterrent. Grandma always said people exaggerated his brutality and instead should have focused on the fact that without him and his inspiring ways, the corn dog on a stick would never have been invented.

 

[Robino1]

Nope, I got none of those genes. My side of the family is pretty sane. I did have a great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great uncle name Vlad who was a little nuts. He was some sort of royalty and liked impaling people on sticks as some sort of war deterrent. Grandma always said people exaggerated his brutality and instead should have focused on the fact that without him and his inspiring ways, the corn dog on a stick would never have been invented.

You owe me a monitor. Coffee through the nose is not a pleasant experience

 

[DC2]

Haunted, dear, what are we going to do with you?

He has some serious talent.

Not sure exactly what that talent is, or how it can translate into money.
But I hope he is using it for good rather than evil.

 

[DaveP]

When people start telling me my ecig juice has bad stuff in it, I drop the comment that the ingredient that makes the fog is also in their toothpaste, facial cosmetics, their soft drink (as a de-foaming agent), their eyedrops, and the products listed below. Their eyes widen and they shut up. If they recover and start up again, I start in on the medical uses. It's a shock to them that they are rubbing it into their skin on a daily basis and the government says it's perfectly safe..

Fragrance, Cosmetics and Personal Care | Dow Propylene Glycols

Dow's propylene glycols are commonly used in many types of cosmetic formulations such as:

Skin care (creams, moisturizers, cleansers, lotions, sun care products)
Deodorants and antiperspirants (roll-on, stick and gel deodorants)
Hair care (shampoos, conditioners, wave sets, styling gels and coloring products)
Shaving products (creams, foams, gels, and after-shave lotions)
Bath and shower products
Perfumes and colognes
Baby care products (baby wipes)
Hand cleansing and disinfecting gels
Color cosmetics (blushes, eyeliner, lipsticks, eye shadow)
Dental care (mouth washes and toothpastes)

 

[Shotglass]

If they keep bugging me, I remind them that the FDA has set an acceptable standard for the number of rat turds that can be in our food, and that number is not zero, so maybe their opinion on vaping might be questionable. They usually don't want to talk to me anymore after that.

Yup - Maximum allowed "Defects" in 100 grams of corn meal (the approximate amount in your average corn bread recipe) = two or more “whole insects,” 100 or more insect fragments, and either 4 rodent hairs or 2 or more rodent turds

Yummy

 

[EBates]

I just thank god for our precious FDA.

 

[Robino1]

He has some serious talent.

Not sure exactly what that talent is, or how it can translate into money.
But I hope he is using it for good rather than evil.

Making me laugh, when I sometimes feel like taking things and smashing them when I get so mad at some of these so called 'Health' organizations, is good.

I really should gather all his posts and make a book. Unfortunately, the ANTZ would probably take it and use it as an example of what vaping does to peoples minds

Ya know I luv ya Haunted!

 

[DaveP]

I usually refer to this study. Apparently the FDA hasn't exactly done their homework. It must be due to budget restrictions or they'd have done their own 3 year study. I guess budget restrictions don't allow time on the Mass Spectrum Analyzer.

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

An excerpt from the study (link above)

Peering through the mist: What does the chemistry of contaminants in electronic cigarettes tell us about health risks?
Igor Burstyn, PhD
Department of Environmental and Occupational Health School of Public Health Drexel University 1505 Race St., Mail Stop #1034 Philadelphia, PA 19102 USA Tel: 215.762.2909 | Fax: 215.762.8846 igor.burstyn@drexel.edu

Key Conclusions:

 Even when compared to workplace standards for involuntary exposures, and using several conservative (erring on the side of caution) assumptions, the exposures from using e-cigarettes fall well below the threshold for concern for compounds with known toxicity. That is, even ignoring the benefits of e-cigarette use and the fact that the exposure is actively chosen, and even comparing to the levels that are considered unacceptable to people who are not benefiting from the exposure and do not want it, the exposures would not generate concern or call for remedial action.

 Expressed concerns about nicotine only apply to vapers who do not wish to consume it; a voluntary (indeed, intentional) exposure is very different from a contaminant.

 There is no serious concern about the contaminants such as volatile organic compounds (formaldehyde, acrolein, etc.) in the liquid or produced by heating. While these contaminants are present, they have been detected at problematic levels only in a few studies that apparently were based on unrealistic levels of heating.

 The frequently stated concern about contamination of the liquid by a nontrivial quantity of ethylene glycol or diethylene glycol remains based on a single sample of an early technology product (and even this did not rise to the level of health concern) and has not been replicated.

 Tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNA) are present in trace quantities and pose no more (likely much less) threat to health than TSNAs from modern smokeless tobacco products, which cause no measurable risk for cancer.

 Contamination by metals is shown to be at similarly trivial levels that pose no health risk, and the alarmist claims about such contamination are based on unrealistic assumptions about the molecular form of these elements.

 The existing literature tends to overestimate the exposures and exaggerate their implications. This is partially due to rhetoric, but also results from technical features. The most important is confusion of the concentration in aerosol, which on its own tells us little about risk to heath, with the relevant and much smaller total exposure to compounds in the aerosol averaged across all air inhaled in the course of a day. There is also clear bias in previous reports in favor of isolated instances of highest level of chemical detected across multiple studies, such that average exposure that can be calculated are higher than true value because they are “missing” all true zeros.

 Routine monitoring of liquid chemistry is easier and cheaper than assessment of aerosols. Combined with an understanding of how the chemistry of the liquid affects the chemistry of the aerosol and insights into behavior of vapers, this can serve as a useful tool to ensure the safety of e-cigarettes.

 The only unintentional exposures (i.e., not the nicotine) that seem to rise to the level that they are worth further research are the carrier chemicals themselves, propylene glycol and glycerin. This exposure is not known to cause health problems, but the magnitude of the exposure is novel and thus is at the levels for concern based on the lack of reassuring data

 

[BlueCanary]

LOL I remember seeing a video a few yrs ago - guys going around a park asking people to sign a petition against dihydrogen monoxide - and people were signing and saying "yes, something should be done!!" I'm thinking the guys were affiliated with this website Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info (check it out if you haven't seen it - it's a hoot!)

So yeah, just say "it's got chemicals you can't pronounce" and people will start hating on it. Just don't ask them to look at the list of ingredients on any package of food they buy at the grocery store or their head might explode from the hypocrisy.

I remember that. That was great!